Rework the guard game plz!!!

[ricochet90]

The guard game in ea ufc 3 is pretty weak. Submissions attempts should result in position advantages by resulting in sweeps. Right now w it’s so rewarding for the top guy to break your submission attempts in your close guard. Why am I getting slammed on an arm at atempt when I can roll for the leg what is this the wwe?
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This game is a bad representation of jujitsu. In real life the guard is the only place where the bottom guy has the advantage on the ground. Your fishing for submissions but also looking to gain position of of them if they fail. https://instagram.com/p/Bihrov-hPtU/


Look at guys like Suga Shane drilling their guard offense. Beacuse they know a strong guard game is key to survival on the ground.

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I do jujitsu my self, both sports and Vale Tudo style. And my instructor stresses position over submission a lot. If a sub is failing get the position advantage. I think the devs should look in to this matter. If it’s to late to put in this game ,(which i think is not they already have omoplata ssweeps from rubber guard and regular arm bar sweeps from guard and imanari roll animation,) they should really look in to this in future installments of this franchise.

[UFCBlackbelt]

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I agree, submissions in general are underwhelming. I almost never land them because it requires a great deal of carelessness on the part of my opponent. I think I have two submissions in my entire career and they were both to nobodies. The only exception is using flying submissions or a very skilled submission specialist.

[ricochet90]

Re: Rework the guard game plz!!!

I agree, submissions in general are underwhelming. I almost never land them because it requires a great deal of carelessness on the part of my opponent. I think I have two submissions in my entire career and they were both to nobodies. The only exception is using flying submissions or a very skilled submission specialist.

Agreed and if you look at it the grappleing game in general is pretty wacky. If they have moving strikes this game and you sway and roll under them that should result in automatic double unders beacuse of the distance you are at .And if I go for single legs or double leg and my opponent doesn’t lunge back or use the new retreat animation it should push them back to the cage with the new cage animation. I really hope the devs put more time in to the clinch and guard game and make it more dynamic.

[johnmangala]

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Definitely agree.

Sad we still don't have guard pull 3 iterations into EA UFC.

[OPSPunk]

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I agree generally the guard game is waaay more dynamic than this game shows. There should be more positions within the guard. Bottom fight in closed guard should be able to push head down of opponent. That spot should allow top guy to recover more, but the elbows from bottom should be able to open up a guy and this lead to head dmg. Top player should be able to block but it should leave them open for transitions or subs.

Another position should be open guard allowing for transition to butterfly. Which could be super dynamic. Could limit top strikes but allow for easier passes, but also easier get ups. Should be able to move from those 3 positions fluidly. Right now top guy can chill out in guard without too much worry. This would force them to move which could open up more reversals. Just adding two positions would change guard game so easy.

[ricochet90]

Re: Rework the guard game plz!!!

I agree generally the guard game is waaay more dynamic than this game shows. There should be more positions within the guard. Bottom fight in closed guard should be able to push head down of opponent. That spot should allow top guy to recover more, but the elbows from bottom should be able to open up a guy and this lead to head dmg. Top player should be able to block but it should leave them open for transitions or subs.

Another position should be open guard allowing for transition to butterfly. Which could be super dynamic. Could limit top strikes but allow for easier passes, but also easier get ups. Should be able to move from those 3 positions fluidly. Right now top guy can chill out in guard without too much worry. This would force them to move which could open up more reversals. Just adding two positions would change guard game so easy.

Absolutely true. right now it’s so easy to blanket some one it’s frustrating how little jujitsu fighters are represented in the game.

I also love that butterfly idea I think they had it in one of the ufc undisputed games did they not ?

[Paledude45]

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They should be working on the ground game but I have said since launch that full guard is weak, it's not threatening at all.

[Gotmadskillzson]

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I also love that butterfly idea I think they had it in one of the ufc undisputed games did they not ?

I believe they had it in every MMA game ever created except for the MMA games EA has created. Hell I think they even had it in UFC: Sudden Impact and UFC: Throwdown back in the PS2 days. Just so many positions they had in the PS2 era that we don't have in this series for the PS4. Just weird when I think about it. It the main reason why I don't like this series. BJJ is so under represented.

[OPSPunk]

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I believe they had it in every MMA game ever created except for the MMA games EA has created. Hell I think they even had it in UFC: Sudden Impact and UFC: Throwdown back in the PS2 days. Just so many positions they had in the PS2 era that we don't have in this series for the PS4. Just weird when I think about it. It the main reason why I don't like this series. BJJ is so under represented.

I think only that last THQ game had it in there...but you couldn't really do much with it.

[TheGentlemanGhost]

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I agree, submissions in general are underwhelming. I almost never land them because it requires a great deal of carelessness on the part of my opponent. I think I have two submissions in my entire career and they were both to nobodies. The only exception is using flying submissions or a very skilled submission specialist.

Yeah, I have no clue how anyone enjoys this sub system. It's very robotic as well and there is no actual submission battle, just a race to fill gates in a specific amount of time.

But I've also recently been thinking about how underwhelming guard has felt. But then again, maybe it's just the way the ground game works in general. The meters just aren't fun or realistic to me, so maybe I'm just out so turned off by the ground game I've never noticed full guard is actually more beneficial than I think.

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[ricochet90]

Re: Rework the guard game plz!!!

Yeah, I have no clue how anyone enjoys this sub system. It's very robotic as well and there is no actual submission battle, just a race to fill gates in a specific amount of time.

But I've also recently been thinking about how underwhelming guard has felt. But then again, maybe it's just the way the ground game works in general. The meters just aren't fun or realistic to me, so maybe I'm just out so turned off by the ground game I've never noticed full guard is actually more beneficial than I think.

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People might hate on me for this I actually like the animations on submissions in this game better than any undisputed. Reason being each stage of the submission is different and illustrates how much technique it really takes to pull of a submission.
For example the triangle choke at stage one is getting your leg over the arm stage 2 is dragging the the inside arm across the belly stage 3 you close the triangle over the shoulder stage 4 you apply pressure and e.t.c.
But I wish at certain stages if the sub failed I should get the sweep beacuse of how much I progressed in the sub. Not for all submissions but at least for the ones in guard. Beacuse any grappler knows submissions from guard lead to position.

[TheGentlemanGhost]

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People might hate on me for this I actually like the animations on submissions in this game better than any undisputed. Reason being each stage of the submission is different and illustrates how much technique it really takes to pull of a submission.
For example the triangle choke at stage one is getting your leg over the arm stage 2 is dragging the the inside arm across the belly stage 3 you close the triangle over the shoulder stage 4 you apply pressure and e.t.c.
But I wish at certain stages if the sub failed I should get the sweep beacuse of how much I progressed in the sub. Not for all submissions but at least for the ones in guard. Beacuse any grappler knows submissions from guard lead to position.

Yeah I disagree lol. They're idle, they go to an animation and they stay mostly still until the next gate. No struggle or nothing EA MMA just had it where your actually engagement in the sub battle dictated how tight the hold looked and that's all I need for cosmetics. I don't look gates,or the animations because of the idleness and a lot of times, a sub is just slapped on smoothly anyway. Plus I don't like the fact that gates are actually transitions and not the actual sub anyway until the last one.

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[R4Zk]

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This game need as way to pull guard from different clinch positions to. Its just so easy/fast to fake out of fullguard on top. Way easy

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