Why do you even bother making some fighters

[UFCBlackbelt]

Re: Why do you even bother making some fighters

1. I'm a bigger Cormier fan than a Saki fan, so get the **** outta here with your weird 'wet dream' bull****.

2. I don't even look at the leaderboard. I only play ranked because everyone in quick fight plays like goofballs.

I'm just talking about the game from my own perspective. No need to make it personal and act like I'm trying to 'ruin' it for anybody else.

yes, unfortunately when you play quick match it's like you get matched with division 2 players who quit the moment grappling happens or they start losing.

[Phillyboi207]

Re: Why do you even bother making some fighters

Obviously. No one is saying we should be able to pick BJ Penn and murk Conor Mcgregor and outwrestle Khabib. Just to add a bit more variety to the game. Maybe I'm the only one who's sick of fighting Jon Jones 25 times in a row.

It's not just this game, I've been doing this since Undisputed 1 in 2009 so that's 9 years of fighting the same the GSP/Jon Jones almost every fight. (it was GSP back then instead of Conor)


There's just a lot of lower ranked fighters I'm a fan of and watch in UFC fights but theres zero incentive to use them because they have the same gas tanks in the game as my grandma.

I mean theres an equal stats mode, classic fights, universe mode, to at least get some use out of the 240 fighters that no one ever picks.

I agree with a lot of the stamina / health ratings being jacked. Not much we can do when the UFC has a say in player rating.

And yeah a universe mode would be a dream.

[aholbert32]

Re: Why do you even bother making some fighters

That's only if you've only been playing these games the last few years. The disparity wasn't always like this. I played Fight Night round 3 for 3 years back in the day and I was always playing with different guys.

I just wouldn't mind an equal stats mode put into quick match and so it would be optional. You don't want to play with it, don't select the box. Keep your play being realistic.

The player base has dropped drastically. Fight Night Champion has similar numbers and that game is 8 years old. Isn't the idea to get as many people playing as possible?

Career is borked. Ranked is an absolute cheesefest. Just seems such a waste to have 240 fighters that people hardly use.

Thats not true. If anything its growing. For the past 2 months the game on ps4 was averaging around 6k tops. This past week, the game had 7k-8k. Its on the same path as UFC 2 was at this time. UFC 2 had a big bump once the significantly dropped the price and after the first big LEC.

I agree about the equal stats mode but the reality is most ranked fighters would complain about the player pool being cut and not being able to find fights.

[UFCBlackbelt]

Re: Why do you even bother making some fighters

Thats not true. If anything its growing. For the past 2 months the game on ps4 was averaging around 6k tops. This past week, the game had 7k-8k. Its on the same path as UFC 2 was at this time. UFC 2 had a big bump once the significantly dropped the price and after the first big LEC.

I agree about the equal stats mode but the reality is most ranked fighters would complain about the player pool being cut and not being able to find fights.

What about an optional legacy stats if you click L3? So that way we can have a current Anderson Silva and a legacy Anderson Silva? A lot of fighting games do this. You could even have a different model such as having Anderson's yellow/black trunks. If the former is too difficult, it would still be a big help. In parentheses next to the name can be (legacy) to differentiate.

[aholbert32]

Re: Why do you even bother making some fighters

Obviously. No one is saying we should be able to pick BJ Penn and murk Conor Mcgregor and outwrestle Khabib. Just to add a bit more variety to the game. Maybe I'm the only one who's sick of fighting Jon Jones 25 times in a row.

It's not just this game, I've been doing this since Undisputed 1 in 2009 so that's 9 years of fighting the same the GSP/Jon Jones almost every fight. (it was GSP back then instead of Conor)


There's just a lot of lower ranked fighters I'm a fan of and watch in UFC fights but theres zero incentive to use them because they have the same gas tanks in the game as my grandma.

I mean theres an equal stats mode, classic fights, universe mode, to at least get some use out of the 240 fighters that no one ever picks.

Hmm...it depends on who you are talking about. Lets take Flyweight. The only person with a HUGE advantage in stamina is DJ. DJ has a 96 striking stamina. So if you take Wilson Reis (88) against DJ you will be at a pretty significant disadvantage.

Now when it comes to the rest of the division, that advantage decreases alot. After JC, the highest SS is Benevidez at 92. There are 10 Flyweights either equal or within 3 points of Benevidez. So compared to most of the division, many of the fighters have similar gas tanks.

Dont get me wrong. There are some **** ups. I was pissed at myself when I realized Guida's stamina stats were so low. There are also a few chin and stamina stats that we have to fix eventually.

[aholbert32]

Re: Why do you even bother making some fighters

What about an optional legacy stats if you click L3? So that way we can have a current Anderson Silva and a legacy Anderson Silva? A lot of fighting games do this. You could even have a different model such as having Anderson's yellow/black trunks. If the former is too difficult, it would still be a big help. In parentheses next to the name can be (legacy) to differentiate.

I'm not against it. I'm just not sure there is enough time for UFC 3. We are in the fourth month of patches and they typically stop around month 6 or 7. So its probably more of a UFC 4 thing if anything.

[LarsP]

Re: Why do you even bother making some fighters

It makes sense that you cannot beat Cormier when using Saki, right?

There is this really simple solution that FIFA uses for years. When you pick a 3-star team on FIFA, you will only get matched up with teams within a .5 star range.

This couldn't be too hard to apply to this game, I'm just afraid the playerbase is too small.

[scyth223]

Re: Why do you even bother making some fighters

Hmm...it depends on who you are talking about. Lets take Flyweight. The only person with a HUGE advantage in stamina is DJ. DJ has a 96 striking stamina. So if you take Wilson Reis (88) against DJ you will be at a pretty significant disadvantage.

Now when it comes to the rest of the division, that advantage decreases alot. After JC, the highest SS is Benevidez at 92. There are 10 Flyweights either equal or within 3 points of Benevidez. So compared to most of the division, many of the fighters have similar gas tanks.

Dont get me wrong. There are some **** ups. I was pissed at myself when I realized Guida's stamina stats were so low. There are also a few chin and stamina stats that we have to fix eventually.

Ok, theres zero problems. All 250 fighters are super playable in the game. I must be wrong.

In all seriousness, I know you love the game but a lot can be improved. Just pretending theres nothing wrong is the reason we still don't have a great career mode after 5 years. It still doesn't hold a candle to Fight Night's or EA MMA, holding several belts in Fight Night, or being a champion in several organisations until you got to Strikeforce.

Maybe you had an incredible career experience and I'm wrong. All I know is I did not.

Ps. You picked literally the worst divison to use as an example. Flyweights generally have good cardio due to their size. If I'm wrong and everyone is playable then why did somebody make this thread?

[UFCBlackbelt]

Re: Why do you even bother making some fighters

Ok, theres zero problems. All 250 fighters are super playable in the game. I must be wrong.

In all seriousness, I know you love the game but a lot can be improved. Just pretending theres nothing wrong is the reason we still don't have a great career mode after 5 years. It still doesn't hold a candle to Fight Night's or EA MMA, holding several belts in Fight Night, or being a champion in several organisations until you got to Strikeforce.

Maybe you had an incredible career experience and I'm wrong. All I know is I did not.

Ps. You picked literally the worst divison to use as an example. Flyweights generally have good cardio due to their size. If I'm wrong and everyone is playable then why did somebody make this thread?

Flyweight is one of the worst examples, I tried picking Cejudo against DJ, it was a nightmare. His stats are way and above everyone else that you might as well just pick him. For any character you pick that is not DJ, DJ could do what they do better.

I think the most balanced divisions are LW and WW, but there are still characters that have no reason being in the game. Alex Olivera is an example, the guy is insanely slow, almost no stamina, and his clinch stats and ground stats are surprisingly very bad. I don't think whoever rated Olivera did him justice

[xtremeba1000]

Re: Why do you even bother making some fighters

Flyweight is one of the worst examples, I tried picking Cejudo against DJ, it was a nightmare. His stats are way and above everyone else that you might as well just pick him. For any character you pick that is not DJ, DJ could do what they do better.

I think the most balanced divisions are LW and WW, but there are still characters that have no reason being in the game. Alex Olivera is an example, the guy is insanely slow, almost no stamina, and his clinch stats and ground stats are surprisingly very bad. I don't think whoever rated Olivera did him justice

He beat Tim Mean, Will Brooks, and Condit but since he lost to Yancy he must suck. I feel like that is their logic. He does have hook perks though.

[aholbert32]

Re: Why do you even bother making some fighters

Ok, theres zero problems. All 250 fighters are super playable in the game. I must be wrong.

In all seriousness, I know you love the game but a lot can be improved. Just pretending theres nothing wrong is the reason we still don't have a great career mode after 5 years. It still doesn't hold a candle to Fight Night's or EA MMA, holding several belts in Fight Night, or being a champion in several organisations until you got to Strikeforce.

Maybe you had an incredible career experience and I'm wrong. All I know is I did not.

Ps. You picked literally the worst divison to use as an example. Flyweights generally have good cardio due to their size. If I'm wrong and everyone is playable then why did somebody make this thread?

You know what sucks about this forum?

This guy made a post and I identified one thing that I slightly disagreed with. I conceded that there are some top level fighter that have a big stamina gap. I just said that if you look at the entire division, the gap isnt that significant.

I didnt say he was wrong.
I didnt comment on his other statements.
I didnt talk about the career mode.
I didnt compare it to other games.
I didnt say there were zero problems (in fact I admitted that we screwed up some stats and took the blame for it).

I addressed one thing. That was stamina.

Now look at his response.

This is the sort of thing that makes me not want to interact with this forum at all. There isnt a dev or another GC that talks to you guys about stuff like ratings. In fact, I'm constantly editing myself so that I dont violate the NDA and get in trouble while still giving you guys enough insight. ****, like this makes me question whether its worth it. I could be like the other 6 GCs and pop by once a month if that.

To your other point, if you wont accept Flyweight, I'll go with HW. The highest striking stamina is Stipe/JDS with 93. The lowest is Timothy Johnson with 85. There are 18 HWs. 13 have stamina between 93-89.

So the gap between highest and lowest is the same as Flyweight and the majority of fighters in HW are clustered around each other. I can do another division if you want.

[TheRizzzle]

Re: Why do you even bother making some fighters

1. I'm a bigger Cormier fan than a Saki fan, so get the **** outta here with your weird 'wet dream' bull****.

2. I don't even look at the leaderboard. I only play ranked because everyone in quick fight plays like goofballs.

I'm just talking about the game from my own perspective. No need to make it personal and act like I'm trying to 'ruin' it for anybody else.

1. So pick Cormier.

2. Don't care.

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[scyth223]

Re: Why do you even bother making some fighters

You know what sucks about this forum?

This guy made a post and I identified one thing that I slightly disagreed with. I conceded that there are some top level fighter that have a big stamina gap. I just said that if you look at the entire division, the gap isnt that significant.

I didnt say he was wrong.
I didnt comment on his other statements.
I didnt talk about the career mode.
I didnt compare it to other games.
I didnt say there were zero problems (in fact I admitted that we screwed up some stats and took the blame for it).

I addressed one thing. That was stamina.

Now look at his response.

This is the sort of thing that makes me not want to interact with this forum at all. There isnt a dev or another GC that talks to you guys about stuff like ratings. In fact, I'm constantly editing myself so that I dont violate the NDA and get in trouble while still giving you guys enough insight. ****, like this makes me question whether its worth it. I could be like the other 6 GCs and pop by once a month if that.

To your other point, if you wont accept Flyweight, I'll go with HW. The highest striking stamina is Stipe/JDS with 93. The lowest is Timothy Johnson with 85. There are 18 HWs. 13 have stamina between 93-89.

So the gap between highest and lowest is the same as Flyweight and the majority of fighters in HW are clustered around each other. I can do another division if you want.

Don't take it personally. I just want this game to get better that's all.

[aholbert32]

Re: Why do you even bother making some fighters

He beat Tim Mean, Will Brooks, and Condit but since he lost to Yancy he must suck. I feel like that is their logic. He does have hook perks though.

Thats not our logic at all though.

I'll address Olivieria. Did you watch the Condit fight? I did. I thought he lost round 1 pretty clearly. 2nd round he got takedowns against Condit (who has only defends TDs at a 37% clip) and got taken down. The key to that fight was Olivieria's activity from the bottom (including the up kick that lead to the finish) and his Guillotine that actually finished him.

So watching that fight? What would you buff? His stamina is already decent from a standing perspective at 89. Watching the fight again, I would be cool with a grappling stamina buff. Bottom Game? My understanding is that only effects transitioning from the bottom and he did a poor job of that. If that stat also managed striking from the bottom, I would be good with a big buff there.

Sub O? Well he's already a 92. The biggest buff I would give him is sub D (where he is very low).

My view of Alex is he's a mid level WW who beats mid level LW/WWs. With the exception of Condit (who may not be elite any more) he's lost to every fighter who is slightly considered a higher level (unless you are a really big Tim Means fan or give him a ton of crdit for the Brooks fight where he missed weight).

I dont have a problem with buffing him in some areas. I'm actually likely to suggest a few for a future update but I dont think he's criminally underrated.

[aholbert32]

Why do you even bother making some fighters

Don't take it personally. I just want this game to get better that's all.

I do because I didnt just blow your statement off. I gave you a thought out response. So if I'm going to take my time and do that, I would appreciate a thought out response back. If your post was "Thats flyweight where they have a ton of cardio. There are issues at other divisions"...that wouldve been cool. I wouldve given you the numbers on other divisions.



But you came back with a snarky response. Thats fine too but that isnt the kind of converstations I'm trying to have here.