The few remaining issues I have with the game as a grappler

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  • teezie
    Rookie
    • Jun 2004
    • 140

    #16
    Re: The few remaining issues I have with the game as a grappler

    Just to add to what the OP has posted. One of the most troubling aspects of clinch denials is not only the extremely long denial window but the fact that somehow players are allowed to deny while in the middle of throwing strikes. WHAT?! You gotta be kidding me. It's the "bowling with the gutter guards" equivalent in this game. How is that honestly made possible? If you are striking then there is no way you should be able to deny. It took FOREVER to get takedowns to a place where they are now decent. The clinch game still has a ways to go.

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    • FlaccoNumba5
      Rookie
      • Nov 2016
      • 345

      #17
      Re: The few remaining issues I have with the game as a grappler

      Originally posted by teezie
      Just to add to what the OP has posted. One of the most troubling aspects of clinch denials is not only the extremely long denial window but the fact that somehow players are allowed to deny while in the middle of throwing strikes. WHAT?! You gotta be kidding me. It's the "bowling with the gutter guards" equivalent in this game. How is that honestly made possible? If you are striking then there is no way you should be able to deny. It took FOREVER to get takedowns to a place where they are now decent. The clinch game still has a ways to go.
      It’s simple, small changes that the clinch needs (in my opinion) yet GCs and GPD (understandable) refuse to even acknowledge it both here and Twitter

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      • MacGowan
        Sassy
        • Jun 2017
        • 1681

        #18
        Re: The few remaining issues I have with the game as a grappler

        Originally posted by Papadoc60
        What strikes on the ground would you increase the damage of by position/posture?
        - I would like you to be able to defend head and body in MOST positions.

        - I would like you to be able to posture up in more positions

        - I would like you to be able to throw more strikes. knees, elbows, body shots. from all different positions. you decide if it's worth it

        - damage up on a lot of these. 10 knees to the body in side control? without you blocking? you're DEAD.
        30 strikes to the head from rubberguard without you blocking? TKO.

        - juice up the block in a lot of these positions. Now the block is more powerful, but the opponent can target unblocked parts. rubberguard:
        1 punch to the head, you block.
        I throw an elbow to the body, not very effective, but makes you second guess,
        another to the head, now unblocked.

        - let you feint strikes on the ground.

        - let you move on the ground. pushing you to the cage means a bonus for him (you drop rate of stamina rebuild and your power). but you moving on the ground might make it harder for him to land those shots.

        - make subs an easier part of the grappling. drop the hud, make simple sub option default, link it with stamina, and introduce striking and blocking.
        Last edited by MacGowan; 07-23-2018, 09:02 PM.

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        • Reinfarcements
          Pro
          • Nov 2017
          • 633

          #19
          Re: The few remaining issues I have with the game as a grappler

          Originally posted by MacGowan

          edit:


          Genuine question, why are they same size in the ground grappling, but not in the clinch grappling?
          (ripped from Ricky J Sports videos.)
          That is terrifying

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          • Thetruth11
            Banned
            • Feb 2018
            • 474

            #20
            Re: The few remaining issues I have with the game as a grappler

            Originally posted by Papadoc60
            1. Clinch denial windows need to be smaller

            2. Single collar break is still too fast in my opinion

            3. Submissions are not very effective ways to finish fights unless you have a fighter with switch subs and stamina does not seem to impact them as much as it should

            4. The regular takedowns still feel a bit weak and the undeniable takedowns are pretty useless or never appear in fights that are competitive

            5. You should not be able to deny takedown and clinch at the same time

            6. Over under clinch against the cage needs fixing, the denial window is massive

            7. Stamina drain on TDS could be based on how well you set up the shot ( Zhunter mentioned this )

            Some of these you already said, but I feel like these things would round out grappling or would at least be worth looking into.
            Only thing I agree with is number 3

            Sent from my SM-G920T using Operation Sports mobile app

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            • Newaza Expert
              Rookie
              • May 2018
              • 41

              #21
              Re: The few remaining issues I have with the game as a grappler

              Originally posted by UFCBlackbelt
              Sprawl is pretty terrible for transitions for the top guy. It's just wayyy too easy to get reversed, and the getup to overunder is too hard to deny.
              I've found that the only way to deny that get-up to over/under is to pre-deny and this just comes down to luck and timing; when I have Tony Ferguson, I just go for the rolling kneebar once they get to over/under as many players either don't see it coming or don't know how to defend it. I've submitted even high level players with this kneebar as it's a 2-gate submission.

              I've also found that the Japanese necktie, and occasionally the guillotine/anaconda choke, are the only ways to do anything from the top of sprawl without getting reversed or denied. If you deny them or if you stuff a takedown to sprawl then you might have enough grappling advantage to move into back side mount but even then you can still get denied if they guess correctly(50-50 chance).

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              • GrimLeiper
                Rookie
                • Nov 2016
                • 353

                #22
                Re: The few remaining issues I have with the game as a grappler

                Sprawl needs a little buff I think for grapplers. Over/under is fast, as is the transition to half guard DOM (transition down)

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                • Phillyboi207
                  Banned
                  • Apr 2012
                  • 3159

                  #23
                  Re: The few remaining issues I have with the game as a grappler

                  Originally posted by GrimLeiper
                  Sprawl needs a little buff I think for grapplers. Over/under is fast, as is the transition to half guard DOM (transition down)

                  Sent from my HTC Desire 530 using Operation Sports mobile app
                  Wish we could use the muscle modifier to take the back.

                  IRL you gotta be pretty quick

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                  • UFCBlackbelt
                    MVP
                    • Jan 2018
                    • 1067

                    #24
                    Re: The few remaining issues I have with the game as a grappler

                    Originally posted by Newaza Expert
                    I've found that the only way to deny that get-up to over/under is to pre-deny and this just comes down to luck and timing; when I have Tony Ferguson, I just go for the rolling kneebar once they get to over/under as many players either don't see it coming or don't know how to defend it. I've submitted even high level players with this kneebar as it's a 2-gate submission.

                    I've also found that the Japanese necktie, and occasionally the guillotine/anaconda choke, are the only ways to do anything from the top of sprawl without getting reversed or denied. If you deny them or if you stuff a takedown to sprawl then you might have enough grappling advantage to move into back side mount but even then you can still get denied if they guess correctly(50-50 chance).
                    you can be reversed for a denied guillotine.

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                    • Newaza Expert
                      Rookie
                      • May 2018
                      • 41

                      #25
                      Re: The few remaining issues I have with the game as a grappler

                      Originally posted by UFCBlackbelt
                      you can be reversed for a denied guillotine.
                      You can be reversed for anything. I was just saying you can get it sometimes if they're not expecting you to go for it same with the anaconda choke; very few guys from my experience reverse the Japanese necktie even if the meter takes a long time to fill up.

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                      • UFCBlackbelt
                        MVP
                        • Jan 2018
                        • 1067

                        #26
                        Re: The few remaining issues I have with the game as a grappler

                        Originally posted by Newaza Expert
                        You can be reversed for anything. I was just saying you can get it sometimes if they're not expecting you to go for it same with the anaconda choke; very few guys from my experience reverse the Japanese necktie even if the meter takes a long time to fill up.
                        The denial is insanely long unless you have GA or a huge stamina advantage it's a pretty easy thing to Deny.

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                        • Newaza Expert
                          Rookie
                          • May 2018
                          • 41

                          #27
                          Re: The few remaining issues I have with the game as a grappler

                          Originally posted by UFCBlackbelt
                          The denial is insanely long unless you have GA or a huge stamina advantage it's a pretty easy thing to Deny.
                          I find that the denial window for a guillotine is a little shorter than the back side mount transition after your opponent rolls into a sprawl but you're right as it's still easy enough to deny if you're expecting it; it's one of those things where you can occasionally catch them off guard by attempting it as it's very risky.

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                          • Papadoc60
                            Rookie
                            • Jun 2017
                            • 393

                            #28
                            Re: The few remaining issues I have with the game as a grappler

                            The most annoying thing is no matter how many times we voice our concerns the community largely doesn't care. Grappling threads get buried so fast and no one comments on them. This sounds cynical but most people would probably prefer if grappling and striking weren't even balanced.

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                            • Solid_Altair
                              EA Game Changer
                              • Apr 2016
                              • 2043

                              #29
                              Re: The few remaining issues I have with the game as a grappler

                              Originally posted by Papadoc60
                              The most annoying thing is no matter how many times we voice our concerns the community largely doesn't care. Grappling threads get buried so fast and no one comments on them. This sounds cynical but most people would probably prefer if grappling and striking weren't even balanced.
                              I feel ya.

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                              • 1212headkick
                                Banned
                                • Mar 2018
                                • 1823

                                #30
                                Re: The few remaining issues I have with the game as a grappler

                                You can’t continue to sell buffs to grappling while completely nerfing it as well. Not minor needs but dramatic ones like clinch range reduced. You literally don’t even have to deny anymore leaving the clinch worse off then when we had the long denial windows. If the only way to clinch is lunge the mechanic is inherently broken. I’m quickly losing faith for this series because ea is trying to please everyone and you just can’t do that. That’s not realistic. No pun intended. I love the game but there’s so many glaring issues with it I’m surprised it’s not dead yet. And then we have a game changer program which I respect the game changers to the fullest but it seems like it’s Us vs them and that it’s a pr machine to sell us stuff we don’t want in the game. Maybe I’m wrong but I’m frustrated I do appreciate martial mind a Gilbert and zhunter and martial mind and Rommel the rest don’t seem to be to active. Where has dmanunt been. He doesn’t even post ufc videos anymore. I mean no disrespect just voicing my feelings

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