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  • LeonVegaSuarez
    Rookie
    • Apr 2016
    • 431

    #76
    Re: Patch spoilers discussion

    Originally posted by AydinDubstep


    Blocking a lead hook and returning with his own lead hook
    That's exactly what I thought of when I read the patch spoiler.

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    • Phillyboi207
      Banned
      • Apr 2012
      • 3159

      #77
      Re: Patch spoilers discussion

      Originally posted by Solid_Altair
      Strictly speaking that is not it. But it is very close to it. And the guy who mentioned frame trapping first probably meant that.

      The reason that pressure works in the game is the hesitation caused by the possibility of the opponent continuing his combo. It's not about the actual frames. In fact, the actual frames are tuned to make this strategy less powerful. The frames are actually working against the dude performing the combo pressure. This mitigates the effect of the hesitation. But the hesitation factor is still pretty strong.

      A legit frame trap in the game would be landing an overhand cleanly, then striking the opponent with a straight, right away. It would interrupt any attack he would throw at you right after eating the overhand (unless he'd somehow evade it).
      I always thought frame traps were based around block stun, recovery, and start up?

      In game doesnt our start up and recovery for each strike increase as our stamina increases?

      So theoretically it shouldnt be possible to do a frame trap all fight long

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      • WarMMA
        MVP
        • Apr 2016
        • 4612

        #78
        Re: Patch spoilers discussion

        Originally posted by AydinDubstep


        Blocking a lead hook and returning with his own lead hook
        Yh this is a legit thing fighters do in combat sports and the reason it works well is cuz the lead hand is closer and comes out faster. So in this gif this guy gets tagged here cuz he attacked and tried to follow up with another strike (looks like was going to be a kick), thus he ended up getting tagged mid strike and the active kd happened. I like this being added to the game. More ways to shut down spamming is always good.
        Last edited by WarMMA; 08-19-2018, 03:17 PM.

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        • Phillyboi207
          Banned
          • Apr 2012
          • 3159

          #79
          Re: Patch spoilers discussion

          So for block counters will the block stun be removed?

          Or will the counter strike be sped up?

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          • GameplayDevUFC
            Former EA Sports UFC Gameplay Developer
            • Jun 2014
            • 2830

            #80
            Re: Patch spoilers discussion

            Originally posted by Phillyboi207
            So for block counters will the block stun be removed?

            Or will the counter strike be sped up?
            Both. Plus the block will lock in earlier giving you time to input the strike before the blocked strike actually lands.

            It all happens very fast but it's tuned to be fully achievable with a bit of practice.

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            • LeonVegaSuarez
              Rookie
              • Apr 2016
              • 431

              #81
              Re: Patch spoilers discussion

              Originally posted by GameplayDevUFC
              Both. Plus the block will lock in earlier giving you time to input the strike before the blocked strike actually lands.

              It all happens very fast but it's tuned to be fully achievable with a bit of practice.
              Strike recording in practice should work well for this? I mean to get the timing down.

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              • Freshly Baked Gregg
                Pro
                • Jan 2018
                • 605

                #82
                Re: Patch spoilers discussion

                Originally posted by AydinDubstep


                Blocking a lead hook and returning with his own lead hook


                But they are different stances! Apparently the lead hook is meant to be unsafe in a situation like this.


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                • Solid_Altair
                  EA Game Changer
                  • Apr 2016
                  • 2043

                  #83
                  Re: Patch spoilers discussion

                  Originally posted by AydinDubstep


                  Blocking a lead hook and returning with his own lead hook
                  Yes! That's a very good example. Thanks!

                  Originally posted by Phillyboi207
                  I always thought frame traps were based around block stun, recovery, and start up?

                  In game doesnt our start up and recovery for each strike increase as our stamina increases?

                  So theoretically it shouldnt be possible to do a frame trap all fight long
                  In a strict sense a frame trap is attacking the opponent, ending up with frame advantage (that is rare in this game, even on hit), then (without comboing) using a fast strike that will intercept any strike that opponent throws at you.

                  Actual frame traps are very rare in UFC 3. But combo pressure still works very well, despite the frames.

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                  • WarMMA
                    MVP
                    • Apr 2016
                    • 4612

                    #84
                    Re: Patch spoilers discussion

                    Originally posted by Freshly Baked Gregg
                    But they are different stances! Apparently the lead hook is meant to be unsafe in a situation like this.


                    Sent from my iPhone using Operation Sports
                    It's not really unsafe. It's up to the guy throwing to be defensively responsible. Only reason the guy throwing got caught is cuz he was just thinking "throw a combo".

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                    • Freshly Baked Gregg
                      Pro
                      • Jan 2018
                      • 605

                      #85
                      Re: Patch spoilers discussion

                      Originally posted by WarMMA
                      It's not really unsafe. It's up to the guy throwing to be defensively responsible. Only reason the guy throwing got caught is cuz he was just thinking "throw a combo".


                      Look at Solid_Altair’s third last comment though


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                      • Counter Punch
                        Pro
                        • Apr 2018
                        • 949

                        #86
                        Re: Patch spoilers discussion

                        Originally posted by WarMMA
                        It's not really unsafe. It's up to the guy throwing to be defensively responsible. Only reason the guy throwing got caught is cuz he was just thinking "throw a combo".
                        This x 10000. Commiting to the wrong combo IRL can get you seriously hurt.
                        ...precision beats power and timing beats speed... and realism beats meta.

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                        • WarMMA
                          MVP
                          • Apr 2016
                          • 4612

                          #87
                          Re: Patch spoilers discussion

                          Originally posted by Freshly Baked Gregg
                          Look at Solid_Altair’s third last comment though


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                          Oh I was speaking in terms of real life but game wise, GPD says you can still slip and lugne the block counters. So if you're worried about throwing a lead hook and getting caught by the block counter of your opponent who is in opposite stance, just be prepared to slip or lunge after you throw. That way your being defensively responsible
                          Last edited by WarMMA; 08-19-2018, 04:51 PM.

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                          • Solid_Altair
                            EA Game Changer
                            • Apr 2016
                            • 2043

                            #88
                            Re: Patch spoilers discussion

                            Yeah. It would be kind of unsafe on block, in the sense that if it's blocked, you won't have time to block the counter. But you can still slip it.

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                            • Phillyboi207
                              Banned
                              • Apr 2012
                              • 3159

                              #89
                              Re: Patch spoilers discussion

                              Originally posted by Solid_Altair
                              Yes! That's a very good example. Thanks!


                              In a strict sense a frame trap is attacking the opponent, ending up with frame advantage (that is rare in this game, even on hit), then (without comboing) using a fast strike that will intercept any strike that opponent throws at you.

                              Actual frame traps are very rare in UFC 3. But combo pressure still works very well, despite the frames.
                              Thanks that’s what I was thinking

                              As far as I know the block stun in this isnt that crazy to create a lot of true frame traps

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                              • Freshly Baked Gregg
                                Pro
                                • Jan 2018
                                • 605

                                #90
                                Re: Patch spoilers discussion

                                Originally posted by WarMMA
                                Oh I was speaking in terms of real life but game wise, GPD says you can still slip and lugne the block counters. So if you're worried about throwing a lead hook and getting caught by the block counter of your opponent who is in opposite stance, just be prepared to slip or lunge after you throw. That way your being defensively responsible


                                Oh I thought this was about the safety of the block counter-er, not the person attacking in the first instance.


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