Lets talk Zabhit

[Good Grappler]

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You shouldn’t have to see him fight a top 5 fighter to see how good he is. Any professional fighter can “survive” a flawless attack. Anyone in the top 15 can “survive” against the champ in their division, if they just fight defensively and accept the L. Pretty much every newcomer in the UFC now has the skills to NOT get dominated.

Jones went to a decision with Stephan Bonnar. Yet he finished Shogun a year or two later. Holly Holm barely edged out Raquel Pennington, yet dominated Rousey. Cejudo lost to Benavidez, then beat DJ. Performances against lower rated fighters are not indicative of how a fighter will do against higher rated fighters. It’s about the skills a fighter displays, and how those skills match up against the skills of the best fighters in the world.

When I see stuff like “Bochniak landed punches on Zabit” or “Michael Johnson landed on Khabib”, I just shake my head. It’s like, why? Why are you pointing that out? Daniel Cormier scratched his belly button once. What’s the relevance? It’s as if you’re trying to say Zabit isn’t good because a professional fighter landed a few desperation punches for a moral victory in the final round.

[Good Grappler]

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the trip takedown probably needs a longer denial window or a better tell, it looks like a strike

I’ve been taking everyone down with this but how do you defend it? Is it RT+up or down?

[Phillyboi207]

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You shouldn’t have to see him fight a top 5 fighter to see how good he is. Any professional fighter can “survive” a flawless attack. Anyone in the top 15 can “survive” against the champ in their division, if they just fight defensively and accept the L. Pretty much every newcomer in the UFC now has the skills to NOT get dominated.

Jones went to a decision with Stephan Bonnar. Yet he finished Shogun a year or two later. Holly Holm barely edged out Raquel Pennington, yet dominated Rousey. Cejudo lost to Benavidez, then beat DJ. Performances against lower rated fighters are not indicative of how a fighter will do against higher rated fighters. It’s about the skills a fighter displays, and how those skills match up against the skills of the best fighters in the world.

When I see stuff like “Bochniak landed punches on Zabit” or “Michael Johnson landed on Khabib”, I just shake my head. It’s like, why? Why are you pointing that out? Daniel Cormier scratched his belly button once. What’s the relevance? It’s as if you’re trying to say Zabit isn’t good because a professional fighter landed a few desperation punches for a moral victory in the final round.

Yeah I feel like people often forget just how good the “lower tier” fighters are.

Not everyone has what it takes to be a champ but if they made it to the UFC they’ve made it for a reason

[GrindFactor]

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I’ve been taking everyone down with this but how do you defend it? Is it RT+up or down?

It's RT and up just like a regular clinch denial. It's just incredibly fast and the only way you can really deny it is to know it's coming and predeny. It's as fast as a jab hah. That move def needs a nerf.

About him being OP like a lot of people have been saying, it's really just his length and height for 145 that makes him so hard to deal with. He's like a taller more explosive anthony pettis but at 145. They have the same moves for the most part. Same with yair. But zabit is better on the ground.

He is still easily beaten by just smart fighting and picking your shots. His stats themselves aren't that crazy. He doesn't have one overall stat at even a 90. His level 5 Tawkendo perk that gives him plus 5 power to spinning kicks is what makes him super dangerous combined with his length and ability to keep you at range.

I'd still pick an Aldo or Holloway over him any day.

[OPSPunk]

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Idk, Holloway gives him trouble. I have been killing Aldo’s all day with him. Connors is Connor but Edgar is screwed

[Ultras123]

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You shouldn’t have to see him fight a top 5 fighter to see how good he is. Any professional fighter can “survive” a flawless attack. Anyone in the top 15 can “survive” against the champ in their division, if they just fight defensively and accept the L. Pretty much every newcomer in the UFC now has the skills to NOT get dominated.

Jones went to a decision with Stephan Bonnar. Yet he finished Shogun a year or two later. Holly Holm barely edged out Raquel Pennington, yet dominated Rousey. Cejudo lost to Benavidez, then beat DJ. Performances against lower rated fighters are not indicative of how a fighter will do against higher rated fighters. It’s about the skills a fighter displays, and how those skills match up against the skills of the best fighters in the world.

When I see stuff like “Bochniak landed punches on Zabit” or “Michael Johnson landed on Khabib”, I just shake my head. It’s like, why? Why are you pointing that out? Daniel Cormier scratched his belly button once. What’s the relevance? It’s as if you’re trying to say Zabit isn’t good because a professional fighter landed a few desperation punches for a moral victory in the final round.

Thing is bochniak started first training mma when he was 22 .. he’s nowhere close to a top 15 fighter infact he’s ranked 146th in the world .. zavit gets overrated coz of his flashy striking .. he’s skinny and weak tho there’s no way he could beat a volkanovski or even mirsad bektic let alone mendes stephens emmett edgar absolutely no way.. he loses to yair too imo.. I don’t even think zabit would beat myles jury

[Haz_____]

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His stats in game are amazing. 90s everywhere youd want them.

My only nitpicks are aesthetic tbh. I wish he was skinnier, and had messier hair. I can't find any pictures of him where he looks like he does in game. I also feel like the games engine has trouble making tall *skinny* guys.

Zabit is tall for the div but hes skin n bones. Very skinny guy. In the game tho hes just bigger than everyone everywhere.

Just small nitpicks though. Overall im having a blast with him.



Also quick note. Tim Means character model gets me too. Means is another skinny lanky dude irl with a Brock Lesnar style frame on him in game for some reason.

[WarMMA]

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Thing is bochniak started first training mma when he was 22 .. he’s nowhere close to a top 15 fighter infact he’s ranked 146th in the world .. zavit gets overrated coz of his flashy striking .. he’s skinny and weak tho there’s no way he could beat a volkanovski or even mirsad bektic let alone mendes stephens emmett edgar absolutely no way.. he loses to yair too imo.. I don’t even think zabit would beat myles jury

He's skinny and "weak"? Sounds like you're underestimating Zabit a bit you don't think? Yes he hasn't faced any top lvl competition yet, but we'll see if the hype is real as he moves up in competition. Everybody starts from the bottom but from what we've seen so far, there's no denying he's an elite striker with pretty good grappling. We'll see him tested further soon and we'll see if he's the truth or not.

[Ultras123]

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He's skinny and "weak"? Sounds like you're underestimating Zabit a bit you don't think? Yes he hasn't faced any top lvl competition yet, but we'll see if the hype is real as he moves up in competition. Everybody starts from the bottom but from what we've seen so far, there's no denying he's an elite striker with pretty good grappling. We'll see him tested further soon and we'll see if he's the truth or not.

Zabits shown good technique but good technique don’t mean nothin without the strength to pull it off..

[WarMMA]

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Zabits shown good technique but good technique don’t mean nothin without the strength to pull it off..

And strength don't always mean nothing without proper technique...kinda goes both ways. And tbh if I had to choose, i'm choosing proper technique over strength all day. Idk where you guys are getting the idea Zabit is weak from though? Or do you mean cuz he doesn't have big ko power?

[OPSPunk]

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And strength don't always mean nothing without proper technique...kinda goes both ways. And tbh if I had to choose, i'm choosing proper technique over strength all day. Idk where you guys are getting the idea Zabit is weak from though? Or do you mean cuz he doesn't have big ko power?

You need both. But to me strength relative to your weight class is the starting point.

Take a simple technique like a jab. You can have crisp technique which usually will convert into some level of power and stamina efficiency. But if you do that with a significant stength deficiency.

Conversely, If a body builder did a sloppy jab on you...YOU WILL FEEL IT!!!!!

The other part is that for the most part one can be taught, the other can not. You can get a guy to have a high level of technical proficiency (assuming dexterity and other physical attributes are equal). Its tough teaching a guy to develop power. You rarely see a guys power improve.

[Ultras123]

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And strength don't always mean nothing without proper technique...kinda goes both ways. And tbh if I had to choose, i'm choosing proper technique over strength all day. Idk where you guys are getting the idea Zabit is weak from though? Or do you mean cuz he doesn't have big ko power?

You def need both but zabit lacks strength and u can tell this from his body shape..he’s a twig he has no base ..a good example of this is what happened last night with Vick and gaethje

[Ultras123]

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You need both. But to me strength relative to your weight class is the starting point.

Take a simple technique like a jab. You can have crisp technique which usually will convert into some level of power and stamina efficiency. But if you do that with a significant stength deficiency.

Conversely, If a body builder did a sloppy jab on you...YOU WILL FEEL IT!!!!!

The other part is that for the most part one can be taught, the other can not. You can get a guy to have a high level of technical proficiency (assuming dexterity and other physical attributes are equal). Its tough teaching a guy to develop power. You rarely see a guys power improve.

This is on point.. the guys top 15 in feather weight r built like tree trunks and they have technique as well .. everyone in top 15 has technique.. even jury a skinner fighter is noticeably bigger/stronger than zabit

[WarMMA]

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You need both. But to me strength relative to your weight class is the starting point.

Take a simple technique like a jab. You can have crisp technique which usually will convert into some level of power and stamina efficiency. But if you do that with a significant stength deficiency.

Conversely, If a body builder did a sloppy jab on you...YOU WILL FEEL IT!!!!!

The other part is that for the most part one can be taught, the other can not. You can get a guy to have a high level of technical proficiency (assuming dexterity and other physical attributes are equal). Its tough teaching a guy to develop power. You rarely see a guys power improve.

Yh I agree. To me power is something where you either have it or you don't. If it was something that could be taught, we would have seen lots of guys become knockout strikers a long time ago. But back on topic...in Zabit's case, he doesn't have lots of power no, but his mastered technique and skill lvl makes him a more dangerous striker than some guys with ko power. Like i'm sure lots of fighters at FW would rather face a Jeremy Stephens or Josh Emmit, than Zabit honestly.

[WarMMA]

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You def need both but zabit lacks strength and u can tell this from his body shape..he’s a twig he has no base ..a good example of this is what happened last night with Vick and gaethje

Nah man. That was just a guy that doesn't have the best chin taking a clean hard shot. But so basically, what you're saying is you think Zabit is weak and doesn't have a chin cuz he's skinny?