Ranked: Equalized Stats only?

[Kingslayer04]

Re: Ranked: Equalized Stats only?

Sure. They seem to come back to play them.
And you just answered no to my question.

So why wouldn't I?

I honestly don't understand any of this. Ranked players, whether they "like" mirror fights in ranked or not, cannot do anything about them. They happen. They weren't vouched for or demanded by the Ranked players. They're just there. If you're asking about my own attitude about them, I'll tell you - I don't like them, but they're not such a big problem for me because I'd rather have a mirror fight the way it is in ranked, rather than to have people race for a specific fighter. I like to be able to jump in and pick anyone I want. I understand that people will want to be able do the same and if a mirror fight happens that's okay. But mirror fights and the way they are right now is nothing like the ridiculous suggestion of stats being equal for everyone. And once again - people don't actively want mirror fights.

[aholbert32]

Re: Ranked: Equalized Stats only?

I have it split. Can't forget about people who follow Martial, IMUHBOXER, Ricky J Sports, etc other YouTubers as well. But the best way to know for sure, is to have it done.

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I have no control over that. Also, EA may not want to do that because it would make it appear that they are thinking of doing this and they dont want to cause any unnecessary panic.

What started this thread was my surprise about how many people in that poll voted yes. The devs havent weighed in on this at all.

[aholbert32]

Re: Ranked: Equalized Stats only?

Well it’s not nice to lump all of them together.

I think there’s a decent portion of people that play ranked because the other modes are limited

I hate mirror matches. But there isnt much else to do offline. Career mode sliders are great but career mode itself is too dry.

Fightering the AI can also get old pretty fast once you get used to it.

Maybe. From what i've seen, people who play offline tend to play offline. Even if EA made a deep universe mode, a deep career mode and gave people complete customization, it still all comes down to the AI.

If you are too good for the top level of difficulty or find it predictable, it doesnt matter how deep the modes are imo.

[OPSPunk]

Re: Ranked: Equalized Stats only?

To me when we say cheese we need to be more specific because there are two types. This game really only has one type

1. Unbalancing cheese - this is cheese that is almost unstoppable and there is nothing you can do if your opponent has mastered this. It would throw the game out of balance. For better or worse. I can’t think of a tactic in this game that can’t be stopped.

2. Unrealistic cheese - this cheese destroys immersion but is far from unstoppable. Fed moving pressure is like this. It’s annoying and unrealistic, but it can be countered.

[GrimLeiper]

Re: Ranked: Equalized Stats only?

This would ruin Ranked for me too.

I understand there are times we lose "because he was playing as Khabib". But that just means we need to get better vs Khabib...

Want equalized stats? Play as Mcgregor in Featherweight, DJ in Flyweight, Dos Santos in Heavyweight.

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[TheRizzzle]

Re: Ranked: Equalized Stats only?

So he's a little upset that you basically fight that same character (McGregor and the like) over and over again and that's what's driving this argument.

But the solution is to create equalized stats which would make every fighter on the roster...the same anyway?

Am I wrong for interpreting it this way?

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[MacGowan]

Re: Ranked: Equalized Stats only?

I honestly don't understand any of this. Ranked players, whether they "like" mirror fights in ranked or not, cannot do anything about them.

Sure they can, they can complain, and if enough people feel the same way it'll get changed.

they're not such a big problem for me because I'd rather have a mirror fight the way it is in ranked, rather than to have people race for a specific fighter.

But isn't that what happens now? everytime you both go for same fighter you end up with a mirror match. with mirror stats, and thus breaking immersion.

I'm just saying if that's the big problem with mirror stats, why is it not a big problem with mirror matches?

[Phillyboi207]

Re: Ranked: Equalized Stats only?

Maybe. From what i've seen, people who play offline tend to play offline. Even if EA made a deep universe mode, a deep career mode and gave people complete customization, it still all comes down to the AI.

If you are too good for the top level of difficulty or find it predictable, it doesnt matter how deep the modes are imo.

If we had complete customization the AI wont really matter as much since you could adjust it imo.

But I dont wanna derail the discussion we have going on.

Just to stay on topic. I wonder if Devs would be wiling to make LEC an every weekend thing. Do more fantasy ones like UFC 2.

[aholbert32]

Re: Ranked: Equalized Stats only?

If we had complete customization the AI wont really matter as much.

But I dont wanna derail the discussion we have going on.

Just to stay on topic. I wonder if Devs would be wiling to make LEC an every seekend thing. Do more fantasy ones like UFC 2.

Thats not true. That would only happen if they opened up the AI customization templates and made them accessible. FNC is the best AAA combat sports game when it came to customization and the back end AI is still hugely important to the game no matter how you set the fighter specific customizations.

[OPSPunk]

Re: Ranked: Equalized Stats only?

Maybe. From what i've seen, people who play offline tend to play offline. Even if EA made a deep universe mode, a deep career mode and gave people complete customization, it still all comes down to the AI.

If you are too good for the top level of difficulty or find it predictable, it doesnt matter how deep the modes are imo.

I disagree. Single player currently is 100% centered around the AI. If you made a single player mode with more depth (rankings, sim fights, press conferences etc) it would allow u to overlook weaknesses in the AI.

Btw... I hate mirror fights. It pulls me out of the immersion.

[MacGowan]

Re: Ranked: Equalized Stats only?

So he's a little upset that you basically fight that same character (McGregor and the like) over and over again and that's what's driving this argument.

But the solution is to create equalized stats which would make every fighter on the roster...the same anyway?

Am I wrong for interpreting it this way?

Kinda what i got out of it too. If you end up fighting the same 10 fighters because they have the best stats, at what point are you just cutting yourself out of experiencing the rest of the roster.

If you had equal stats you'd suddently find yourself fighting a lot more different fighters.

Also fighters can't all be 100% equal. I mean, the lanky fighters still throw slower than the short smaller ones even with the same speed stat.

Also some fighters have unique movesets and stances, etc.

[Kingslayer04]

Re: Ranked: Equalized Stats only?

Sure they can, they can complain, and if enough people feel the same way it'll get changed.


But isn't that what happens now? everytime you both go for same fighter you end up with a mirror match. with mirror stats, and thus breaking immersion.

I'm just saying if that's the big problem with mirror stats, why is it not a big problem with mirror matches?

Well if it can be changed via a way in which I don't have to race for a fighter who'll be available for my opponent if I'm not quick enough and not for me I'm all for it. But I don't know what such a way would be. I did make a suggestion about ranked which would incentivise people to use everyone and that would help solve the mirror fights issue.
Now, there is a difference between the mirror fights and this absurd suggestion.

1. Mirror fights are rather occasional. They happen occasionally, even if they occur more often the higher your rank is. They are not happening every single time.


2. Even in a mirror fight, it is a contest about who will employ their fighter's strengths and deal with their weaknesses the better (especially for sim players). Nick Diaz, if I'm not mistaken, has a better bottom game than top game. This means that even though both players have picked him, the one on top has to be wary of his lethal off-the-back game. You might want to avoid fighting Diaz in his guard, but you'll like to put him in yours. If everything is equal, none of that matters. It's a bland homogenisation with nothing truly individual about the fighters.

And this 2. is for mirror fights. The strength and weaknesses game is further intensified if the fight is not a mirror one, which is usually the case. And that's not even mentioning, for the umpteenth time, that this is a UFC game and not a stickman game.

[aholbert32]

Re: Ranked: Equalized Stats only?

I disagree. Single player currently is 100% centered around the AI. If you made a single player mode with more depth (rankings, sim fights, press conferences etc) it would allow u to overlook weaknesses in the AI.

Btw... I hate mirror fights. It pulls me out of the immersion.

The point of the game is to play the game for most people who buy this game. I'm not arguing against more depth for those modes. They should absolutely be deeper.

My point is if someone is dominating the AI and doesnt find it to be challenging at the top level, it doesnt matter if you add press conferences, weigh ins, International Fight week, Commercial shoots, Fight Expo appearances or rankings.

The majority of the time when I ask ranked players why they dont play offline, it has nothing to do with depth. Its that they find fighting an actual person more challenging than fighting the AI.

[Phillyboi207]

Re: Ranked: Equalized Stats only?

Thats not true. That would only happen if they opened up the AI customization templates and made them accessible. FNC is the best AAA combat sports game when it came to customization and the back end AI is still hugely important to the game no matter how you set the fighter specific customizations.

Oh yeah I agree with that.

I thought you meant full customization like nba 2k where we’d have access to fighter tendencies and global tendency sliders.

[Kingslayer04]

Re: Ranked: Equalized Stats only?

The point of the game is to play the game for most people who buy this game. I'm not arguing against more depth for those modes. They should absolutely be deeper.

My point is if someone is dominating the AI and doesnt find it to be challenging at the top level, it doesnt matter if you add press conferences, weigh ins, International Fight week, Commercial shoots, Fight Expo appearances or rankings.

The majority of the time when I ask ranked players why they dont play offline, it has nothing to do with depth. Its that they find fighting an actual person more challenging than fighting the AI.

I absolutely get your point, I've thought about that same thing myself, and you do, well, have a point. Playing the AI is just not the same as playing real people. But I disagree that the depth of a mode makes no difference. I imagine I'd be all over a detailed Universe mode or a free-flowing, non-scripted career mode, and a lot of people will also feel that way. And Online will still be there, but you'll really have a number of options and you can do whatever you feel like doing. For me right now there's just Ranked/Quick and Ranked could do with some serious changes.