Question: Can you actually block transition fakes?

[WarMMA]

I swear to god I block right on the money sometimes and the fake doesn't get blocked and they get GA. Can you block the fakes? Any good grappling guys know cuz it really doesn't seem so for me. Could be my tv lagging? Idk.

[Kenetic NRG]

Re: Question: Can you actually block transition fakes?

You need to pre deny rather than waiting for the animation.

Most transitions can be reacted to; you see the transition, you process which direction you need to deny it, then you flick the stick.

Some transitions (usually ones with some ga build up) you can “react” to, as long as you cut out the time your brain takes to process the correct side. So in this case, you put your money on them going a certain direction, then as soon as they twitch you are flicking that direction. You are guessing the direction here, but waiting for them to give you the proper timing.

Few transitions require pre denys. You are guessing the timing and the direction, before you see an animation play. This is for most momentum based transitions, fakes (such as denying submissive half guard to guard), along with 100% GA / stam build up transitions.

The timing is tricky but once you get use to it it’s easy. Best way to practice this would be get a friend, put them in side saddle, have them do the side control transition then immediately roll to sprawl for the fast momentum transition. To Block the roll to sprawl, you’ll need to pre deny.

[WarMMA]

Re: Question: Can you actually block transition fakes?

Thanks man this helps a lot. Now I see why some transitions seemed pretty much undeniable, while others I just had to be really fast on the denial. Definitely gonna put in some practice with this.

[1212headkick]

Re: Question: Can you actually block transition fakes?

You need to pre deny rather than waiting for the animation.

Most transitions can be reacted to; you see the transition, you process which direction you need to deny it, then you flick the stick.

Some transitions (usually ones with some ga build up) you can “react” to, as long as you cut out the time your brain takes to process the correct side. So in this case, you put your money on them going a certain direction, then as soon as they twitch you are flicking that direction. You are guessing the direction here, but waiting for them to give you the proper timing.

Few transitions require pre denys. You are guessing the timing and the direction, before you see an animation play. This is for most momentum based transitions, fakes (such as denying submissive half guard to guard), along with 100% GA / stam build up transitions.

The timing is tricky but once you get use to it it’s easy. Best way to practice this would be get a friend, put them in side saddle, have them do the side control transition then immediately roll to sprawl for the fast momentum transition. To Block the roll to sprawl, you’ll need to pre deny.

The monster awakens what about the kids who transition whenever you try to strike in side control

[rabbitfistssaipailo]

Re: Question: Can you actually block transition fakes?

Transition fakes can definitely be denied ...you just have to guess right and pre-deny ...I had no idea you "camp" on pre- deny in certain positions on the ground in this game .

I always felt it wasn't possible as your pad would vibrate ...can someone shed more light on this ????

The worst is getting swept on transition fake I know there's a method to reverse getting swept upon your transition getting denied but hmm that's god body **** to me .

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[SUGATA]

Re: Question: Can you actually block transition fakes?

You need to pre deny rather than waiting for the animation.

Most transitions can be reacted to; you see the transition, you process which direction you need to deny it, then you flick the stick.

Some transitions (usually ones with some ga build up) you can “react” to, as long as you cut out the time your brain takes to process the correct side. So in this case, you put your money on them going a certain direction, then as soon as they twitch you are flicking that direction. You are guessing the direction here, but waiting for them to give you the proper timing.

Few transitions require pre denys. You are guessing the timing and the direction, before you see an animation play. This is for most momentum based transitions, fakes (such as denying submissive half guard to guard), along with 100% GA / stam build up transitions.

The timing is tricky but once you get use to it it’s easy. Best way to practice this would be get a friend, put them in side saddle, have them do the side control transition then immediately roll to sprawl for the fast momentum transition. To Block the roll to sprawl, you’ll need to pre deny.

I though that Pre-Deny in Clinch / Groubd (pressing Grapple Block not during started transition Meter, mistimed GB) makes this transition undeniable or 2 sec penalty’s for GB... am I wrong?

[ZHunter1990]

Re: Question: Can you actually block transition fakes?

I though that Pre-Deny in Clinch / Groubd (pressing Grapple Block not during started transition Meter, mistimed GB) makes this transition undeniable or 2 sec penalty’s for GB... am I wrong?

He means guessing very early. To the point where the transition is denied in the start up frames rather than on reaction. Not actual pre emptive(whiffed) denials.

[GrimLeiper]

Re: Question: Can you actually block transition fakes?

The monster awakens what about the kids who transition whenever you try to strike in side control

I've had a lot of success draining them of stamina in side control, once they're empty, regardless of which direction they go, if you time it right, you can land a an elbow to the head whilst their transitioning, then deny the transition once it lands. Keep doing it over and over.

If you've had the time to do it and got their head health extremely low, you can let them go to backside and finish it or move to top mount yourself.

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[Papadoc60]

Re: Question: Can you actually block transition fakes?

Just be wary of trying to predeny transition fakes, because one purpose of a transition fake is to make your opponent deny at the incorrect time so that the GA spikes for you when they unsuccessfully try to deny the fake.

[WarMMA]

Re: Question: Can you actually block transition fakes?

Just be wary of trying to predeny transition fakes, because one purpose of a transition fake is to make your opponent deny at the incorrect time so that the GA spikes for you when they unsuccessfully try to deny the fake.

Yh thats been happening to me lately. What I do now if I notice a guy likes to fake a ton, depending on which transition he fakes, i'll either transition the same time (and if its a fake my trans will go through) or not even attempt to block and if he fakes, i'll hit him with a small shot and power posture up with the modifier. If they fall for the bait with the strike, most times they aren't able to block the power posture up cuz they thought the strike was a transition. For example, another one I like doing is striking the body with the same side arm as mount transition and then right away go for mount. It tricks them sometimes.

[SUGATA]

Re: Question: Can you actually block transition fakes?

Just be wary of trying to predeny transition fakes, because one purpose of a transition fake is to make your opponent deny at the incorrect time so that the GA spikes for you when they unsuccessfully try to deny the fake.

If you actually Pre-deny his Fake, you will get a penalty for 2 sec which makes his follow up Transition undeniable, BUT if this transition will be a Fake then this will not help him, B/C his next after penalty transition (i.e. his Fake) will solve your penalty and you will be ready to deny again his 2nd (true) transition...

So:

1) You are trying to AIM his Fake on anticipation (not reaction) (i.e. kinetic's "pre-deny") - it is the BEST option IF you are sure that he will make a Fake.

Otherwise, when you are late (deny AFTER his Fakes) - you will make his 2nd not fake transition undeniable.

2) IF you are NOT sure (50/50) that he will make a Fake - BEST option is to try deny on reaction.

[WarMMA]

Re: Question: Can you actually block transition fakes?

If you actually Pre-deny his Fake, you will get a penalty for 2 sec which makes his follow up Transition undeniable, BUT if this transition will be a Fake then this will not help him, B/C his next after penalty transition (i.e. his Fake) will solve your penalty and you will be ready to deny again his 2nd (true) transition...

So:

1) You are trying to AIM his Fake on anticipation (not reaction) (i.e. kinetic's "pre-deny") - it is the BEST option IF you are sure that he will make a Fake.

Otherwise, when you are late (deny AFTER his Fakes) - you will make his 2nd not fake transition undeniable.

2) IF you are NOT sure (50/50) that he will make a Fake - BEST option is to try deny on reaction.

I will say I hate how the fakes work though. I shouldn't have to guess and pre-deny to deny one. The fact that you can't deny them on reaction, have to pre deny and plus they get GA when you don't pre deny them make them kinda op tbh. Now if you could deny them on reaction then it would be better cuz missing it all came down to how quick the player reacts. No pre denying and guessing involved.

[SUGATA]

Re: Question: Can you actually block transition fakes?

I will say I hate how the fakes work though. I shouldn't have to guess and pre-deny to deny one. The fact that you can't deny them on reaction, have to pre deny and plus they get GA when you don't pre deny them make them kinda op tbh. Now if you could deny them on reaction then it would be better cuz missing it all came down to how quick the player reacts. No pre denying and guessing involved.

I agree w you here - b/c I don’t see a BALANCED counters FT tool/tactic = any tactic against FT has worse risk/reward.

But I don’t agree that FT must to be slow downed to be able more solved on pure reaction.

I think the best way especially in network delay conditions will be BALANCING FT RESULTS:
+ FT gives u undeniable follow up transition if opponent GBed after FT

- FT cost more Stamina

- FT grants some GA to opponent

Resume: the target of FT must to be a BAITING opponent into mistimed GB in costs of loosed some stamina and GA.
NOe FT is FREE , costs nothing. This is wrong and brakes game balance.

[1212headkick]

Re: Question: Can you actually block transition fakes?

The momentum transitions are unrealistic when a opponent has no stamina. Just like signature lunges fakes and momentum should be disabled when they have no stam

[RomeroXVII]

Re: Question: Can you actually block transition fakes?

The momentum transitions are unrealistic when a opponent has no stamina. Just like signature lunges fakes and momentum should be disabled when they have no stam

You can't deny physics because of stamina lol. Plus regardless if it's a momentum transition, if they have no Stam like you say , it should be EASY to get denied.

And no, a fighter doesn't lose the ability to lunge when they have no stam, now that's unrealistic. They do however, show fatigue and that's the animation that you get if you have no stamina. If they're still lunging fine, guess what- they still have a good amount of stamina.