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  • Solid_Altair
    EA Game Changer
    • Apr 2016
    • 2043

    #16
    Re: Low block for body kicks seems slow

    Do you think jabs are instant?

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    • SUGATA
      MVP
      • Apr 2016
      • 1375

      #17
      Re: Low block for body kicks seems slow

      Originally posted by Solid_Altair
      Do you think jabs are instant?
      strange unlogical resume from you. strange that you dont understand what does instant block means in fighting games (the same in EA UFC).

      i was talking that BLOCK activation has NOT in-game delay - i.e. the Block is activating as soon as the game accepted the signal of Block button pressing. You disagree?

      do you think there is an in-game delay between pressing Block button and activating block except gamepad response, sending signal to console, etc - i.e. all things which we have in other arcade fightinhgs which eats some ms.
      Last edited by SUGATA; 10-17-2018, 03:20 PM.
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      • rabbitfistssaipailo
        MVP
        • Nov 2017
        • 1625

        #18
        Re: Low block for body kicks seems slow

        I'm lost do you agree , yes or no ? That there is in fact a delay between switching from high block to low block Sir ?

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        • SUGATA
          MVP
          • Apr 2016
          • 1375

          #19
          Re: Low block for body kicks seems slow

          Originally posted by rabbitfistssaipailo
          I'm lost do you agree , yes or no ? That there is in fact a delay between switching from high block to low block Sir ?

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          no normal delay, but MAY BE (need testing) possible in some scenarios mentioned above (possible as a hypothesis)

          post a video with delay scenario please.

          for now, w/o video, the only who can tell us about Block delay is GPD. lets summon him here)
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          • HereticGabriel
            Pro
            • Apr 2016
            • 614

            #20
            Re: Low block for body kicks seems slow

            It could be frames or latency from my tv, but I find when I’m holding high block and I see the windup for a body kick, 7/10 times roughly I’ll eat the kick and then my low block kicks will be up. Frustrates me to no end lol

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            • WarMMA
              MVP
              • Apr 2016
              • 4612

              #21
              Re: Low block for body kicks seems slow

              Originally posted by HereticGabriel
              It could be frames or latency from my tv, but I find when I’m holding high block and I see the windup for a body kick, 7/10 times roughly I’ll eat the kick and then my low block kicks will be up. Frustrates me to no end lol
              Same thing here. Its annoying as hell lol.

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              • SUGATA
                MVP
                • Apr 2016
                • 1375

                #22
                Re: Low block for body kicks seems slow

                Originally posted by HereticGabriel
                It could be frames or latency from my tv, but I find when I’m holding high block and I see the windup for a body kick, 7/10 times roughly I’ll eat the kick and then my low block kicks will be up. Frustrates me to no end lol

                i tested with fastest strikes combos as Jab (blocked)- body jab(blocked), and no any delays.
                so your scenarios is you are holding High block, no block stun from blocked high strike, you see incoming body kick, adding L2 to your R2 block and you get a delay, right?
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                • Haz_____
                  Banned
                  • Aug 2018
                  • 299

                  #23
                  Re: Low block for body kicks seems slow

                  There's definitely an intended delay
                  Gpd talked about it at some point, I can't find the post though.

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                  • SUGATA
                    MVP
                    • Apr 2016
                    • 1375

                    #24
                    Re: Low block for body kicks seems slow

                    Originally posted by Haz_____
                    There's definitely an intended delay
                    Gpd talked about it at some point, I can't find the post though.

                    I learned ALL GPD’s posts and i don’t remember that he said this.
                    If you will find his quote - it helps or ask him now to clear thing up.

                    My thesis - Block and Block switching in the game are INSTANT, I.e. they does NOT have an Startup phase to become active, they becomes active from just next Frame after pressing Block button accepted by the game.
                    And do not equal Block activation with Block ready animation - your Block animation is still in mid of it, but the Block is already activated.


                    BUT there is one thing that may cause a delay too MAY BE - after releasing Block button we have a Block lock for 6 frames (Block active) but I don’t think that it can prevent us from another actions during it as Block switching. And 6 frames is anyway too short enough delay against kicks.
                    Last edited by SUGATA; 10-18-2018, 01:20 AM.
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                    • HereticGabriel
                      Pro
                      • Apr 2016
                      • 614

                      #25
                      Re: Low block for body kicks seems slow

                      Originally posted by SUGATA
                      i tested with fastest strikes combos as Jab (blocked)- body jab(blocked), and no any delays.
                      so your scenarios is you are holding High block, no block stun from blocked high strike, you see incoming body kick, adding L2 to your R2 block and you get a delay, right?
                      Happens both ways sometimes but more often than not when holding high block. I like to stay just outside boxing range and distance fight. I’ll go from no block to high block every so often when I anticipate a strike, but when I go to block the body kick I eat it even tho I hit low block the moment I see a the leg/hip move to throw the kick

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                      • rabbitfistssaipailo
                        MVP
                        • Nov 2017
                        • 1625

                        #26
                        Re: Low block for body kicks seems slow

                        Sugata I'm not even talking about a punch kick combo ...sorry I can't post a video I don't know how .

                        But I'm referring to a body kick you see clear as day ...while holding high block and you eat it despite blocking .

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                        • Good Grappler
                          Pro
                          • May 2018
                          • 615

                          #27
                          Re: Low block for body kicks seems slow

                          Originally posted by WarMMA
                          Yh I notice this too. Seems like maybe the block switching speed is still too slow. Cuz sometimes like you said, i'd see a kick and know its going low and my block still won't go low quick enough. Kicks were also sped up I think, so that may have something to do with it.
                          Yeah exactly. It’s the block switching speed that’s the problem here. I struggle a lot with switching to high block after already inputting a low block. Like I’ll block low, then see the kick going high, and switch the block as fast as possible - before the kick lands - but often times still eat the high kick.

                          I personally block low for all kicks by default, as the initial defense, then simply release the left trigger if I notice the kick going high. I just believe in prioritizing blocking low, because people kick low more often, and the low kicks are faster. The head kicks are less common and they’re slower, so in the off chance someone goes high I usually have time to release the body modifier and defend the kick. This serves the purpose of shutting down leg kick/body kick spam, hence encouraging the easier-to-counter high kicks.

                          But I do still sometimes eat the high kick when I absolutely saw it coming. So I think it’s the block switching that may be the problem.

                          That is, if there is, indeed a problem. It’s possible we’re just not fast enough, or the problem is user error.
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                          • SUGATA
                            MVP
                            • Apr 2016
                            • 1375

                            #28
                            Re: Low block for body kicks seems slow

                            Originally posted by HereticGabriel
                            Happens both ways sometimes but more often than not when holding high block. I like to stay just outside boxing range and distance fight. I’ll go from no block to high block every so often when I anticipate a strike, but when I go to block the body kick I eat it even tho I hit low block the moment I see a the leg/hip move to throw the kick
                            Tested various scenarios:
                            - w/o stamina
                            - breaking block (flashing)
                            - different input (holding Block, clicking Block on the strike landing)
                            i holding high block, getting hits or not, and then AFTER kis body kick started i pressing Body block for low blocking and at just before hit for kick catching.
                            All works fine, no delay...

                            We need a video guys, really.
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                            • SUGATA
                              MVP
                              • Apr 2016
                              • 1375

                              #29
                              Re: Low block for body kicks seems slow

                              Could someone re-create the Block delay scenario in Practice > and then told me how to re-create it by myself or post a video?
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                              • ryangil23
                                Rookie
                                • May 2016
                                • 418

                                #30
                                Re: Low block for body kicks seems slow

                                I'd say there is a delay from my experience. It seems to happen when switching between blocks. Going from no block to block feels fine. If I'm blocking low and see the opponent going for a forward moving head kick, the block doesn't change from low to high fast enough imo. If someone goes for a lead leg kick - straight combo, I can block the straight if I wasn't blocking low to start with

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