UFC 229 Stat update

[Haz_____]

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Switch stance. I have never seen a community on OS so obsessed with a stat that means so little when it comes to the actual game. Doesnt mean there cant be changes to it but it means so little.

Does it tho?

Ive seen videos with high level guys where they talk specifically about how if they are playing against a fighter with low switch, they will base part of their strategy around eating up that lead leg and making them switch to get an advantage in the stand up.

[xtremeba1000]

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Switch stance. I have never seen a community on OS so obsessed with a stat that means so little when it comes to the actual game. Doesnt mean there cant be changes to it but it means so little.

So is the change in power so small that it is almost unnoticeable?
I have talked about it a lot because if someone has good power in both stances I can switch between them and land different strikes at different angles and not sacrifice power. I also like that it is realistic to the actual fighter. Like how wonderboy has a realllllllllllly high switch stance.
The reason we want Conors switch stat lowered is because he doesn't switch stances at all basically. If he had a lowered switch stance if you kicked his lead leg to oblivion and he had to switch stances then he would not have as much power.

[aholbert32]

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So is the change in power so small that it is almost unnoticeable?
I have talked about it a lot because if someone has good power in both stances I can switch between them and land different strikes at different angles and not sacrifice power. I also like that it is realistic to the actual fighter. Like how wonderboy has a realllllllllllly high switch stance.
The reason we want Conors switch stat lowered is because he doesn't switch stances at all basically. If he had a lowered switch stance if you kicked his lead leg to oblivion and he had to switch stances then he would not have as much power.

Its not unnoticable but it isnt as huge as you guys think it is and as you said it only affects power. Like the difference between a 95 and a 90 (which is what I've seen a few of you ask for) isnt as significant as you think.

Also Conor switches stances more than most fighters (see the Siver fight and other early Conor fights). He just doesnt strike that often from the opposite stance.

[xtremeba1000]

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Its not unnoticable but it isnt as huge as you guys think it is and as you said it only affects power. Like the difference between a 95 and a 90 (which is what I've seen a few of you ask for) isnt as significant as you think.

Also Conor switches stances more than most fighters (see the Siver fight and other early Conor fights). He just doesnt strike that often from the opposite stance.

What if it is an 80 currently and got bumped to 90-95? Would that make a noticeable difference in the opposite stances power? Or not much?

And I know he has in the past but he would just kind of throw a few kicks and reach his hands out to measure distance. Never seen him demonstrate power in an orthodox stance.

[aholbert32]

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What if it is an 80 currently and got bumped to 90-95? Would that make a noticeable difference in the opposite stances power? Or not much?

And I know he has in the past but he would just kind of throw a few kicks and reach his hands out to measure distance. Never seen him demonstrate power in an orthodox stance.

If we went by that measurement than maybe 5% of the fighters in this game would have a Switch Stance rating over 80. You guys may disagree with how we did it (The guys who switch stance regularly have higher SS ratings even if they dont throw a ton from the opposite stance. The guys like Wonderboy who do strike a ton from the opposite stance tend to have the highest SS rating.).

Same goes for body strength. I saw someone early say something like "X fighter hasnt taken a ton of body strikes in his career so his rating should be low". Well....that would mean we would have a ****load of people with a mid to low 80s rating (not a ton of fighters regularly get hit with body shots) in body strength. We would also have to save the low 80s for people like Cerrone who have been crumpled by body kicks.

Now maybe thats the game that OS wants. There are flaws to that though. It would completely change the meta and make it even more body strike focused but if the goal is STRICT realism when it comes to every rating, thats the game you would most likely get.

[Kingslayer04]

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If we went by that measurement than maybe 5% of the fighters in this game would have a Switch Stance rating over 80. You guys may disagree with how we did it (The guys who switch stance regularly have higher SS ratings even if they dont throw a ton from the opposite stance. The guys like Wonderboy who do strike a ton from the opposite stance tend to have the highest SS rating.).

Same goes for body strength. I saw someone early say something like "X fighter hasnt taken a ton of body strikes in his career so his rating should be low". Well....that would mean we would have a ****load of people with a mid to low 80s rating (not a ton of fighters regularly get hit with body shots) in body strength. We would also have to save the low 80s for people like Cerrone who have been crumpled by body kicks.

Now maybe thats the game that OS wants. There are flaws to that though. It would completely change the meta and make it even more body strike focused but if the goal is STRICT realism when it comes to every rating, thats the game you would most likely get.

I don't know if that refers to me, I said something similar but about Conor's leg kick health. I was just asking what's it based on since no one's really went for his legs as far as I remember, and he has a 95+ or something in leg health, at least that sort of number was quoted on here.

[xtremeba1000]

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If we went by that measurement than maybe 5% of the fighters in this game would have a Switch Stance rating over 80. You guys may disagree with how we did it (The guys who switch stance regularly have higher SS ratings even if they dont throw a ton from the opposite stance. The guys like Wonderboy who do strike a ton from the opposite stance tend to have the highest SS rating.).

Same goes for body strength. I saw someone early say something like "X fighter hasnt taken a ton of body strikes in his career so his rating should be low". Well....that would mean we would have a ****load of people with a mid to low 80s rating (not a ton of fighters regularly get hit with body shots) in body strength. We would also have to save the low 80s for people like Cerrone who have been crumpled by body kicks.

Now maybe thats the game that OS wants. There are flaws to that though. It would completely change the meta and make it even more body strike focused but if the goal is STRICT realism when it comes to every rating, thats the game you would most likely get.

I gotcha, that makes sense. I was trying to figure out where the switch stat comes from in general. There are a few fighters who have a 80 switch stance who switch all the time so I thought they had to demonstrate power in that stance to get a higher rating.

[aholbert32]

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I don't know if that refers to me, I said something similar but about Conor's leg kick health. I was just asking what's it based on since no one's really went for his legs as far as I remember, and he has a 95+ or something in leg health, at least that sort of number was quoted on here.

It wasnt a shot at you. You are one of the guys whose input I appreciate. Plus there are so many ratings related posts that it I rarely remember who wrote what.

Still, the focus on Conor (other than the WW ratings) is a bit of a waste of time. Yes, he's the coverboy so his ratings will likely be a bit higher than they should be. He's also the most popular fighter in the world so that plays a bit of a role too.

With that said, some of the theories that people cooked up here are funny to me because they arent based in reality.

Out of the 250 fighters, Conor was the person I was worried about the least because it was the one that was the most out of my control. EA and the UFC were going to pay more attention to him so me, Solid and others just presented out numbers and let the chips fall where they may.

There are plenty of other fighters that I'm pissed about because I missed something or overrated or underrated someone. We've been able to fix a good amount of those but there are still some that bug me.

[aholbert32]

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I gotcha, that makes sense. I was trying to figure out where the switch stat comes from in general. There are a few fighters who have a 80 switch stance who switch all the time so I thought they had to demonstrate power in that stance to get a higher rating.

Who are those guys? If they have an upcoming fight, I will attempt to fix them (Lee is on the list but I have to wait until his fight in December.)

[Phillyboi207]

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If we went by that measurement than maybe 5% of the fighters in this game would have a Switch Stance rating over 80. You guys may disagree with how we did it (The guys who switch stance regularly have higher SS ratings even if they dont throw a ton from the opposite stance. The guys like Wonderboy who do strike a ton from the opposite stance tend to have the highest SS rating.).

Same goes for body strength. I saw someone early say something like "X fighter hasnt taken a ton of body strikes in his career so his rating should be low". Well....that would mean we would have a ****load of people with a mid to low 80s rating (not a ton of fighters regularly get hit with body shots) in body strength. We would also have to save the low 80s for people like Cerrone who have been crumpled by body kicks.

Now maybe thats the game that OS wants. There are flaws to that though. It would completely change the meta and make it even more body strike focused but if the goal is STRICT realism when it comes to every rating, thats the game you would most likely get.

Tbh that sounds perfect for switch stance ratings

I wish it affected speed also.

% wise how much of an impact would you say the switch stance stat has?

Connor losing 5-10% of his power when in Orthodox would make a big difference.

[xtremeba1000]

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Who are those guys? If they have an upcoming fight, I will attempt to fix them (Lee is on the list but I have to wait until his fight in December.)

Nick Diaz( maybe never fighting again), Dan Hooker, and Lee was my last one. I know they both fight in December. Would be awesome if they could get that switch stance boost then. I know you might not be able to for Nick though.

If you need references for Nick or Hooker, the KJ Noons fight with Diaz and the Hatsu Hioki fight for Hooker. They switch in a lot of fights but Nick fights orthodox that whole fight and Hooker fights southpaw that whole fight and lands a southpaw left high kick for the KO.

[Kingslayer04]

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Who are those guys? If they have an upcoming fight, I will attempt to fix them (Lee is on the list but I have to wait until his fight in December.)

Oh, by the way, I don't remember what stance Pettis was using against Ferguson but there have been a number of other fights where he starts from southpaw, the Alvarez fight being one of them I think, and I was like "why is he orthodox in the game then?" I just thought of that now and wonder if he should get a default southpaw stance.

[xtremeba1000]

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Oh, by the way, I don't remember what stance Pettis was using against Ferguson but there have been a number of other fights where he starts from southpaw, the Alvarez fight being one of them I think, and I was like "why is he orthodox in the game then?" I just thought of that now and wonder if he should get a default southpaw stance.

He was orthodox most of the fight and he dropped Ferg with a orthodox right hand. He fights southpaw when he wants to land the left high kick

[FlaccoNumba5]

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Yes he is over rated in this game theres no doubt about that. His stance switch should be around 90, his blocking is way too high, and his heart should be dropped. You're another kind of ridiculous if you think a 2 division world champion should be ranked a B+, a gatekeeper ranking

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GSP is an A+ fighter Ferg is an A+ fighter etc. those that are “complete” deserve that ranking. Conor is lacking in many areas, and is truthfully very one dimensional. So for the third, maybe fourth time, I’ll repeat myself. Conor is a B+ fighter at best. Let me be “another kind of ridiculous”

[Gion]

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GSP is an A+ fighter Ferg is an A+ fighter etc. those that are “complete” deserve that ranking. Conor is lacking in many areas, and is truthfully very one dimensional. So for the third, maybe fourth time, I’ll repeat myself. Conor is a B+ fighter at best. Let me be “another kind of ridiculous”

"Lacking in many areas" he has great takedown defense but you can hold him down if you get one. He has good defensive grappling as long as hes not tired. Being said that, his cardio is his only real downfall. He has a diverse set of kicks and is great with the bolo uppercut, gazelle punch, left straight, jab, and hooks to the body. His offensive grappling isn't bad as shown in the hallway, siver, and alvarez fights.
I never said he was a complete fighter, nor was a comparing his skillset to other greats. But to think he is a B+ fighter is just frankly ignorant. Top 3 striker in the UFC who's never been rocked (being exhausted and caught clean doesnt count) with respectable offensive grappling, great defensive grappling, and a gas tank suited for 3 rounds but starts to falter in 5. How the **** is that a B+ fighter?

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