Stamina

[Tyeanisbae]

Somebody in another thread mentioned there should be more distinction between power punchers like woodley and volume punchers like Nate Diaz.

But in order to do that stamina changes have to happen. Stamina should be based mostly on the fighters output. This would mean that even if your strikes are hitting your opponents block it will still drain a considerable amount of stamina especially if your throwing combos as a striker like woodley who doesn't throw combos with several punches.

This would make fighters feel completely different from one another and change how players fight with certain fighters.

[Phillyboi207]

Re: Stamina

Somebody in another thread mentioned there should be more distinction between power punchers like woodley and volume punchers like Nate Diaz.

But in order to do that stamina changes have to happen. Stamina should be based mostly on the fighters output. This would mean that even if your strikes are hitting your opponents block it will still drain a considerable amount of stamina especially if your throwing combos as a striker like woodley who doesn't throw combos with several punches.

This would make fighters feel completely different from one another and change how players fight with certain fighters.

Agreed but they’d have to allow more bleed through or make break block easier.

Plus hard combos would need to be slowed down.

I think all of those changes would greatly increase gameplay but it’d still be a big chance to the meta

[Kingslayer04]

Re: Stamina

Yeah, I did have a few posts regarding this. I believe some fighters should be heavy hitters, others should be volume strikers. And I think flash knockouts should be a real thing and not only when in severe state of vulnerability, with the heavy hitters having a much bigger chance of achieving one. As Mark Hunt I should be giving up height advantage, reach advantage, grappling advantage, combo advantage (if that's a new thing in UFC 4), since Hunt doesn't go for combos... but if I land flush...you get my point. With Ngannou I give up stamina, I give up grappling, but if that bomb connects, lights out, instantly, more often than not. Rumble Johnson is another heavy hitter. With Woodley you won't be giving away as much, maybe just the combo advantage, since he's so well rounded and a great fighter, but that would be realistic. He has dynamite in those hands, and speed, too.

I think the rocked/hurt state should be reconsidered and there should be more variety to that too - tagged, mildly hurt, moderately hurt, severely hurt, etc. But yeah, flash KOs should be a thing, and from anyone, even "volume" punchers or fighters that are not typically known for their knockouts (Edgar vs Mendes), but there would be less probability of that than if you're using a heavy hitter. Also, the number of rocks and drops before you're out should be lowered drastically, especially if those happen in quick succession. Maybe this is where TKOs come in.

[Haz_____]

Re: Stamina

Yes.

Please God. Please Video Game overlords. Please Devs.

Listen to this great, smart man.

[rabbitfistssaipailo]

Re: Stamina

Somebody in another thread mentioned there should be more distinction between power punchers like woodley and volume punchers like Nate Diaz.

But in order to do that stamina changes have to happen. Stamina should be based mostly on the fighters output. This would mean that even if your strikes are hitting your opponents block it will still drain a considerable amount of stamina especially if your throwing combos as a striker like woodley who doesn't throw combos with several punches.

This would make fighters feel completely different from one another and change how players fight with certain fighters.

If you have ever fought a pressure all up in your face block breaking Holly Holmes fighter this is music to your ears.

To be honest that's really the beef with arcade styled sports games . Just like in FIFA where you can use a fast striker as a central defender to contain Ronaldo ...it's crazy how players will pick a fighter and 100 times out of a 100 not fight like them regardless of stats and perks .

Why should Usman be landed body kicks like frank dux vs Paco in blood sport ??? Why ???

If I pick cerrone I expect to get beat up but I'm really just waiting for my opponent to slip up so I can captilize on any mistake off my back .

Straight up .

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[LoveThisLife]

Re: Stamina

Frankly, if you have ever fought PreUnited this would be music to your ears. It is insane how much volume people like him (not just him) throw and simply do not have to worry about stamina.

The counter is "Use head movement to get away from the pressure"... uhhh go ahead and try that (I will send flowers to your hospital room as you recover from your concussion).

Pressure fighting and high volume striking should be an option. However, If I block most of your strikes and you end up landing 31/125... I should have a significant underhand in the stamina department.

This has been a complaint for months and there have been some improvements, however, not nearly enough.

[Tyeanisbae]

Re: Stamina

Yeah, I did have a few posts regarding this. I believe some fighters should be heavy hitters, others should be volume strikers. And I think flash knockouts should be a real thing and not only when in severe state of vulnerability, with the heavy hitters having a much bigger chance of achieving one. As Mark Hunt I should be giving up height advantage, reach advantage, grappling advantage, combo advantage (if that's a new thing in UFC 4), since Hunt doesn't go for combos... but if I land flush...you get my point. With Ngannou I give up stamina, I give up grappling, but if that bomb connects, lights out, instantly, more often than not. Rumble Johnson is another heavy hitter. With Woodley you won't be giving away as much, maybe just the combo advantage, since he's so well rounded and a great fighter, but that would be realistic. He has dynamite in those hands, and speed, too.

I think the rocked/hurt state should be reconsidered and there should be more variety to that too - tagged, mildly hurt, moderately hurt, severely hurt, etc. But yeah, flash KOs should be a thing, and from anyone, even "volume" punchers or fighters that are not typically known for their knockouts (Edgar vs Mendes), but there would be less probability of that than if you're using a heavy hitter. Also, the number of rocks and drops before you're out should be lowered drastically, especially if those happen in quick succession. Maybe this is where TKOs come in.

This is what I was talking about it just doesn't make sense to have to wait until your opponents head health is low to get a one punch/kick KO

[Papadoc60]

Re: Stamina

I would like to see changes made to the way grappling stamina works. If you dominate your opponent on the ground for an entire round, denying and smashing them it should negatively impact their stamina just as much as if you tuned them up and made them miss frequently on the feet that round.


Like Khabib vs Conor for instance, or any Khabib fight

[rabbitfistssaipailo]

Re: Stamina

I would like to see changes made to the way grappling stamina works. If you dominate your opponent on the ground for an entire round, denying and smashing them it should negatively impact their stamina just as much as if you tuned them up and made them miss frequently on the feet that round.


Like Khabib vs Conor for instance, or any Khabib fight

True talk ( as they say in my country ) .

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[Haz_____]

Re: Stamina

True talk ( as they say in my country ) .

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Dead *** big facts my guy.

(As they say in my city)

[TheGentlemanGhost]

Re: Stamina

If you have ever fought a pressure all up in your face block breaking Holly Holmes fighter this is music to your ears.

To be honest that's really the beef with arcade styled sports games . Just like in FIFA where you can use a fast striker as a central defender to contain Ronaldo ...it's crazy how players will pick a fighter and 100 times out of a 100 not fight like them regardless of stats and perks .

Why should Usman be landed body kicks like frank dux vs Paco in blood sport ??? Why ???

If I pick cerrone I expect to get beat up but I'm really just waiting for my opponent to slip up so I can captilize on any mistake off my back .

Straight up .

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I think this and part of the OPs concerns could all be fixed with ratings. Bring back the kick speed, power and now accuracy ratings, bring in combo speed ratings for kicks & punches separately and we can really have fighters fight to their strengths realistically.

Then I'd say boost the vulnerability & lower the stamina and it should all play out fine. Although I think vulnerability is too predictable as-is, every KO/health event is pretty much caused by the same few scenarios, it just feels redundant once you realize which frames cause which health events and KOs. More/better defensive measures could help too.

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[GrimLeiper]

Re: Stamina

I'm not suggesting the stamina is spot on at the moment, but some of the suggestions for improvements have me more concerned than the current state of the stamina system.

I can't help but feel like some of the suggestions would put too much emphasis on having stamina advantage, that fights will become far more boring. People just slowing their pace down to try and to get the stamina advantage. It's boring. In and out, in and out, out, out, jab and hook, out, in and out... zzzzz

Fought a few matches yesterday against a Mcgregor and it was clear that each fight, his game plan was to turn up the tempo when he had a stamina advantage. I was Nate Diaz. I was pressuring, but wasn't throwing much. I was winning based on points each round but the guy still wouldn't apply pressure of any kind. Waited out the decision in the 3rd. Zzzz.

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[Phillyboi207]

Re: Stamina

I'm not suggesting the stamina is spot on at the moment, but some of the suggestions for improvements have me more concerned than the current state of the stamina system.

I can't help but feel like some of the suggestions would put too much emphasis on having stamina advantage, that fights will become far more boring. People just slowing their pace down to try and to get the stamina advantage. It's boring. In and out, in and out, out, out, jab and hook, out, in and out... zzzzz

Fought a few matches yesterday against a Mcgregor and it was clear that each fight, his game plan was to turn up the tempo when he had a stamina advantage. I was Nate Diaz. I was pressuring, but wasn't throwing much. I was winning based on points each round but the guy still wouldn't apply pressure of any kind. Waited out the decision in the 3rd. Zzzz.

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Eh you must not be a fan of most fights then.

Pressuring someone isnt the only way to fight.

[GrimLeiper]

Re: Stamina

Eh you must not be a fan of most fights then.

Pressuring someone isnt the only way to fight.

Are you taking a game plan I implemented in two or three fights as my fighting style? A little presumptuous of you. I'm not going to stand back and kick with Nate Diaz...

The guy can do what he wants. But if I'm down two rounds, I'm not playing the in and out game in the final round lol. Zzzz

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[LarsP]

Re: Stamina

Are you taking a game plan I implemented in two or three fights as my fighting style? A little presumptuous of you. I'm not going to stand back and kick with Nate Diaz...

The guy can do what he wants. But if I'm down two rounds, I'm not playing the in and out game in the final round lol. Zzzz

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I don't think he's talking about your style, but about the fact you find slower paced fights boring.