Blocked front kicks sending you flying

[UFCBlackbelt]

I know you can counter these with side lunges and usually get good counters but it really just bugs me from a realistic perspective as you almost never see people go flying across the octagon ever especially from a blocked strike. I think the push on blocked strikes should be reduced.

[Evil97]

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Amen brother. Just one of the nightmares in UT. Right behind the cartwheel kicks and knees.

[Kingslayer04]

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I know you can counter these with side lunges and usually get good counters but it really just bugs me from a realistic perspective as you almost never see people go flying across the octagon ever especially from a blocked strike. I think the push on blocked strikes should be reduced.

I think the pushing properties behind the kick irl are still there regardless of whether you hit arms or belly. I also think the push is reduced a little bit when it's blocked in the game but I'm not certain about that. Also, when you block such a kick in-game you don't take body damage. So if you manage to block them successfully your only task regarding these kicks remains getting around them and in the pocket. Furthermore, as you said, you can sidestep them.

Edit: oh, you meant the standard teep? You can even catch that.

[ZombieRommel]

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Check lastest GPD patch spoilers. Side body kick is getting nerfed, but I suspect it might not be enough. And not all of us (GC'ers) agree to what extent it should be nerfed, or at all. So it's a little messy. Here's what I think about the pushing strikes personally:

• Teep is balanced. Can be caught and punished with a strike, trip, or takedown. Comes out fast but not unreasonably so. Can also be lunged.

• Jump spinning body kick is balanced. Cannot be caught but has a big startup and is easy to make whiff with a sidewalk or slight range discrepancy. Punishing to miss to many times due to stamina drain. Does the most damage.

• Arm shove (R2 + Square + X) is underpowered. The neutral standing shove barely creates any distance and is interrupted by lots of strikes. Very dangerous.

• Front side body kick is overpowered. It comes out fast, is hard to punish, can't be caught, and only inflicts minor stamina drain on whiff. Tracks lateral movement exceedingly well. The only counter is lunges, which the opponent can condition you into doing to bait you into a roundhouse head/body kick. Incoming nerf should help a little but I still don't think it'll be enough. Everyone from top 10 players to absolute scrublords are spamming this kick.

[Kingslayer04]

Re: Blocked front kicks sending you flying

Check lastest GPD patch spoilers. Side body kick is getting nerfed, but I suspect it might not be enough. And not all of us (GC'ers) agree to what extent it should be nerfed, or at all. So it's a little messy. Here's what I think about the pushing strikes personally:

• Teep is balanced. Can be caught and punished with a strike, trip, or takedown. Comes out fast but not unreasonably so. Can also be lunged.

• Jump spinning body kick is balanced. Cannot be caught but has a big startup and is easy to make whiff with a sidewalk or slight range discrepancy. Punishing to miss to many times due to stamina drain. Does the most damage.

• Arm shove (R2 + Square + X) is underpowered. The neutral standing shove barely creates any distance and is interrupted by lots of strikes. Very dangerous.

• Front side body kick is overpowered. It comes out fast, is hard to punish, can't be caught, and only inflicts minor stamina drain on whiff. Tracks lateral movement exceedingly well. The only counter is lunges, which the opponent can condition you into doing to bait you into a roundhouse head/body kick. Incoming nerf should help a little but I still don't think it'll be enough. Everyone from top 10 players to absolute scrublords are spamming this kick.

I'm not arguing with you, you make good points, I just thought I'd mention that most fighters don't have the front leg side kick. Not that this is an intended balancing mechanism, but it is true, you can't do that kick with just anyone. Stephen Thompson's great at it and it's not easy to get inside while facing him. Just like it won't be easy for him to handle a dominating grappler if taken down. Strengths and styles and all. Anyway, I'm not against a sensible nerf, there is an upcoming one indeed though, as you said. Maybe it will fix these issues. I'm not familiar with how that move is used at the very top levels and how people manage to deal with it. Maybe a nerf based on the level of the kick is a possible solution, if the upcoming one doesn't quite do it?

[ZombieRommel]

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I'm not arguing with you, you make good points, I just thought I'd mention that most fighters don't have the front leg side kick. Not that this is an intended balancing mechanism, but it is true, you can't do that kick with just anyone. Stephen Thompson's great at it and it's not easy to get inside while facing him. Just like it won't be easy for him to handle a dominating grappler if taken down. Strengths and styles and all. Anyway, I'm not against a sensible nerf, there is an upcoming one indeed though, as you said. Maybe it will fix these issues. I'm not familiar with how that move is used at the very top levels and how people manage to deal with it. Maybe a nerf based on the level of the kick is a possible solution, if the upcoming one doesn't quite do it?

Off the top of my head, these fighters have the kick:

GSP
Conor
Nick Diaz
Stephen Thompson
Holly Holm
Rose N.
Jon Jones

And I know for sure that isn't everyone.

At the top levels, certain players (Unibot comes to mind) abuse the hell out of it. Unibot in particular uses GSP almost exclusively and uses this kick on defense to annoy (impossible to close distance on him) or to bully you to the cage for takdowns.

But from the list above, GSP, Conor, and Nick Diaz all having this kick should set off some alarm bells. None of them need this kick in its present form. They already have a wealth of good tools, and this kick on top of their already solid arsenal makes certain players annoying as all hell to deal with.

[Kingslayer04]

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Off the top of my head, these fighters have the kick:

GSP
Conor
Nick Diaz
Stephen Thompson
Holly Holm
Rose N.
Jon Jones

And I know for sure that isn't everyone.

At the top levels, certain players (Unibot comes to mind) abuse the hell out of it. Unibot in particular uses GSP almost exclusively and uses this kick on defense to annoy (impossible to close distance on him) or to bully you to the cage for takdowns.

But from the list above, GSP, Conor, and Nick Diaz all having this kick should set off some alarm bells. None of them need this kick in its present form. They already have a wealth of good tools, and this kick on top of their already solid arsenal makes certain players annoying as all hell to deal with.

As long as the nerf is sensible I'm okay with it. I do believe in fighter uniqueness though, and in guys like Thompson and Jones being difficult to close distance to. So once again, maybe there should be a much more severe risk for a LVL 2 kick of this kind, but Thompson should be much safer doing it (LVL 5). Similar to your suggestion with kick-catching.

[Phillyboi207]

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Off the top of my head, these fighters have the kick:

GSP
Conor
Nick Diaz
Stephen Thompson
Holly Holm
Rose N.
Jon Jones

And I know for sure that isn't everyone.

At the top levels, certain players (Unibot comes to mind) abuse the hell out of it. Unibot in particular uses GSP almost exclusively and uses this kick on defense to annoy (impossible to close distance on him) or to bully you to the cage for takdowns.

But from the list above, GSP, Conor, and Nick Diaz all having this kick should set off some alarm bells. None of them need this kick in its present form. They already have a wealth of good tools, and this kick on top of their already solid arsenal makes certain players annoying as all hell to deal with.

Maybe the kick’s move level should impact the distance it can push you on block.

So someone likd Wonderboy could still have the OP version but Diaz/Conor wont

[rabbitfistssaipailo]

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Exactly . But if that's the case then it should be general across the board for all fighters and all move sets .

I do however believe that the Nerf in the upcoming patch is enough . Should be easier to punish now .

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[Papadoc60]

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Off the top of my head, these fighters have the kick:

GSP
Conor
Nick Diaz
Stephen Thompson
Holly Holm
Rose N.
Jon Jones

And I know for sure that isn't everyone.

At the top levels, certain players (Unibot comes to mind) abuse the hell out of it. Unibot in particular uses GSP almost exclusively and uses this kick on defense to annoy (impossible to close distance on him) or to bully you to the cage for takdowns.

But from the list above, GSP, Conor, and Nick Diaz all having this kick should set off some alarm bells. None of them need this kick in its present form. They already have a wealth of good tools, and this kick on top of their already solid arsenal makes certain players annoying as all hell to deal with.

I don't see why GSP shouldn't have it just because he has other tools. He's considered the GOAT for a reason and he's a karateka. Unibot sidekick spamming with him is annoying as piss though, I do agree. It does seem to track lateral movement a bit too well, trying to dodge it feels inconsistent and it can't be caught.

[burningxspirit]

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[*]Front side body kick is overpowered. It comes out fast, is hard to punish, can't be caught, and only inflicts minor stamina drain on whiff. Tracks lateral movement exceedingly well. The only counter is lunges, which the opponent can condition you into doing to bait you into a roundhouse head/body kick. Incoming nerf should help a little but I still don't think it'll be enough. Everyone from top 10 players to absolute scrublords are spamming this kick.

a simple step on the direction of the kicking leg works too as an alternative to lunging.

[RomeroXVII]

Re: Blocked front kicks sending you flying

Check lastest GPD patch spoilers. Side body kick is getting nerfed, but I suspect it might not be enough. And not all of us (GC'ers) agree to what extent it should be nerfed, or at all. So it's a little messy. Here's what I think about the pushing strikes personally:

• Teep is balanced. Can be caught and punished with a strike, trip, or takedown. Comes out fast but not unreasonably so. Can also be lunged.

• Jump spinning body kick is balanced. Cannot be caught but has a big startup and is easy to make whiff with a sidewalk or slight range discrepancy. Punishing to miss to many times due to stamina drain. Does the most damage.

• Arm shove (R2 + Square + X) is underpowered. The neutral standing shove barely creates any distance and is interrupted by lots of strikes. Very dangerous.

• Front side body kick is overpowered. It comes out fast, is hard to punish, can't be caught, and only inflicts minor stamina drain on whiff. Tracks lateral movement exceedingly well. The only counter is lunges, which the opponent can condition you into doing to bait you into a roundhouse head/body kick. Incoming nerf should help a little but I still don't think it'll be enough. Everyone from top 10 players to absolute scrublords are spamming this kick.

Yep, it's annoying, I got a fight on my channel against a tiresome Holly Holm player who's entire game plan revolved around the use of these kicks. There should be a specific range as to when it can push you back. If you're too close, it shouldn't push you back all the way.

Although, it's a good way to get somebody off you when they're trying to stay glued to you.

Now the speed of the knee elbow combo should be discussed as well, as well as fixing the tracking bug with kneed where it hits your head as you're trying to lunge it. Along with body strikes in general tracking when you time lunges.

[RomeroXVII]

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I don't see why GSP shouldn't have it just because he has other tools. He's considered the GOAT for a reason and he's a karateka. Unibot sidekick spamming with him is annoying as piss though, I do agree. It does seem to track lateral movement a bit too well, trying to dodge it feels inconsistent and it can't be caught.

Everybody here knows of my disdain for Conor McGregor, but I've seen him do this kick so many times it would be hypocritical of me to say he shouldn't have it because I simply don't want him to. Karate and Boxing background.

GSP is also a Black Belt Karateka in Kyokushin Karate, so it makes sense for him to have it. I don't think GSP has the lead side kick no? The rear one is much easier to lunge than the lead leg one.

I've been saying though, the tracking on body strikes have been inconsistent. Lunging away from body kicks doesn't work as well as intended, the punches will track you as you lunge away, and there's a solid chance that you get kneed in the head if you lunge to the side when somebody is throwing knees at you. (I've shown video to Martial as well)

I've gotten better at lunging in general, but MAN it irks me when things track when they are not supposed to.

[UFCBlackbelt]

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Everybody here knows of my disdain for Conor McGregor, but I've seen him do this kick so many times it would be hypocritical of me to say he shouldn't have it because I simply don't want him to. Karate and Boxing background.

GSP is also a Black Belt Karateka in Kyokushin Karate, so it makes sense for him to have it. I don't think GSP has the lead side kick no? The rear one is much easier to lunge than the lead leg one.

I've been saying though, the tracking on body strikes have been inconsistent. Lunging away from body kicks doesn't work as well as intended, the punches will track you as you lunge away, and there's a solid chance that you get kneed in the head if you lunge to the side when somebody is throwing knees at you. (I've shown video to Martial as well)

I've gotten better at lunging in general, but MAN it irks me when things track when they are not supposed to.

Ive watched all of gsps fights, i think he pulled off the lead side kick once in the condit match.

The majority of his wep is the jab, cross, overhand, superman jab/cross, lead hook, check hook, spinning roundhouse body and lead leg kick

I agree on knees