Why can people play like terminators

[Lauriedr1ver]

Re: Why can people play like terminators

Yep. These discussions help the devs alot but anyone acting as if a major change like movement was him and him alone is full of it.

Also keep in mind with all those discussions, we didnt get everything we wanted.

Agreed. We got a lot of what we wanted so I am happy, who is claiming it was all them, just to be clear if I am acting if it was me.

[aholbert32]

Re: Why can people play like terminators

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I take credit for helping fuel the fire not for the change itself. Anyone who posts here saw my countless daily posts on not just movement but outside fighting. Theres bugs in this game that not even you as bug testers have found. I wont mention them. I dont want them abused. At one point you could backsway body hooks.

Guess who found the bug and reported it to gcs? I did. And that would of been game breaking. Im not a bum. My understanding of this game is at a very high level. I give unbiased opinions even if they dont suit my play style. You said it yourself I was on here everyday. Remember berrys? Laughs aside the grappling is still a ways of with things we told and were teased with would be included. We cant even get one new ground position? Or knees from backside.


The community doesnt see gc chats. Just the results or lack there of. The games came a long ways and I do enjoy it now more than launch. But I will not buy and neither should anyone else if the proverbial can is continuing to be kicked down the road. The ones you imply not listening HATE my guts. But they do listen and are veteran gcs. Ill give you credit for outside fighting but youve mentioned lots of things failed to be implemented.


The community is the mouse and your dangling the cheese. I just dont like how a majority of your responses especially as an offline player commenting on online play issues are always a very anti player position. I dont doubt you mean well but you say things that makes your intent highly questionable.

So much wrong in this post:

GCs arent bug testers. Never have been. Never will be. Thats the job of QC not a game changer.

I cant even comprehend what you are trying to say in the 2nd paragraph.

Regarding who hates your guts or not, I say this will all honesty. I dont recall you or your username ever being discussed behind the scenes. Ever. I really only know you from your posting style. I have no idea who hates you or not. I havent seen anyone say anything like "1212 suggested X and I think you guys should take a look at it" or anything similar. Maybe you did "fuel the fire" and I missed it. I can identify several other people who have actually been the cause of certain changes here. Even people I'm not particularly fans of. You arent one of them.

Finally, I'm not anti player. Ever since I took part in the movement discussions back in the Spring, I pretty much fell back from discussing gameplay issues with the GCs. I focus more on AI, Ratings and offline modes discussions with the devs.

What I try to do here is pull back the curtain for people here. You think that most of the GCs support more stamina loss when your strikes are blocked. They dont. Most of them dont. They have reasons for why they dont that have been expressed to you and others. I was actually someone who in the summer brought the idea to the devs and the GCs and many of them panned it.

So when you continue to say that make that change and "BOOM Everyones happy" you are wrong because the very people you credit for doing a great job (and they are doing a great job) would be furious if that change was made. I'm just letting you guys know that.

Whats wild is something like that wouldnt be a difficult change. ****, I dont know for sure but I wouldnt be shocked if that can be done by tuner.

So why do you think that after 8-9 months and multiple patches that nothing has ever been changed about that? Why is stamina related to block strikes still the same? It aint because of me.

[aholbert32]

Re: Why can people play like terminators

Agreed. We got a lot of what we wanted so I am happy, who is claiming it was all them, just to be clear if I am acting if it was me.

Nah it aint you. You are one of the people who's name came up behind the scenes when these changes were discussed. Philly too. As for others......

[Haz_____]

Re: Why can people play like terminators

This is starting to drive me crazy.

I play every single day, and
Ill go literally days on end without losing once.

I don't even play ranked. I play quick fights, use the entire roster, and win or lose, go full sim and try to fight like how the fighter Im using would actually fight. I could truly care less about winning or losing. I could care less about some record, or being competitive. I could care less about any of that. All I care about is having fun-- and simulating some MMA.

Winning and losing has nothing to do with it.

The assumption that players who think throwing 150 strikes a round is goofy af, and extremely unrealistic, just don't know how to play is so shallow, and weak it's not even funny. It's nothing but a baseless assumption.

The exact same arguement was said when people were complaining about headmovement. "Oh youre just not doing it right, just duck n uppercut bro"... No. That mechanic was a mess at launch. Facts.

People who have an issue with the game arent automatically terrible, and don't know how to play. Please stop recycling that same tired assumption and derailing any real discussion, ad nauseam.

Now don't get me wrong, there's levels to this, and high level guys like Romero will smoke me. But I'll often go actual days without running into someone of that caliber.

The point-- is that this most common meta of how the vast majority of people play this game, is just simply not MMA. It's just not. And playing the same fight over and over and over gets boring fast. There's just not enough incentive to play any other way for the average player.

[Lauriedr1ver]

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Nah it aint you. You are one of the people who's name came up behind the scenes when these changes were discussed. Philly too. As for others......

You still havent responded to my PM ablut accuracy lol.

[aholbert32]

Re: Why can people play like terminators

You still havent responded to my PM ablut accuracy lol.

LOL. I keep forgetting. I swear to god. I looked at it at work yesterday and started to type a response and then work got crazy. I'll get to it this weekend.

[FadeawayJay]

Re: Why can people play like terminators

This is starting to drive me crazy.

I play every single day, and
Ill go literally days on end without losing once.

I don't even play ranked. I play quick fights, use the entire roster, and win or lose, go full sim and try to fight like how the fighter Im using would actually fight. I could truly care less about winning or losing. I could care less about some record, or being competitive. I could care less about any of that. All I care about is having fun, and simulating some MMA.

Winning and losing has nothing to do with it.

The assumption that players who think throwing 150 strikes a round is goofy af, and extremely unrealistic, just don't know how to play is so shallow, and weak it's not even funny. It's nothing but a baseless assumption.

The exact same arguement was said when people were complaining about headmovement. "Oh youre just not doing it right, just duck n uppercut bro"... No. That mechanic was a mess at launch. Facts.

People who have an issue with the game arent automatically terrible, and don't know how to play. Please stop recycling that same tired assumption and derailing any real discussion, ad nauseam.

Now don't get me wrong, there's levels to this, and high level guys like Romero will smoke me. But I'll often go actual days without running into someone of that caliber.

The point-- is that this most common meta of how the vast majority of people play this game, is just simply not MMA. It's just not. And playing the same fight over and over and over gets boring fast. There's just not enough incentive to play any other way for the average player.

Completely on board with you. But also, you're winning, and you're relatively high skilled, so the gameplay is pretty realistic. People who use these terminator tactics fight dumb. They fight as they would in real life. All in for the KO. That tactic works against fighters below their level - in game as well as in real life. You yourself want to simulate UFC fights, so you stick to your guns and play like the UFC fighters you watch do. Except you don't. If they (high level Pro's) were facing guys using these terminator tactics, they would fight completely differently than they do against the high IQ pro fighters you see them fight in the UFC, because the guys playing online are so predictable in their attacks. They would counter the **** out of them. And it seems you do. So if you're looking for realism, the game does a good job.

Now is the meta ugly and geared towards combos and pressure? Yes, and so is real life. That's how most people IRL fight. Not pro UFC fighters, but most PEOPLE. Pro UFC fighters have high fight IQ, and that is a stat you can't translate in to the game if a guy with no fight IQ is controlling him. That's pretty logical.

I am with you though. It's horrible. But I've come to realise that unless we sacrifice realism in the mechanics, we can't have it any other way. People will fight how they choose to fight. They can be punished for it, and it looks like you're able to. That's realistic. Does the fact that the game is realistic make for good and realistic looking UFC fights when playing online? No. Because players don't possess the fight IQ's of the fighters they're using.

I agree that the stamina is an issue. I hope we get a change in that, and even it out by having the block break faster. Both is more realistic. But it changes nothing in the grand scheme of things. The skilled outside striker will just KO the unskilled terminator faster with a good counter, and the skilled terminator will just KO the unskilled outside fighter faster by pressuring with combos.

[Phillyboi207]

Re: Why can people play like terminators

The vast majority of people will never play like real life MMA and they dont care to do so.

No different than vast majority of Madden or 2k players.

If you’re as good as the defensive tools as you say then you’d be gassing/finishing people in the 1st round. It’s that simple.

Your complaint is people throwing 150 strikes without gassing, right? That can only happen if you arent utilizing defensive tools. If the game was realistic you’d be finished just from all the strikes hitting your block in that round.

I’m also a sim player and would love for the game to head in that direction but at some point you gotta accept this game is not meant to be 100% sim.

[Haz_____]

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Completely on board with you. But again, you're winning. The gameplay is pretty realistic. People who use these tactics fight dumb. They fight as they would in real life. All in for the KO. That tactic works against fighters below their level - in game as well as in real life. You want to simulate fights, so you stick to your guns and play like the UFC fighters you watch do. Except you don't. If they were facing guys using these tactics, they would fight completely differently, because these guys are so predictable. They would counter the **** out of them. And it seems you do. So if you're looking for realism, the game does a good job.

Now is the meta ugly and geared towards combos and pressure? Yes, and so is real life. That's how most people IRL fight. Not pro UFC fighters, but most PEOPLE. Pro UFC fighters have high fight IQ, and that is a stat you can't translate in to the game.

I am with you though. It's horrible. But I've come to realise that unless we sacrifice realism in the mechanics, we can't have it any other way. People will fight how they choose to fight. They can be punished for it, and it looks like you're able too. That's realistic. Does the fact that the game is realistic make for good and realistic looking UFC fights? No. Because players don't possess the fight IQ's of the fighters they're using.

I agree that the stamina is an issue. I hope we get a change in that, and even it out by having the block break faster. Both is more realistic. But I changes nothing in the grand scheme of things. The skilled outside striker will just KO the unskilled terminator faster with a good counter, and the skilled terminator will just KO the unskilled outside fighter faster by pressuring with combos.

You've made some really interesting points, and observations in your recent few posts. Really great perspective, and great posts. You really have me thinking about my own perspective now, and I think you're probably on point with what you're saying here.

[Lauriedr1ver]

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LOL. I keep forgetting. I swear to god. I looked at it at work yesterday and started to type a response and then work got crazy. I'll get to it this weekend.

This weekend are you joking me.
Smh my head!!!!!!

[FadeawayJay]

Re: Why can people play like terminators

You've made some really interesting points, and observations in your recent few posts. Really great perspective, and great posts. You really have me thinking about my own perspective now, and I think you're probably on point with what you're saying here.

And it honestly depresses me a bit... As it essentially mean I'll never get the online experience I'm hoping for in an MMA game. From now on, I hope the devs go full realism on the mechanics - let it run how it does, as long as we're able to beat the BS tactics with defensive tools as we are now - and then add WAY more offline content and depth, and let that part of the game be where us sim-heads get our fix.

[Haz_____]

Re: Why can people play like terminators

The vast majority of people will never play like real life MMA and they dont care to do so.

No different than vast majority of Madden or 2k players.

If you’re as good as the defensive tools as you say then you’d be gassing/finishing people in the 1st round. It’s that simple.

Your complaint is people throwing 150 strikes without gassing, right? That can only happen if you arent utilizing defensive tools. If the game was realistic you’d be finished just from all the strikes hitting your block in that round.

I’m also a sim player and would love for the game to head in that direction but at some point you gotta accept this game is not meant to be 100% sim.

Here's my Youtube where I just upload a bunch of real fighter CAF Formulas, and also a bunch of 60 second clips of me playing. There's quite literally hundreds of examples of me surgically dismantling people.

https://m.youtube.com/channel/UCeigy_hborKTvYHo3mNU9WA

At no point am I letting guys just mindlessly attack a held up block........

You'll notice in maaany of the videos my opponent has almost no stamina left, and often I have tons.

The thing is, I play strictly 5 round fights, and my god, in some of these fights you have to go through a blazing inferno of non stop assault before you can even start to really open up. It takes serious hard work to drain these guys, and survive the onslaught.

It just gets boring fighting the same fight over and over and over to counter this play style..

And again, IN A VACUUM, I don't think you should even be able to throw that many strikes a round without serious repercussions. What counters are available is an entirely seperate arguement. I'm talking about the core fundemental mechanics governing how stamina works in this game, in a vacuum, before additional variables are added. And at it's core it's flawed imo.

[aholbert32]

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And it honestly depresses me a bit... As it essentially mean I'll never get the online experience I'm hoping for in an MMA game. From now on, I hope the devs go full realism on the mechanics - let it run how it does, as long as we're able to beat the BS tactics with defensive tools as we are now - and then add WAY more offline content and depth, and let that part of the game be where us sim-heads get our fix.

This. This a million times.

I'm not convinced that people who play online will ever be truly happy because the gameplay has to make too many types of people happy. It never will happen without sliders and there will never be sliders on ranked.

Offline is the only place you will be able to get any kind of consistent realistic play imo. Even with that said, there is much to work on there too.

[Lauriedr1ver]

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This. This a million times.

I'm not convinced that people who play online will ever be truly happy because the gameplay has to make too many types of people happy. It never will happen without sliders and there will never be sliders on ranked.

Offline is the only place you will be able to get any kind of consistent realistic play imo. Even with that said, there is much to work on there too.

Any chance you can get skynet to have a word with the fifa devs about the **** going on with fifa, think yourselfs lucky with this career mode as it works, fifas is broken.

[rabbitfistssaipailo]

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Any chance you can get skynet to have a word with the fifa devs about the **** going on with fifa, think yourselfs lucky with this career mode as it works, fifas is broken.

Good luck with that ...every one plays like maradona in that game .. . The average passing accuracy of a player has nothing to do with stats. It's more " arcadesque " than ever .



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