Thoughts on the jab feint- body cross

[RomeroXVII]

Re: Thoughts on the jab feint- body cross

And we have come full circle once again.

Sometimes I feel like standing on top of a mountain and screaming "****ING LISTEN TO ME NEXT TIME" but it's okay, i'll just pretend like this exact issue wasn't anticipated, warned about repeatedly, fixed but left with a loop hole that was ALSO warned about but ignored.

Yes, i know the comment above that you just read was childish as hell, but it gets REALLY frustrating seeing issues a year into the game, issues that flat out should've been eradicated early on without question.

When the game first dropped, the Jab to the head, followed by straight to the body was an issue... right from the start. There was zero doubt in my mind it would plague the online community and you know why? Because players in this game are copy cats with ZERO originality.

They watch videos, watch streams, and rather than simply apply the knowledge they learn to their OWN game, they simply try to mirror a specific successful player. Now everyone is running around like they are Edparker... fighting southpaw, shuffling their feet, throwing Jab feints into body straights, saying "Mate" and calling the opposition "Rat". It's like you fight one of them, you've fought them ALL.

My suggestion at the time was to KILL this combo while moving forward... Kill it COMPLETELY by either

A) Making it simply not flow together when thrown moving forward
B) Reduce the range on the straight to disallow chasing opponents

Rule B was implemented, BUT then a loop hole was left... I might need to lab it a bit, but i'm not even sure the feint is ACTUALLY speeding up the straight, i believe the feint is simply canceling rule B that was implemented. Go back and early footage of the game when the full on jab to the head, straight to the body was the main thing... it's thesame speed you see now.

The solution is simple.

KILL this combo, PERIOD!. Do not allow it under any circumstance... whether the player is loading the straight up after an actual jab, or a feint. Apply the rule that "reduces the range of a forward moving low punch IF the punch before was a forward moving high punch". Apply that rule to feints as well.

Or not.

Spot on. I always tell Parker look what he's created. A bunch of bootleg clones of him running around on ranked, and it is boring. It's an alternate version of bobblehead season in which nearly everybody has the same style, except now it's with the magnetic body straight.

[UFCBlackbelt]

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Spot on. I always tell Parker look what he's created. A bunch of bootleg clones of him running around on ranked, and it is boring. It's an alternate version of bobblehead season in which nearly everybody has the same style, except now it's with the magnetic body straight.

ALOT of edparkers on ranked, hes become the Conor of ea ufc, ironically enough. I actually think Advaita has a great style, I don’t see a lot of guys who fight with their backs against the cage comfortably nearly as much.

To Martial, if we match up expect me to use McGregor, , shuffle constantly, breathe heavily randomly, jab straight to he body and speak in an irish accent

[GrimLeiper]

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Sitting on the fence - only discovered discovered the combo myself over the last week.

I've noticed it working against the players who throw a lot of straights.

Is this not potentially a tool to deal with aggressive fighters?

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[ryangil23]

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There used to be some knee spammers not long after release as well. Then they slowed down blocking a few patches ago and now the knee spammers are back again. Lol. With and uncatchable side kicks you have to lunge around like a teleporting cartoon character.

[RomeroXVII]

Re: Thoughts on the jab feint- body cross

Sitting on the fence - only discovered discovered the combo myself over the last week.

I've noticed it working against the players who throw a lot of straights.

Is this not potentially a tool to deal with aggressive fighters?

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No not really. This benefits offensive fighters, because if you try to back up and get away, they'll just feint the jab and speed boost the straight magnetically. If you try to lunge, due to the body punch issues where they track lunges for some God forsaken reason, the shot will track you, rather than have them going right by.

There used to be some knee spammers not long after release as well. Then they slowed down blocking a few patches ago and now the knee spammers are back again. Lol. With and uncatchable side kicks you have to lunge around like a teleporting cartoon character.

Knees do less damage now to LTS, and I've learned practicing timing the catch does dividends.

With the uncatchable side kicks, something I've realized is so simple, and ironically was the reason they were made uncatchable, because they're pretty hard to land if you just circle. Seriously, move in a circle with the left stick to maintain the center of the octagon, and it'll miss ever so slightly it's hilarious. If you side step it with proper timing, you get a free hook that is almost guaranteed to rock them. I only suggest lunging when they're coming forward with the side kick, so that way they get planted against the cage.

[GrimLeiper]

Re: Thoughts on the jab feint- body cross

No not really. This benefits offensive fighters, because if you try to back up and get away, they'll just feint the jab and speed boost the straight magnetically. If you try to lunge, due to the body punch issues where they track lunges for some God forsaken reason, the shot will track you, rather than have them going right by.




Knees do less damage now to LTS, and I've learned practicing timing the catch does dividends.

With the uncatchable side kicks, something I've realized is so simple, and ironically was the reason they were made uncatchable, because they're pretty hard to land if you just circle. Seriously, move in a circle with the left stick to maintain the center of the octagon, and it'll miss ever so slightly it's hilarious. If you side step it with proper timing, you get a free hook that is almost guaranteed to rock them. I only suggest lunging when they're coming forward with the side kick, so that way they get planted against the cage.

If we could just fix the body punch/lunge issues, that would resolve a bigger problem whilst "nerfing" the jab feint, body straight.

Whilst I know exactly what you mean about the straight zipping across to land when doing the jab feint, rather than back out, if you do the R1+R2 retreat, that would evade the strike, no?

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[RomeroXVII]

Re: Thoughts on the jab feint- body cross

If we could just fix the body punch/lunge issues, that would resolve a bigger problem whilst "nerfing" the jab feint, body straight.

Whilst I know exactly what you mean about the straight zipping across to land when doing the jab feint, rather than back out, if you do the R1+R2 retreat, that would evade the strike, no?

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Yes, and then that ontop of the stamina used to avoid it, you likely have your back against the cage. It depends if the stamina disadvantage is worth it. If strikes could flow better off of the retreat, then we'd have something special.


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[ryangil23]

Re: Thoughts on the jab feint- body cross

No not really. This benefits offensive fighters, because if you try to back up and get away, they'll just feint the jab and speed boost the straight magnetically. If you try to lunge, due to the body punch issues where they track lunges for some God forsaken reason, the shot will track you, rather than have them going right by.




Knees do less damage now to LTS, and I've learned practicing timing the catch does dividends.

With the uncatchable side kicks, something I've realized is so simple, and ironically was the reason they were made uncatchable, because they're pretty hard to land if you just circle. Seriously, move in a circle with the left stick to maintain the center of the octagon, and it'll miss ever so slightly it's hilarious. If you side step it with proper timing, you get a free hook that is almost guaranteed to rock them. I only suggest lunging when they're coming forward with the side kick, so that way they get planted against the cage.

Do the little sidesteps work for avoiding side kicks and front kicks? The ones where you flick the left stick I mean.

[RomeroXVII]

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Do the little sidesteps work for avoiding side kicks and front kicks? The ones where you flick the left stick I mean.

Yep, although I prefer slipping front kicks than trying to side step them. Side stepping side kicks work better though. What I do now is simply circle rather than try to time a side step, unless I am absolutely sure it's coming. They should reduce the push back on a blocked side kick.

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[ryangil23]

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Yep, although I prefer slipping front kicks than trying to side step them. Side stepping side kicks work better though. What I do now is simply circle rather than try to time a side step, unless I am absolutely sure it's coming. They should reduce the push back on a blocked side kick.

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I normally circle if I'm on the back foot or lunge but if I'm trying to pressure then I think the sidestep might work better. I'll have to try it though. Circling could probably still work naturally as I cut off the cage anyway.

[LoveThisLife]

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Have you ever fought before? Sparred? Genuine question. Feinting is ever so prevalent in fighting and is literally done in all fights. It shouldn't cost that much in game to feint. What should be dealt with is the SPEED up from the feints.

Yes, I currently fight irl. I am not sure where you read that I did not think that feinting was not an essential part of fighting (and frankly... my personal fight life has nothing to do with it).

WHAT I DID SAY is that feinting should tax your stamina a bit more. And of course there should be no "speed boost" from feinting.


And in response to another one of your posts to me regarding players vs devs... I will point the finger as I see fit. Nothing you can say will change that. This is an MMA game not a K1 striking game.

I criticize because I love the sport and want to see an accurate representation of it (somewhat like American Football fans have with Madden... or better yet the NFL2K series).

[MartialMind]

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Yes, I currently fight irl. I am not sure where you read that I did not think that feinting was not an essential part of fighting (and frankly... my personal fight life has nothing to do with it).

WHAT I DID SAY is that feinting should tax your stamina a bit more. And of course there should be no "speed boost" from feinting.


And in response to another one of your posts to me regarding players vs devs... I will point the finger as I see fit. Nothing you can say will change that. This is an MMA game not a K1 striking game.

I criticize because I love the sport and want to see an accurate representation of it (somewhat like American Football fans have with Madden... or better yet the NFL2K series).

If i disagreed more and harder with that, i'd have an Aneurysm.

[ryangil23]

Re: Thoughts on the jab feint- body cross

Certain feints should speed up the strike after it since you could use the momentum you got from feinting.

[Lauriedr1ver]

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If i disagreed more and harder with that, i'd have an Aneurysm.

Tbh feinting on this game just isnt right, due to the lack of power of anything.

[1212headkick]

Re: Thoughts on the jab feint- body cross

I dont like how early the animations cancel i want to 'sell' more of my techniques. People dont really bite on feints