Circling Out --- Sprint Option For UFC 4

[aholbert32]

Re: Circling Out --- Sprint Option For UFC 4

It's ironic because you are deflecting onto me what you should be doing.

This whole thread has been you repeating comp will complain about 'running' and presenting their ideas. You aren't going to discords now and presenting this OS 'majority sim' position on adding balanced lateral sprint.

Ahhh...because I've done that before. See I'm not scared to present my arguments. Ive argued with comp players for actual days (like actual days) over everything from movement to stat tiers to head movement. Directly. I've argued with every comp GC about elements of the game. I dont hide out like you do.

So I dont need to do that. In fact, those arguments while not convincing me that they were right, led me to at least acknowledge their perspective.

I've put in the work. You havent. You love to repeat yourself here. No one is going to really challenge you. You would ****ing collapse if more than one person shouted you down. I can tell just from how you are here.

You are flat out terrified because you may find out you are wrong. You may find out that comp players dont want what you want and they dont give a **** about your compromise. Or maybe I'm wrong. Either way, stop being scared and go find out. But you wont.

You will repeat yourself or say "why dont you do it" because you know deep down you are scared of the confrontation. So go ahead and repeat your self again. LOL.

[johnmangala]

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Ahhh...because I've done that before. See I'm not scared to present my arguments. Ive argued with comp players for actual days (like actual days) over everything from movement to stat tiers to head movement. Directly. I've argued with every comp GC about elements of the game. I dont hide out like you do.

So I dont need to do that. In fact, those arguments while not convincing me that they were right, led me to at least acknowledge their perspective.

I've put in the work. You havent. You love to repeat yourself here. No one is going to really challenge you. You would ****ing collapse if more than one person shouted you down. I can tell just from how you are here.

You are flat out terrified because you may find out you are wrong. You may find out that comp players dont want what you want and they dont give a **** about your compromise. Or maybe I'm wrong. Either way, stop being scared and go find out. But you wont.

You will repeat yourself or say "why dont you do it" because you know deep down you are scared of the confrontation. So go ahead and repeat your self again. LOL.

So because you have done it before you don't need to now? I'm not a GC, or a ranked/esfl player, you said earlier you don't want to present your ideas to comp because they disagree. I discussed what your present for them, but you make it about arguing. You continuously relent to comp positions and compromise progress in offline and quick match. You say I am poor at arguing- how would my poor arguments convince elite players? So why haven't you presented this lateral sprint to comp?

You can be impartial and present this 'sim majority' OS position, with all the support providing by everyone. If you really thought they could reasonable (something you admit you aren't with me) about it, you know you could present these ideas better than me. It's in your domain as a GC.

[aholbert32]

Re: Circling Out --- Sprint Option For UFC 4

So because you have done it before you don't need to now? I'm not a GC, or a ranked/esfl player, you said earlier you don't want to present your ideas to comp because they disagree. I discussed what your present for them, but you make it about arguing. You continuously relent to comp positions and compromise progress in offline and quick match. You say I am poor at arguing- how would my poor arguments convince elite players? So why haven't you presented this lateral sprint to comp?

You can be impartial and present this 'sim majority' OS position, with all the support providing by everyone. If you really thought they could reasonable (something you admit you aren't with me) about it, you know you could present these ideas better than me. It's in your domain as a GC.

Thats another lie. I never said that.

Why do you keep adding responsibilities for me as a GC? As I explained to you days ago, my only responsibility is to give my direct feedback to the devs and to participate in their events...thats it. Its not my job to present your arguments. Its not my job to even talk to you. ****, most of the GCs dont even have a presence here.

You are poor at arguing but you seem to like to do it. So do it with them.

You believe that more than sim players want lateral sprinting? Prove it and come back with the evidence. Stop being scared.

[johnmangala]

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Thats another lie. I never said that.

Why do you keep adding responsibilities for me as a GC? As I explained to you days ago, my only responsibility is to give my direct feedback to the devs and to participate in their events...thats it. Its not my job to present your arguments. Its not my job to even talk to you. ****, most of the GCs dont even have a presence here.

You are poor at arguing but you seem to like to do it. So do it with them.

You believe that more than sim players want lateral sprinting? Prove it and come back with the evidence. Stop being scared.

You can stop being rude and disingenuous. You said you don't like arguing with me because it's not fun for you. That I am 'inflexible' isn't fun for you. Meanwhile... comp players are being 'inflexible' on 'running'.

You said I am poor at arguing, then my poor arguments wouldn't convince them if it's that bad. Meanwhile, you as the superior presenter can be impartial and present the OS 'majority sim' position on adding lateral sprint to comp, since you want what we want here on this anyway.

[1212headkick]

Re: Circling Out --- Sprint Option For UFC 4

https://www.reddit.com/r/EASportsUFC...sure_fighters/

https://www.reddit.com/r/EASportsUFC...sure_fighters/

https://www.reddit.com/r/EASportsUFC...much_constant/

https://www.reddit.com/r/EASportsUFC...game_gets_for/

https://www.reddit.com/r/EASportsUFC...sure_fighting/

Stop ignoring the elephant in the room. We could post all the hard facts community statements and real life examples and it will NEVER help. You cant talk to someone unwilling to listen

[1212headkick]

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https://www.reddit.com/r/EASportsUFC...sure_fighters/

ChewieHanKenobi 6 points 1 year ago
When people spar in real life there are a lot more options then what this game provides. If the evasive methods they offer aren't sufficient then its not always on the player

10-7 outside fighting

[Lauriedr1ver]

Re: Circling Out --- Sprint Option For UFC 4

https://www.reddit.com/r/EASportsUFC...sure_fighters/

ChewieHanKenobi 6 points 1 year ago
When people spar in real life there are a lot more options then what this game provides. If the evasive methods they offer aren't sufficient then its not always on the player

10-7 outside fighting

What's the purpose of this post? Basically all the comments are trying to give advice on how to deal with pressure rather than a discussion about changing game mechanics. Literally most of the thread is telling him to plant and slip straight/block break.

[Lauriedr1ver]

Re: Circling Out --- Sprint Option For UFC 4

https://www.reddit.com/r/EASportsUFC...sure_fighters/

https://www.reddit.com/r/EASportsUFC...sure_fighters/

https://www.reddit.com/r/EASportsUFC...much_constant/

https://www.reddit.com/r/EASportsUFC...game_gets_for/

https://www.reddit.com/r/EASportsUFC...sure_fighting/

Stop ignoring the elephant in the room. We could post all the hard facts community statements and real life examples and it will NEVER help. You cant talk to someone unwilling to listen

Read the threads, the first 3 are people just hating on the game or giving advice.

The last thread is the most interesting where a post saying fighting of the back foot is easier and pressure is trash, it also has 1 less like than the post itself does.


All of these are old posts as well, post some new ones imo and actual talk about game mechanics with other people.

[1212headkick]

Re: Circling Out --- Sprint Option For UFC 4

Read the threads, the first 3 are people just hating on the game or giving advice.

The last thread is the most interesting where a post saying fighting of the back foot is easier and pressure is trash, it also has 1 less like than the post itself does.


All of these are old posts as well, post some new ones imo and actual talk about game mechanics with other people.

Every single thread they say the tools arent enough...."imo" you should stop being ignorant and pay attention. All are from the last 6 months after the patch cycle

[Lauriedr1ver]

Re: Circling Out --- Sprint Option For UFC 4

Every single thread they say the tools arent enough...."imo" you should stop being ignorant and pay attention. All are from the last 6 months after the patch cycle

But the comments don't talk about it at all, there is no further discussion about it. I'm not being ignorant, your the one being ignorant for refusing to listen.

[BigMOMMA]

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[1212headkick]

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But the comments don't talk about it at all, there is no further discussion about it. I'm not being ignorant, your the one being ignorant for refusing to listen.

Yes they do

[Lauriedr1ver]

Re: Circling Out --- Sprint Option For UFC 4

Yes they do

Do you want me to quote it at all and show you its not or are you just going to be ignorant? Honeslty make a new post and incage with those who disagree, it's really that simple.

[aholbert32]

Re: Circling Out --- Sprint Option For UFC 4

Read the threads, the first 3 are people just hating on the game or giving advice.

The last thread is the most interesting where a post saying fighting of the back foot is easier and pressure is trash, it also has 1 less like than the post itself does.


All of these are old posts as well, post some new ones imo and actual talk about game mechanics with other people.

LOL. He's not reading the posts. He's searching for "pressure fighting" threads and posting the link. The closest he gets to a thread that supports his theory is the 4th one where the OP says:

"Movement is another issue that doesn’t get brought up. It’s too easy to pressure opponents into the cage. They introduced the lunge, but it’s way too stamina-draining and risky to use more then a few times a fight. Not to mention the double-lunge bug they said they fixed but didn’t. Another issue is the fact that 90% of the characters move more or less the same. Their’s very few characters who have noticeably different movement (notably Cruz). Their’s quite a few guys who have great movement but you wouldn’t know it playing this game."

This is a valid point. What sucks is that only one other post even addresses movement in that thread. This is an ESFL guy:

I used to be a counter fighter and loved to create space and land shots, but I sadly had to adapt to the meta of pressure and block breaking recently.

The 5th thread actually has more comments disagreeing with the OP about "pressure fighting" and showing people how to beat it:

"Pressure fighting is ****. Moving backwards is far better its easier to get standing shots off first."

"Exactly. Small fighters like Andrade get rekt in so they need to get off the damage close, but this game is so biased towards fighting off the backfoot its a challenge."

"Weird how I dont have any of these problems. Its easier to KO someone if they're actually willing to come forward and bang."

My question is if what he says is true ("Comp fighters all want more movement tools") should it be this hard to find comments supporting it?

For example, it took me less than 5 minutes to find 10 comments complaining about running from the last week in the ESFL discord. If I wanted to take my time, I could find 100 plus with no problem.

If I wanted to prove that sim fighters have issues with the lack of stamina drain or the high number of strikes, I could find hundreds of posts on OS in minutes.

But if I flipped that, it would be much harder. I wouldnt be able to find a large number of people here complaining about running just like I wont be able to find alot of people at the ESFL discord complaining about pressure fighting.

[Lauriedr1ver]

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LOL. He's not reading the posts. He's searching for "pressure fighting" threads and posting the link. The closest he gets to a thread that supports his theory is the 4th one where the OP says:

"Movement is another issue that doesn’t get brought up. It’s too easy to pressure opponents into the cage. They introduced the lunge, but it’s way too stamina-draining and risky to use more then a few times a fight. Not to mention the double-lunge bug they said they fixed but didn’t. Another issue is the fact that 90% of the characters move more or less the same. Their’s very few characters who have noticeably different movement (notably Cruz). Their’s quite a few guys who have great movement but you wouldn’t know it playing this game."

This is a valid point. What sucks is that only one other post even addresses movement in that thread. This is an ESFL guy:

I used to be a counter fighter and loved to create space and land shots, but I sadly had to adapt to the meta of pressure and block breaking recently.

The 5th thread actually has more comments disagreeing with the OP about "pressure fighting" and showing people how to beat it:

"Pressure fighting is ****. Moving backwards is far better its easier to get standing shots off first."

"Exactly. Small fighters like Andrade get rekt in so they need to get off the damage close, but this game is so biased towards fighting off the backfoot its a challenge."

"Weird how I dont have any of these problems. Its easier to KO someone if they're actually willing to come forward and bang."

My question is if what he says is true ("Comp fighters all want more movement tools") should it be this hard to find comments supporting it?

For example, it took me less than 5 minutes to find 10 comments complaining about running from the last week in the ESFL discord. If I wanted to take my time, I could find 100 plus with no problem.

If I wanted to prove that sim fighters have issues with the lack of stamina drain or the high number of strikes, I could find hundreds of posts on OS in minutes.

But if I flipped that, it would be much harder. I wouldnt be able to find a large number of people here complaining about running just like I wont be able to find alot of people at the ESFL discord complaining about pressure fighting.

I mean it's really this easy to read, read the ****ing threads and the comments, it's not hard at all. Thanks Aholbert.