Circling Out --- Sprint Option For UFC 4

[johnmangala]

Re: Circling Out --- Sprint Option For UFC 4

John wtf are you talkin about now?

This game is clearly balanced between sim,comp, and casual as it is. You’re saying sim is being ignored because you arent getting everything you want.

Each group could complain of the same thing. Take a step back and try to be reasonable. Look at the direction the game is heading. It’s become more realistic with each version. So clearly we are being listened to at some level.

So balanced LOL. Right that's why the devs found a 'middle ground' by not having circling at all to appease comp. So balanced.

Well, the devs gave us movement buffs, UFC 3 is so much better than 2 because of realistic additions. They do try to cater to us somewhat as well. They try to keep everyone happy. Admittedly, we had to argue really hard for all of that. It wasn't easy. I agree, competitive players have pull and casuals bring in money. We don't fit in either of these categories. That's true. What we can try to do though, is convince the casuals that what we want will be beneficial for the game and for them also. Like it or not, that's what we can do.

This is what you are missing. It's a divide and conquer tactic...

How exactly? Reddit is majority casual, esfl/discord/Twitter is mostly comp. Both have pull.

The thing about the realism additions is devs already mentioned they are only added if there is concession. Everyone wanted body 1212 gone, everyone wanted head movement fixes.. so it happened. When sim majority on OS wants sim stamina... We need consensus.

When comp doesn't like running... Devs oblige and find the 'middle ground' (LOL) by having no circling at all.

When casuals like arcade stamina.. devs will oblige, no need for consensus. Just majority.

So for example our complaint on stamina. According to devs casuals like arcade stamina. They have pull there is no convincing.. I wouldve thought showing how majority opinion is respected on reddit, esfl etc... But when it comes to sim majority on OS we need consensus... I know you see the discrepancy even if you don't want to.

[1212headkick]

Re: Circling Out --- Sprint Option For UFC 4

The devs need to read how forbes recently bashed them hard for the game not being realistic.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/brianmazique/2019/04/04/ea-sports-ufc-4-is-in-the-works-and-heres-what-it-needs-to-be-better-than-its-predecessor/

I honestly dont believe the gc program works for a game like ufc. We need test servers and dev play days. The sports too complex for you to middleman our thoughts. You guys try though we just dont get what we need

[Kingslayer04]

Re: Circling Out --- Sprint Option For UFC 4

@aholbert32, I can't do it alone. There needs to be a structured post, listing reasoning, actual suggestions, benefits for the casuals, potential cons for the casuals, perspective, how the devs operate currently (comp influence, etc.) It has to be thought through, worded well. I can't do it alone. I'm just trying to direct people in the Reddit way, otherwise we're wasting our time. I realise that much.

@johnmangala, last response: mate, I like your ideas. Every time I watch Thompson I'm like "man, strafing needs to be in there". I believe aholbert also does. It's not up to him, though. He isn't fighting you. He isn't blocking your ideas. We just need to ramp it up outside of OS if we want to have a chance. That is all.

[aholbert32]

Re: Circling Out --- Sprint Option For UFC 4

So explain.

Why would comp complain if circling were not in ranked just quick fight and offline? I give ideas but you ignore them because they go against your agenda.

Same thing with L3 for sprinting... He only responds to ideas of mine he can easily dismiss.

He doesn't want to credit me with any ideas and it's sad to see how hard he tries to marginalize me.

I actually have some free time because a meeting got cancelled so Ill play along. I actually thought about this question when you posted a day ago but I was having so much fun clowning you that I decided not to respond.

No comp wouldnt complain if it was limited to quick fight and offline because they only play ranked. Thats an obvious answer that didnt require you even asking.

The problem is that devs typically dont separate out gameplay elements like movement or moves from one mode. I actually cant think of one scenario where they have done that. Its not the same as having stamina drain or power different in those modes.

I normally would dig deeper and see if other sports games have ever done anything similar to what you are suggesting but I dont particularly enjoy discussing the game with you so I'll stop right here.

Now back to clowning you. I dont credit your ideas because I have no evidence that shows that you are responsible for any additions to the game. I'm not lying to you. In 4 years, you were mentioned once behind the scenes. 1 time back in 2015 and it had nothing to do with your ideas.

As I stated before, that doesnt prove that you didnt play a role in some addition. I just know that since 2014, GC's and Devs have regularly posted OS threads in our chat to discuss amongst ourselves. Many of the people who post here have had their threads discussed.....except you.

[1212headkick]

Re: Circling Out --- Sprint Option For UFC 4

I actually have some free time because a meeting got cancelled so Ill play along. I actually thought about this question when you posted a day ago but I was having so much fun clowning you that I decided not to respond.

No comp wouldnt complain if it was limited to quick fight and offline because they only play ranked. Thats an obvious answer that didnt require you even asking.

The problem is that devs typically dont separate out gameplay elements like movement or moves from one mode. I actually cant think of one scenario where they have done that. Its not the same as having stamina drain or power different in those modes.

I normally would dig deeper and see if other sports games have ever done anything similar to what you are suggesting but I dont particularly enjoy discussing the game with you so I'll stop right here.

Now back to clowning you. I dont credit your ideas because I have no evidence that shows that you are responsible for any additions to the game. I'm not lying to you. In 4 years, you were mentioned once behind the scenes. 1 time back in 2015 and it had nothing to do with your ideas.

As I stated before, that doesnt prove that you didnt play a role in some addition. I just know that since 2014, GC's and Devs have regularly posted OS threads in our chat to discuss amongst ourselves. Many of the people who post here have had their threads discussed.....except you.

You represent ea. You have no business clowning anyone and again that just shows the disconnect between us and the gcs. Dont be toxic. People here are passionate that stands for something

[aholbert32]

Re: Circling Out --- Sprint Option For UFC 4

@aholbert32, I can't do it alone. There needs to be a structured post, listing reasoning, actual suggestions, benefits for the casuals, potential cons for the casuals, perspective, how the devs operate currently (comp influence, etc.) It has to be thought through, worded well. I can't do it alone. I'm just trying to direct people in the Reddit way, otherwise we're wasting our time. I realise that much.

Here's whats funny to me. JM's initial posts are actually pretty good. He lays out what he wants added, he provides support through gifs and sometimes he even states what input could be used. Those are examples of the type of posts that would be perfect for Reddit or other forums.

His problem is the followup posts. He struggles when people challenge or question his initial idea. He gets frustrated when people dont just flat out agree with them. Thats part of the reason why alot of his ideas go nowhere. Its also likely the reason why he is only willing to post here. On a bigger platform, you have to debate more people and there are likely more people who may dislike the idea. I dont think he can handle that.

I'll say this: You want to get an idea in the game for launch....THE TIME IS NOW. Like right now. If the game drops around the time it did last year, that means that there is maybe 6 mos or so (if that) before the retail version is locked.

[Kingslayer04]

Re: Circling Out --- Sprint Option For UFC 4

You represent ea. You have no business clowning anyone and again that just shows the disconnect between us and the gcs. Dont be toxic. People here are passionate that stands for something

I gotta agree, no need to be condescending. There are better ways to handle this.

[johnmangala]

Re: Circling Out --- Sprint Option For UFC 4

@johnmangala, ladt response: mate, I like your ideas. Every time I watch Thompson I'm like "man, strafing needs to be in there". I believe aholbert also does. It's not up to him, though. He isn't fighting you. He isn't blocking your ideas. We just need to ramp it up outside of OS if we want to have a chance. That is all.

Again you are not understanding... They ask sim for consensus. Majority is good enough for comp and casuals.

I actually have some free time because a meeting got cancelled so Ill play along. I actually thought about this question when you posted a day ago but I was having so much fun clowning you that I decided not to respond.

No comp wouldnt complain if it was limited to quick fight and offline because they only play ranked. Thats an obvious answer that didnt require you even asking.

The problem is that devs typically dont separate out gameplay elements like movement or moves from one mode. I actually cant think of one scenario where they have done that. Its not the same as having stamina drain or power different in those modes.

I normally would dig deeper and see if other sports games have ever done anything similar to what you are suggesting but I dont particularly enjoy discussing the game with you so I'll stop right here.

Now back to clowning you. I dont credit your ideas because I have no evidence that shows that you are responsible for any additions to the game. I'm not lying to you. In 4 years, you were mentioned once behind the scenes. 1 time back in 2015 and it had nothing to do with your ideas.

As I stated before, that doesnt prove that you didnt play a role in some addition. I just know that since 2014, GC's and Devs have regularly posted OS threads in our chat to discuss amongst ourselves. Many of the people who post here have had their threads discussed.....except you.

Here's whats funny to me. JM's initial posts are actually pretty good. He lays out what he wants added, he provides support through gifs and sometimes he even states what input could be used. Those are examples of the type of posts that would be perfect for Reddit or other forums.

His problem is the followup posts. He struggles when people challenge or question his initial idea. He gets frustrated when people dont just flat out agree with them. Thats part of the reason why alot of his ideas go nowhere. Its also likely the reason why he is only willing to post here. On a bigger platform, you have to debate more people and there are likely more people who may dislike the idea. I dont think he can handle that.

I'll say this: You want to get an idea in the game for launch....THE TIME IS NOW. Like right now. If the game drops around the time it did last year, that means that there is maybe 6 mos or so (if that) before the retail version is locked.

This is what I am saying, if you were anyone else you'd be banned for harrassment and bullying. You derail ideas of people you don't like. I know for a fact if someone like phily posted the L3 idea you would've praised it and brought it up to devs. But because it's me you waste time trying to trivilize my feedback. It's unbelievably Petty and the fact you stoop so low shows much I am in your head if you have to try to discredit me so hard.

So that's my point. If they won't complain so what's the problem with adding it to offline/quick fight. You said there hasn't been excluded techniques just stats... That brings me to another point you ignored.. circling falls in line with things like doc stoppages, sliders, rng etc. So those features can be exclusive to offline and quick fight.

Now what's the problem with L3 as the sprinting input? It's more accessible and you asked for consensus. I'd imagine most people don't like the input for sprint now double flick towards as it's clunky. So there's you idea that everyone agrees with.. I followed your criteria, so why ignore this idea?

[aholbert32]

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You represent ea. You have no business clowning anyone and again that just shows the disconnect between us and the gcs. Dont be toxic. People here are passionate that stands for something

I represent myself. I dont represent EA in anyway. I'm affiliated with a group that assists EA in making a game. Thats it.

I will clown him, you or anyone else as long as its within the rules of this site.

The disconnect has nothing to do with me clowning him. The disconnect comes from the tunnel vision view many people (including yourself) have when it comes to the game. Work on that and I bet you see more interaction from the GCs.

[aholbert32]

Re: Circling Out --- Sprint Option For UFC 4

Again you are not understanding...





This is what I am saying, if you were anyone else you'd be bannded for harrassment and bullying. You derail ideas of people you don't like. I know for a fact if someone like phily posted the L3 idea you would've praised it and brought it up to devs. But because it's me you waste time trying to trivilize my feedback. It's unbelievably Petty and the fact you stoop so low shows much I am in your head if you have to try to discredit me so hard.

So that's my point. If they won't complain so what's the problem with adding it to offline/quick fight. You said there hasn't been excluded techniques just stats... That brings me to another point you ignored.. circling falls in line with things like doc stoppages, sliders, rng etc. So those features can be exclusive to offline and quick fight.

Now what's the problem with L3 as the sprinting input? It's more accessible and you asked for consensus. I'd imagine most people don't like the input for sprint now double flick towards as it's clunky. So there's you idea that everyone agrees with.. I followed your criteria, so why ignore this idea?

Come on man. "In my head". Even you know thats not true. I dont respond to you man. I dont. Look at our history. I tend to ignore your posts. ****, I tried to at the beginning of this thread but you want attention so I agve it to you.

You wouldnt be banned. I'm a former admin here. I know the rules. I've attacked your posts and the fact that you have a ridiculously high opinion of your contribution to the game. That isnt against the TOS. I'm only addressing you when you reply to me. You want me to stop "harrassing" you, stop replying to me. Easy.

If Philli or anyone else other than a select few (you know who you are) posted your idea, I wouldve responded, brought up the point about how movement and moves arent typically separated by mode and we wouldve had a very civil convo. We would agree or disagree and move on like we always do. I respect his (and others ability) to debate and I enjoy doing it. I just dont enjoy doing it with you.

So I wont. You can post it a billion times and I will just ignore it and address others here.

[johnmangala]

Re: Circling Out --- Sprint Option For UFC 4

Come on man. "In my head". Even you know thats not true. I dont respond to you man. I dont. Look at our history. I tend to ignore your posts. ****, I tried to at the beginning of this thread but you want attention so I agve it to you.

You wouldnt be banned. I'm a former admin here. I know the rules. I've attacked your posts and the fact that you have a ridiculously high opinion of your contribution to the game. That isnt against the TOS. I'm only addressing you when you reply to me. You want me to stop "harrassing" you, stop replying to me. Easy.

If Philli or anyone else other than a select few (you know who you are) posted your idea, I wouldve responded, brought up the point about how movement and moves arent typically separated by mode and we wouldve had a very civil convo. We would agree or disagree and move on like we always do. I respect his (and others ability) to debate and I enjoy doing it. I just dont enjoy doing it with you.

So I wont. You can post it a billion times and I will just ignore it and address others here.

This is case in point example of discrimination. You just conceded that you promote ideas of people you enjoy debating.. it has nothing to do with the idea itself it's about how you feel about others.. that's unprofessional.

You are harrassing and bullying me because I am just trying to discuss the arguments and you keep bringing it back to me and insult me by saying no one appreciates my ideas.

I already told you there's things like doc stoppages, sliders, rng etc that can be exclusive to offline and quick fight. But of course you ignored that point because it goes against you agenda and you don't want to give me any credit.

What about L3 as the input for sprinting? It's more accessible than double flick towards and you asked for an idea everyone agrees on. Here's that idea, whats the reason to ignore this now?

[Kingslayer04]

Re: Circling Out --- Sprint Option For UFC 4

Here's whats funny to me. JM's initial posts are actually pretty good. He lays out what he wants added, he provides support through gifs and sometimes he even states what input could be used. Those are examples of the type of posts that would be perfect for Reddit or other forums.

His problem is the followup posts. He struggles when people challenge or question his initial idea. He gets frustrated when people dont just flat out agree with them. Thats part of the reason why alot of his ideas go nowhere. Its also likely the reason why he is only willing to post here. On a bigger platform, you have to debate more people and there are likely more people who may dislike the idea. I dont think he can handle that.

I'll say this: You want to get an idea in the game for launch....THE TIME IS NOW. Like right now. If the game drops around the time it did last year, that means that there is maybe 6 mos or so (if that) before the retail version is locked.

Lol, maybe that can be said about me too. There's only one specific suggestion, or actually - feature, regarding realism that I've given that I can think of - the one about TKOs. I can defend that one. The rest is more general. I'm just a player after all, I don't obsessively look at frames, data, etc. That, of course, doesn't mean I don't know what's happening in the game, how most things work, what's absolutely not realistic and all that. It doesn't mean I'm wrong. But I don't have the game down to a science like the competitive players do. That's why I say that I'd like to see the devs working towards the realistic end, which I'm sure they can do. But perhaps others can contribute more in these areas than I can. That's why I say I can't do it alone. But even if I did have it down to a science, I still couldn't do it alone.

[aholbert32]

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This is case in point example of discrimination. You just conceded that you promote ideas of people you enjoy debating.. it has nothing to do with the idea itself it's about how you feel about others.. that's unprofessional.

You are harrassing and bullying me because I am just trying to discuss the arguments and you keep bringing it back to me and insult me by saying no one appreciates my ideas.

I already told you there's things like doc stoppages, sliders, rng etc that can be exclusive to offline and quick fight. But of course you ignored that point because it goes against you agenda and you don't want to give me any credit.

What about L3 as the input for sprinting? It's more accessible than double flick towards and you asked for an idea everyone agrees on. Here's that idea, whats the reason to ignore this now?

No I didnt. I said I would "discuss" that idea with Philly. You really have to focus on the words I'm actually using not the ones you want me to say. I've never used the word "promote."

Also, this isnt my profession. I have no obligation to be professional. I dont get paid to be a GC. My only responsibility as a GC is to discuss the game with the devs and give input to the devs. I dont have to talk to you or anyone at OS about the game. I'm not obligated to do anything related to this forum. I was named a GC because the devs liked the offline input I gave for UFC1. No one voted me in.

Thats the case with all GCs across the board. I cant recall ever seeing a Madden or Fifa or Live GC come to OS and regularly discuss issues with the game. Thats not a part of the position.

So I dont have to respond to your opinions or ideas about the game...and I wont. I will respond to anything I want to as long as you keep addressing me. You want it to stop...stop replying.

[johnmangala]

Re: Circling Out --- Sprint Option For UFC 4

No I didnt. I said I would "discuss" that idea with Philly. You really have to focus on the words I'm actually using not the ones you want me to say. I've never used the word "promote."

Also, this isnt my profession. I have no obligation to be professional. I dont get paid to be a GC. My only responsibility as a GC is to discuss the game with the devs and give input to the devs. I dont have to talk to you or anyone at OS about the game. I'm not obligated to do anything related to this forum. I was named a GC because the devs liked the offline input I gave for UFC1. No one voted me in.

Thats the case with all GCs across the board. I cant recall ever seeing a Madden or Fifa or Live GC come to OS and regularly discuss issues with the game. Thats not a part of the position.

So I dont have to respond to your opinions or ideas about the game...and I wont. I will respond to anything I want to as long as you keep addressing me. You want it to stop...stop replying.

This is the example of derailing. If anyone else were doing this they'd be banned. This discussion is about circling being added and you keep making it personal.

It's simple. You asked me for consensus. When I actually obliged you backed out. I brought you an idea that is in consensus. Most probably people do not like the input for sprinting now. I gave you what you asked for but since you don't like discussing with me you will ignore valid points.

What about L3 as the input for sprinting?

[aholbert32]

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This is the example of derailing. If anyone else were doing this they'd be banned. This discussion is about circling being added and you keep making it personal.

It's simple. You asked me for consensus. When I actually obliged you backed out. I brought you an idea that is in consensus. Most probably people do not like the input for sprinting now. I gave you what you asked for but since you don't like discussing with me you will ignore valid points.

What about L3 as the input for sprinting?

Correct. I will ignore all of your points regarding gameplay since I'm under no obligation to discuss gameplay with you. I am willing to discuss your alleged past contributions to the game though in a comical manner as long as you continue to directly address me.

Once you decide to no longer reply or address me in anyway, I will return to ignoring you as I have in the past.