Transition based submissions

[DCowboys22]

Re: Transition based submissions

Just the Stage 1 Wrist Control position alone would be a game changer.

Just being able to threaten an armbar from bottom guard with wrist control, but still be able to strike with your other arm (so can the defender BTW).

Layers of strategy everywhere.

Do you punch/elbow to soften up For next transition?

Do you try for 2 quick transitions to get Stage 1 and Stage 2(swing hips and legs into position) to catch the defender sleeping?

How about Stage 1 wrist control, then attempt a sweep into mount instead?

It’s all there in the transition system we have. Same modifiers and same directional denials.

[johnmangala]

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Well we saw that they revamped the clinch, that was more of a project than TBS.

Things that would need new animations for TBS:
Striking within subs
Major transitions
Movement

Things that can be repurposed:
Gates as positions
Transitions
Feints
Sub chaining
Sub cancel

So it's not as much new as you would think. It's mainly just striking within subs since I doubt theyll add movement or major transitions.

[johnmangala]

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Now that striking within subs is confirmed. I think were basically ready for TBS. I hope its something that can be done via patch since all the required details are already in game.

[johnmangala]

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This video is a good guide for TBS

[rabbitfistssaipailo]

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Perhaps in UFC 5 , 6 or another franchise . But not in 4 . Sadly enough. But eh let's be positive .

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[johnmangala]

Re: Transition based submissions

Perhaps in UFC 5 , 6 or another franchise . But not in 4 . Sadly enough. But eh let's be positive .

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Has TBS ever happened in another game? It's been years surprised this hasn't been done yet. EA has the opportunity to do something new and fresh. Hope it happens. It would be better for casuals than a mini game.

The mini game is the major complaint I see against subs for casuals. I made a thread about it on reddit and people wanted TBS. It was the most upvoted thread for that time.

[DCowboys22]

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I think that at this point, it’ll be something we can hope for on Next Gen systems.

I think, at the very LEAST, with the Haptic Feedback being a big part of Next Gen, they should be able to create a HUDless sub system based on feeling varying degrees of vibrations.

Same with Wrestling and Transitions. We should expect some nice development in the “Feel” of the game


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[johnmangala]

Re: Transition based submissions

I think that at this point, it’ll be something we can hope for on Next Gen systems.

I think, at the very LEAST, with the Haptic Feedback being a big part of Next Gen, they should be able to create a HUDless sub system based on feeling varying degrees of vibrations.

Same with Wrestling and Transitions. We should expect some nice development in the “Feel” of the game


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I think the TD mechanics are enough for subs to be HUDless. The rumble is already there.

The animations would be in a state of tug and war. The aggressor moves the the LS towards the animations transitioning. The defender moves against it on the RS. The camera should zoom and rotate to give a feel on how deep you are if the animations arent enough.

[rabbitfistssaipailo]

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But one thing you guys haven't talked about is submission defence in this proposed TBS system how would that work ?

Maybe it's been proposed too by you guys and I didn't read it.

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[johnmangala]

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But one thing you guys haven't talked about is submission defence in this proposed TBS system how would that work ?

Maybe it's been proposed too by you guys and I didn't read it.

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It would be pretty balanced. Both sub offense and defense is based on denials and transitions. So as the defender you try to transition out of subs and to lower stages of subs and deny the aggressors transitions to higher stages of subs. At the final stage the aggressor has to hold position for a certain period of time so as the defender it is important to transition back to lower stages of the submission.

[johnmangala]

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On Hudless submissions in the current system..

A camera rotation could be the mini game itself. You start with an aerial view of the sub animation. You rotate left or right and the camera will slightly shake when the aggressor and defender overlap indicating progress in the bar. The camera zoom tells you how deep you are.

[TheMostEerned]

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Thank you for making this thread bro. Im bringing this back, because we need this.

I dont even care about subs in this game, because its a mini game not related to the sport at all. The 10 gate system last game was bad too.

The action should be on the two fighters at all time.

The ideas presented are amazing, hope something can be done like this next game UFC 5, if there is a UFC 5.

The 1 or 2 transition sytem, then the squeeze or pressure stage by strategic button mashing is perfect.

First transition to trap, Second to position, Then the squeeze stage which is the most stamina heavy part, in which you can go for broke and drain yourself, or let it go etc.

[1212headkick]

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You could mix the simple subs and tbs together and make your denials easier depending on who hit the button more and each denial or transition could mean progressing or depressing the submission

[johnmangala]

Re: Transition based submissions

You could mix the simple subs and tbs together and make your denials easier depending on who hit the button more and each denial or transition could mean progressing or depressing the submission

Interesting so basically TBS with simple subs as the transition mechanic? I wouldn't mind. I think regular transitions or UD3 style transitions work best since it would still feel like another part of the grappling game than another mini game.

[TheMostEerned]

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Interesting so basically TBS with simple subs as the transition mechanic? I wouldn't mind. I think regular transitions or UD3 style transitions work best since it would still feel like another part of the grappling game than another mini game.

Why even have the fighters going thru the stages, if all were focused on is the mini game.

Like imagine when you went for a KO and a mini game popped up to either sub, follow up punch etc.

Why was the decision made to have a minigame anyways?