AI Logic

[The_Waterboy92]

Re: AI Logic

Okay. but I've never seen him try to takedown and ground game in real life. No matter how weak his opponent is... I think, AI is still not good.

I see your point there. I would counter with 2 things:
1) His fights rarely last a few minutes into the first round since his lost to Stipe and that dreadful Lewis fight haha so it is hard to judge if its a new part of his arsenal or not
2) His lose to Stipe really showed his weakness in his wrestling so it is reasonable to assume it is something that he might have worked on and incorporated into his game since he was exposed

With that said.. I don't even like the idea of cross division fighting (although I understand the reasoning behind it). Him fighting CM Punk I think showcases far more problems with the game (lack of meaningful damage, no differences between divisions with power and speed, etc). But Alberto and Skynet have dropped some promising stuff about the AI and I have no reason not to trust their judgement on the improvements at this point.

[tissues250]

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Harris succeeds a high-single leg against DC? Also, He has made it twice? I can't believe... Is AI fine in ea ufc4?

[aholbert32]

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Harris succeeds a high-single leg against DC? Also, He has made it twice? I can't believe... Is AI fine in ea ufc4?

Tissues,

I dont know how many times we have to say this......THE AI AND STATS WERE NOT FINAL IN THE VERSION THAT MMAGAME AND OTHERS WERE PLAYING

I'm not going to say it again.

Also, its not like Walt Harris has NEVER landed a takedown. The game comes out in 3 days. See it then. If you dont like it....dont buy the game. I for one think that Aydin, Aero and Skynet did an amazing job with it.

[Skynet]

Re: AI Logic

Hmm i see, so now i've gotten your attention? Which i feel kinda sad about it tbh with you, that the only way getting attention these days in the present industry with it's certain community is either giving the pedestal treatment or being a "jerk" (as someone implied) to invoke someones defense mechanism which was not the intended purpose.

For starters, you could've made it easier for both of us by just, i don't know returning a simple message that you're not eligible to answer my question just yet ? That way, you would've eitherway avoided any potential legal trouble with your company combined without the necessity of typing this message to explain yourself and your motives of fully ignoring that would potentially work out for you which you eventually didn't abide by.

I seem to recall me having quite a history of discussing problems (constructive criticism) in this forum about the franchise. As do many others which shares my specific problems with the franchise which eitherway ignores to be adressed despite tremendous amount of effort in a similar context from what i've seen so far. I also seem to recall that my last question which you're not eligible to answer yet (acceptable) despite two weeks away from official release was not an complaint, but question about a a whishful feature not being present in past iterations, not only a whishful feature that i soley want to be implemented but by many others, given the fact that this specific feature are already present in almost every other sport franchises for quite a while. Therefore pinpointing a "problem", not lashing out complaints.

While TheShiz is quite right in that we don't have to be here, and don't have any obligation to answer questions, I do think community engagement is both incredibly valuable to our team and me personally. I try to engage with posts/questions that I think have the most impact to the larger community given the time I'm here and the limited knowledge I have.

I responded to your comment because I knew more people than just you would read it. Because many more people than just you wonder the same thing. Because I wanted the community to better understand my position and intentions here as a representative of my team and EA. I am in no way a community manager or PR person. 95% of my day is spent being a code money and in meetings with other devs. I come here simply to increase the value of these forums to both sides and because I enjoy it.

I'd also like to clarify that I did not mean to say that you're a community member who has refused to discuss things. I was simply trying to be as complete in my reasoning as possible, and people of that nature are one such reason that I don't reply sometimes. While there are maany questions on here that my eyes never even see there are many enough that they do and I choose not to reply to, and I hope my previous response gives an indication as to when and why that might be the case. No more and no less.

[Skynet]

Re: AI Logic

As to the AI shooting/landing/denying takedowns etc, that is all stats based. It changes per fighter, per opponent, per difficulty, and evolves as the fight goes on.

If DC was never denying takedowns on high difficulties, that would be a problem. If he sometimes fails... that's not unrealistic. If he lets them through at low difficulties, that's totally fine. If he lets them through against other grapplers, that's fine.

Judging the whole AI by a single occurrence of something happening is just not going to get you very far. It's all stats, mate. And stats require large sample sizes.

[Seymorslash]

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As to the AI shooting/landing/denying takedowns etc, that is all stats based. It changes per fighter, per opponent, per difficulty, and evolves as the fight goes on.

Are you allowed to speak more on the last point here? I'm super interested in asking some questions about it but I understand if you guys have to be tight lipped for the next week and a half.

[Therebelyell626]

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Hmm i see, so now i've gotten your attention? Which i feel kinda sad about it tbh with you, that the only way getting attention these days in the present industry with it's certain community is either giving the pedestal treatment or being a "jerk" (as someone implied) to invoke someones defense mechanism which was not the intended purpose.

For starters, you could've made it easier for both of us by just, i don't know returning a simple message that you're not eligible to answer my question just yet ? That way, you would've eitherway avoided any potential legal trouble with your company combined without the necessity of typing this message to explain yourself and your motives of fully ignoring that would potentially work out for you which you eventually didn't abide by.

I seem to recall me having quite a history of discussing problems (constructive criticism) in this forum about the franchise. As do many others which shares my specific problems with the franchise which eitherway ignores to be adressed despite tremendous amount of effort in a similar context from what i've seen so far. I also seem to recall that my last question which you're not eligible to answer yet (acceptable) despite two weeks away from official release was not an complaint, but question about a a whishful feature not being present in past iterations, not only a whishful feature that i soley want to be implemented but by many others, given the fact that this specific feature are already present in almost every other sport franchises for quite a while. Therefore pinpointing a "problem", not lashing out complaints.

The way this guys tries to use big words, but completely out of context kind of reminds me of the rapper T.I. Tbh lol

[RyanFitzmagic]

Re: AI Logic

If DC was never denying takedowns on high difficulties, that would be a problem. If he sometimes fails... that's not unrealistic. If he lets them through at low difficulties, that's totally fine. If he lets them through against other grapplers, that's fine.

I won't lie, I can't see Cormier getting slammed by a guy who's not an elite wrestler. Taken down period, sure. Rumble has taken him down. Gustafsson has taken Jon Jones down. But for DC to get slammed seems a bit extreme, just like I wouldn't ever expect Bones to get slammed by Gustafsson.

Unless there are cases of GOAT-tier wrestlers getting slammed by non-wrestlers IRL that I don't know about. And I'm asking that sincerely.

[LeonVegaSuarez]

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what do you guys even want? Program the code so CPU can't slam takedown Cormier CPU at all?

Some of this stuff is random and should be this way. If it breaks the game for you, I'm sorry.

[aholbert32]

Re: AI Logic

Skynet,

We are 3 days from EA Access? Can I tell them the new AI feature?

[LeonVegaSuarez]

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Would be cool if the AI adapts if we lazily shoot for takedowns all the time. Setting up shots and really working for TD's would be realistic, especially against top (defensive) wrestlers.

Even on pro and higher it was way too easy to take anyone down in UFC 3.

[aholbert32]

Re: AI Logic

Would be cool if the AI adapts if we lazily shoot for takedowns all the time. Setting up shots and really working for TD's would be realistic, especially against top (defensive) wrestlers.

Even on pro and higher it was way too easy to take anyone down in UFC 3.

i dont think that will be the case in 4 right now. I'm struggling to hit takedowns. It may be too tough on Pro and above.

[LeonVegaSuarez]

Re: AI Logic

i dont think that will be the case in 4 right now. I'm struggling to hit takedowns. It may be too tough on Pro and above.

Not too worried about that, probably can be fine tuned via patch later on right?

[iceberg3445]

Re: AI Logic

A lot of great info in this thread. Thanks to Skynet and aholbert for providing the insight and to the OP for starting the discussion. Especially as someone who plays primarily offline, this pushed me to preorder. Can’t wait to play this game!



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[Skynet]

Re: AI Logic

Skynet,

We are 3 days from EA Access? Can I tell them the new AI feature?

Ya know what, fill your boots mate. Give the people what they want