UFC EA 4 Fighter Stats Adjustment Thread

[brownjesus10]

Re: UFC EA 4 Fighter Stats Adjustment Thread

I agree with everything you said so I double checked Ngannou's rating

His 89 Takedown is in error. It should be 85. I'll also look into having that corrected.

Thank you! I’m a huge stat/AI nerd so it is ****ing awesome to have feedback this quickly. If I see anything else I’ll pass it along

[Phillyboi207]

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Thank you for putting high quality thought into your answer.

Faber bloodied Brad Pickett with GNP elbows in his third most recent fight and also the last fight where he spent prolonged periods on top. You could see the damage Faber's GNP had done to his face. Brad got dropped with a punch but he was cut open with Ground and Pound. He got a 10-8 round in some of the judges scorecards for that fight and they typically don't give 10-8s to guys who are inactive while on top. Faber did enough damage to convince them. And he continued to hurt Brad on top through the rest of the fight

For older examples, there's the fight with Brian Bowles (former WEC champion) where he delivered multiple damaging shots on top that caused Bowles to give up his back for the choke. I'm sure there's more

For a comparison within the division, TJ Dillashaw has a 91 in ground and pound. TJ in recent times doesn't use his top game very often to land strikes. The only time in recent memory he used GNP was against John Lineker. And he didn't do any real damage to Lineker. He outclassed him but he never truely hurt him. He didn't do the damage that Faber has shown.

The only other time TJ showed ground strikes was against Cody Garbrandt but that was a ''FINISH THE FIGHT'' style of strike has opposed to the GNP technique (posturing up and stuff on an opponent who isn't already on queer street). If that is included, then Faber's win in 2019 in under a minute which was finished with FINISH THE FIGHT style of strikes should be included too.

TJ hasn't spent a lot of time on top of an opponent excluding the Lineker Fight (where he didn't do much in terms of true damage) in over 5 years. Since winning the title, he spends most of the fight on his feet therefore you have to go a long way back to see him effectively using GNP.

I get that Faber hasn't beaten top opposition in a long time. That said, I feel like there's no reason to assume that his GNP isn't strong relative to the rest of the division. I do feel like a 90 in his GNP is reasonable.

This is more than reasonable.

Now guys keep in mind, I'm not a developer so I don't actually put the ratings into the game myself. I can listen to your feedback and try to make the roster as accurate as possible but I cant guarantee this will all be put in ASAP. I know the usual is waiting until someone fights.

I'm going to try to get in a decent amount added hopefully for launch but I can't promise anything.

[mcm12345]

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This is more than reasonable.

Now guys keep in mind, I'm not a developer so I don't actually put the ratings into the game myself. I can listen to your feedback and try to make the roster as accurate as possible but I cant guarantee this will all be put in ASAP. I know the usual is waiting until someone fights.

I'm going to try to get in a decent amount added hopefully for launch but I can't promise anything.

Thank you so much mate it's cool to have someone around here. And one last one but this shouldn't be too much of an issue is Jon Jones' takedown defence stat. Yes he's already very highly rated and has a high defence stat of 95 but at the same time the game should be realistic as possible. Jones' takedown defence should really be up at the absolute best in the game. A 98 is reasonable imo.


That's the same as Woodley who has a 90% irl and 1 lower than Aldo (99 in game) who's also at 90% irl. Jones is at 95% IRL. He's only been taken down twice in his whole career. Aldo has been taken down twice in his last 2 and Woodley twice in his last fight. Jones should be up there. He hasn't faced strong wrestlers in recent times but there's no reason to assume his Takedown Defence isn't up there as the best in the whole UFC. His Takedown defence stat should be higher than Cormier's takedown stat (96) seeing how Jones has stuffed all but one of DC's takedowns. In their second fight, DC went 0-3 in takedowns.

I know you said not to compare between divisions but I feel like in Jones case, he's a candidate for best takedown defence in the entire UFC so it's valid to point out. And DC's takedown defence is a 94 yet he's been taken down 5 times at Light Heavyweight to Jones' once. I feel like the gap should be bigger than 1 point to truely showcase how elite Jones' takedown defence is.


This will be my last request for now.

Once again, thank you very much for being here for us. Feel free to sticky another thread once the game launches so you have more control. You're doing an awesome job man

[TheSierraNevada]

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This relates to the post above.

Let’s talk about that Woodley takedown defense. 98 is ridiculous after he just got mauled by Usman. The man barely stopped anything.

Before you say it’s because Usman is just that good at wrestling(true) I’d like to counter with the fact Woodley has not came up against really good wrestlers before this that actually wanted to wrestle.

The only good wrestler he came up against was Koscheck but he was in love with his right hand and was not wrestling much at the point they fought.

As for Maia he has decent takedowns but it’s nowhere the caliber of a Usman or Colby.

I think Woodley has been a beneficiary of facing all strikers on his title fights till he got to Usman.

That being said I think with how easy Usman made it look the man should only have a 93 takedown defense.

When he gets wrecked by Covington maybe drop it even lower.

[rebel8pig]

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Jack Hermansson is listed as a kickboxer, should be jiu jitsu/wrestler. Top moves lacks his killer leglocks.

[ragreynolds]

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I haven’t looked into the ratings too much yet since I’ve only been playing career mode, but I did notice two things

1. Ngannou’s grappling stats seemed way too high.

2. Chael Sonnen should have better cardio than what he has. He has 91, which is decent I guess, but Chael has legend status and should be his prime self, and I don’t recall ever seeing Chael gas in a fight. He’s got fantastic cardio irl.

On the subject of Chael, I noticed they didn’t add him to LHW. He was in MW and LHW in UFC 3. Strange that he’s not at LHW in UFC 4.

I do think it certainly seems like some of the guys who are high in the rankings irl seem to have a few inflated stats in the areas where they’re not quite as good. It’s like how in the past they’d inflate certain stats to raise a popular fighters OVR. I feel like they’re back to doing that now with the overall star rating. I much preferred how in UFC 3 they only showed OVR ratings for each category rather than overall for the fighter.

It would be way better if they removed the overall star rating from every fighter, and just kept it to showing the stars for striking, grappling, and health. I feel like doing that would make it less likely for guys to have inflated stats.

[tomitomitomi]

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I found the Faber discussion a bit funny since OP suggested that some of Faber's stats should be upgraded from mere 89 to at least 90.

Props to Philly for being responsive! If I were you I'd keep a document of suggested changes that you like so you can bring them up whenever it's relevant. Also try not to take some people's whining to heart.

I was bored so I went through way too much time to skim through the male roster so I have lots of small miscellaneous thoughts.

I didn't check women but IIRC Jessica Andrade had a relatively low head movement rating (89?) which I think could be higher based on her last fight with Thug Rose. I won't give any suggestions for stats because I'm bad at that but instead present their current stat and hopefully give a comprehensive reasoning why I think it should be changed.

Flyweight

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Cejudo chin 95
- I don't recall Cejudo ever displaying THIS amazing of a chin.

Flyweight Dillashaw chin 92
- He got TKO'd quickly in his only Flyweight fight so his chin is relatively suspect at flyweight (Weight cut?)

Mighty mouse Body 90
- The game has a general trend to give fighters who haven't been hurt a really high rating (e.g. Cejudo 95 chin) so by that logic MM could have a tad higher body rating. I don't recall him getting hurt from body shots but I could be wrong.

Mighty Mouse Punch P 87 vs Kick P 90
- I'd say he's been more damaging with his punches (e.g. Benavidez 2) so I feel that his punch and kick power could be a bit more balanced.

Figueiredo Fotowork 86 and Top Control 86
- I admittedly haven't watched a lot of his fights but he has some of the lowest footwork and top control in the division which seems off. His manhandling of Benavidez warrants higher than 86 and it's a bit odd that his top control is so low when he has such high bottom and sub game.

BW

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Aldo Cardio 90
- Aldo has historically had cardio issues including his last fight.

Cejudo Chin 95
- Same as BW but even smaller sample size.

Cejudo Punch Power 95 Kick Power 93
- More Triple C hate but I'm not sure his power should be this high at BW.

Moraes Cardio 90
- Moraes has also slowed down in his fights.

Lineker Kick Power 96
- Isn't Lineker mostly about winging hooks rather than kicks?

Yan GNP 90
- His GNP vs Aldo was pretty nasty so it could be a bit higher I think?

FW

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Aldo Cardio 91
- Similar to BW. I think a slightly lower cardio would fit him better.

Volkanovski 95 Punch Power
- This gives him same punch power as Jeremy Stephens and I believe one less than Conor. I wouldn't put him in the same conversation as two when it comes to KO power.

Volkanovski Chin/Body/Legs (96, 96, 95)
- Volkanovski also has the champ treatment where he has extremely high health stats. While he banged with Mendez, Volkanovski doesn't absorb that much damage in his fights.

LW

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- Masvidal Subs 87 (Chiesa Sub Def 90)
- Masvidal is weird because he has only one submission victory in UFC but it was against Chiesa who is a primarily grappler with 90 Sub Def. I think Masvidal has better subs than his stats imply.

Khabib Chin 93
- Khabib hasn't really been in danger in any of his fights so I think his chin could be slightly lower to reflect that his chin isn't proven to be elite while stil being good.

Penn Kick Power 86
- I forgot to list characters with similar or higher ratings but 86 seems really bad considering he has won by a flying knee and a head kick (admittedly a cut). I think his kick power could be a tiny bit higher to reflect that he can do some damage in specific scenarios.

Volkanovski Punching Power and Health Stats
- I forgot to add these but they're probably the same as FW. I think these stats in particular are way too high in LW where he's completely unproven in UFC.

WW

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Brown Clinch Strike 93
- While 93 is good I think Matt Brown's clinch strikes could be even higher especially if he ever gets a prime version.

Colby Chin 95
- I don't recall him eating too many big shots to warrant this chin.

RDA Chin 93

- I found this stat particularly funny as his chin was his weakness in UFC 3. With his UFC 3 stat in mind I think his chin could be a few points lower since he hasn't fought any particularly big hitters lately to warrant this big of an increase (though I do think his chin in 3 was underrated).

Condit Health Stats
- Condit may suffer from being technically active but if he ever gets a prime version I think his health stats (and a lot of stats like sub D) should be much, much higher.

Ferguson Punching Power 90
- Ferguson hasn't had WW fights but I'd imagine his punches would be relatively weaker than they would be in LW.

Ferguson Chin 95
- Similar to his power I'd imagine the size discrepancy would make his chin relatively weaker. Funnily enough RDA went from 89 chin at lightweight to 93 chin at WW. Actually, I think RDA's LW chin should probably be same as his WW.

Hendricks 89 Cardio
- He had a hard-fought 3 and 5 rounders where he had a surprisingly high output (whole 70% power meme) so I think his cardio should be way higher than Woodley who I believe was 88.

Penn Clinch Control 88
- Penn did well in clinch vs Fitch who isn't in the game but in general i think his cage clinch work should be higher. He was also one of the first guys to do the whole hop-on-one-leg to get to cage.

Wonderboy 93 Sub D
- Wonderboy silently has one of the highest submission defenses in the division, surpassing for example Usman who only has 89 sub def.

Felder GNP 93
- This may belong to LW Felder more but he's had some nasty ground and pound finishes. Colby and Usman have 94 and 95 GNP respectively but Felder has displayed way more damaging ground strikes than those two, who I think are too high anyway.

Woodley Footwork 89, Punch Speed 92
- Yes I'm inconsistent with how I address a fighter's numerous stats. My issue here is that Woodley is really good at exploding forward with a big overhand but his current stats, perks and moves (Overhand instead of Haymaker) make his forward momentum really sluggish so I feel it should be addressed somehow.

Masvidal 87 Sub
- Same argument as last time but WW Chiesa has 93 Sub Defense

MW

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Israel Chin/Body/Legs 94, 94, 96
- He had his war with Kelvin but besides that I feel he has similar treatment to Volkanovski where he has extremely high health stats even though he mostly avoids damage by fighting intelligently. I'm okay with his chin being high since he ate a few Romero bombs etc.

Bisping 89 TDD, 88 Sub D, 87 Clinch, 85 clinch striking, 86 bottom
- I think Bisping deserves the most buffs as of now. Historically he's fared well against grapplers. Chael for example really struggled against him when clinching and his bottom game vs GSP also warrants higher than 86 sub striking I think.

Bisping has been subbed twice (GSP, Rockhold) but those were after he was rocked which is something I think should be replicated in the game some way, but as of now I think his defensively grappling should be higher.

I also think his clinch striking should be higher as a lot of his finishes have come with him essentially clinch striking guys against the fence.

Hermansson 90 Sub
- He's racked up a lot of sub wins lately vs good competition.

Gastelum 92 sub
- Gastelum should definitely not be higher than Hermansson. In general I think his sub offense should be lower because he mostly chokes people out after rocking them and that can be replicated with giving him a high RNC level.


Lyoto 84 block, 83 Head Movement, 85 Takedown Defense, 86 Bottom, 86 Sub D, 87 Cardio, 85 Chin, 85 Body, 84 Recovery
- Poor Lyoto. I get that Lyoto is meant to stay outside and not get hit but he's not actually made of class, especially when talking about the prime version that arguably beat Weidman (I had to argue in favor of Weidman back in the day).

- I can understand him having mediocre or average block and head movement ratings as he's mostly known for his footwork but why are they among the worst in the division? It seems really unwarranted IMO.

- Prime Lyoto was pretty famous for his takedown defense. I can buy the argument that people were worse at setting up takedowns back then but 85 puts him up there with likes of Werdum, Ferguson and Diaz Bros who don't even try to block takedowns. Statistically Lyoto had good takedown defense.

- His two sub losses were to Jones and Rockhold after he was brutally rocked. Lyoto hasn't been amazing off his back but I don't think getting smashed by Romero and (especially Rockhold) should hurt his rating this much.

- The health is another one where I think he's being punished for his fighting style. I think his cardio should actually be above average because I think his slow pace has more to do with his style than pure cardio as he looked good in 5 rounds vs Shogun and Mousasi. He hasn't also been finished by anyone who isn't really good (Brunson is the worst but he has notorious KO power) so it feels off that he's made of paper. I think giving him 89-90ish health stats is good.

Thiago Santos and Robbie Lawler are generally too good
- Not much to add but that they reached their pinnacles in other divisions so the MW variants should probably be at least slightly weaker tho I'd like to see them remain viable.

Anderson 86 TDD, Kick and Punch speed 93, 86 Top, 87 Bottom, 88 Cardio, 90 Chin, 84 Legs, 88 Recovery
- If Anderson ever gets a prime version these stats could be tweaked. I think Anderson genuinely believes the health (excluding stamina) treatment that Volkanovski and Izzy got because he's got one of the best chins ever.

GSP Footwork 94
- This probably applies to WW GSP too but I'm slipping here. GSP is from an era when fighters were relatively stationary and I don't really associate GSP with incredible footwork.

Till TDD 88
- I don't like using fight stats are a frame of reference because for example Woodley's TDD% is inflated by Maia and Shields shooting 20 times each but Till has an 82% TDD so I think it could be a few points higher.

Chael Clinch Control 94 and 91 Cardio
- I don't recall Chael ever being a dominant clinch fighter especially considering how low Bisping's clinch rating was. I think his cardio could be higher even with the perk levels because even on feet he comes forward a lot.

Weidman Chin 85 (LHW 87), prime Weidman better accuracy/footwork/blocking?
- Lazy input for saying that prime Weidman could have better stats. His chin (which is 87 at LHW btw compared to 85 at MW) is pretty bad considering he's been KO'd by monsters.

- I forgot to add the values again but I think his accuracy, footwork and blocking were in mid 80s. I think he showed good accuracy vs accuracy vs Anderson, footwork vs Machida and blocking vs Vitor. His cardio is pretty suspect though.

MW Vitor has KS 93 vs LHW 96
- I know Philly asked not to compare divisions but I thought TRTor at MW was the peak of his kick game so this stood out.

LHW

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Rashad Recovery 88
- Quickly reminiscing he's shown better than 88 recovery back when he fought Thiago Silva, Rampage and Machida (even tho Machida wrecked him he still recovered from rocks well).

DC accuracy 96
- Is DC one of the most accurate strikers ever comparable to Anderson/Jones/Lyoto etc?

Gus 91 Sub O
- He had a few RNCs 10 years ago against non-grapplers.

Rumble 96 Chin
- I get that Rumble is meant to be a tank but I don't recall him having this godlike of a chin.

Shogun could have higher health and grappling stats once he retires
- Current grandpa Shogun is mostly a one round striker but obviously old Shogun got lots of finishes via clinch and GNP plus had wars.

Cannonier 93 chin 93 body 94 legs, 91 cardio
- Surprisingly high health stats at LHW.

LHW Lyoto 91 cardio, 89 chin, 90 body, 88 legs, 86 recovery
- LHW Lyoto received more health love than MW but his recovery is still low. I think MW Lyoto could easily adapt these stats with the other suggestions.

HW

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Blaydes Chin 93
- Blaydes has an incredible chin. I'd say it's 96 worthy. While we're at it, Prime Nog could have similar chin as well.

Coleman 92 Cardio
- Coleman didn't have the best cardio tank. I think his grappling can be supported via perks and move levels while leaving his striking vulnerable.

JDS 89 GNP and Kick power 92
- A lot of damaging GNP finishes. However, I think his Kick Power could be lower as it's mostly his spin kick which can have a higher level. His high kick power really stands out compared to other fighters.

DC 95 Cardio, 96 ground striking
- DC gassed vs Stipe's body shots so that alone puts his 95 stamina to question. I guess same applies to Cain vs Werdum but that's arguably post-prime Cain. DC has looked great in his other HW fights but 95 seemed a tad high. He also hasn't displayed devastating GNP power at HW.

Ngannou 91 Sub D, 89 Cardio
- Some Ngannou stats were mentioned before but I don't recall him showing any real Sub D and I think his stamina should be even lower.

Stipe 94 Chin, 95 Body, 95 Legs, 94 Recovery
- High health stats again. His body and leg stats in particular seem a bit high.

Stipe TD and Top 90, 90 kick power
- Yay inconsistency with my formatting. I don't recall Stipe throwing many if any kicks but his grappling could be higher. It's probably easy to lull into giving him 90 because he's generally well-rounded but I think these two could be a tad higher so he can grapple someone like Ngannou more reliably.

Overeem 90 GNP, 90 Top
- Reem has nasty top game and GNP IMO.

Kimbo all grappling (93 td top, 96 ground strike, 92 clinch strike), 92 cardio
- Kimbo should not have 96 GNP while Reem has 90. His cardio could reasonably drop by 10 when you look at his fights with Houston Alexander and Baba 5000. I suppose that would kill his viability.

Cain 97 GNP, 93 clinch strike
- I know his Cardio won't be touched because it's what he was known for but he also had a reputation for pillow fists so these could be lower.

Werdum 86 Kick power
- Werdum has used a lot of kicks and even got the flying knee win over Hunt. For contrast, before-mentioned JDS has 92 Kick power while Rothwell, Stipe and DC have 89, 90 and 89 respectively. Thus, I think his kick power could be upped a bit to encourage using them.

[Phillyboi207]

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A couple things

Jon Jones has the highest TDD in the division at 95 to Cormier's 94 in game.

I'm not opposed to it being even higher but the biggest difference between him and Woodley/Aldo is that they've held off multiple guys trying to take them down the entire fight.

Be careful comparing across divisions. Everything is relative to their own division. If I say someone is a 99 at something it just means they're as good as I've seen within that division, not the entire UFC.

As far as Woodley's TDD goes

Usman went 2-6
Kosheck went 7-17
Jake Shields went 0-18
Demian Maia went 0-21

If anything I'd argue Jon hasn't had as many shut down performances like that against someone actively looking to take him down. His first fight against Cormier being the one exception with Cormier going 1-8.

Not disputing Jones' amazing TDD, just stating that Aldo/Woodley have put their's on display more often. I really try to reward consistency.

Hopefully that helps y'all understand some of the choices made with the ratings.

[mcm12345]

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I found the Faber discussion a bit funny since OP suggested that some of Faber's stats should be upgraded from mere 89 to at least 90.

Props to Philly for being responsive! If I were you I'd keep a document of suggested changes that you like so you can bring them up whenever it's relevant. Also try not to take some people's whining to heart.

I was bored so I went through way too much time to skim through the male roster so I have lots of small miscellaneous thoughts.

I didn't check women but IIRC Jessica Andrade had a relatively low head movement rating (89?) which I think could be higher based on her last fight with Thug Rose. I won't give any suggestions for stats because I'm bad at that but instead present their current stat and hopefully give a comprehensive reasoning why I think it should be changed.

Flyweight

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Cejudo chin 95
- I don't recall Cejudo ever displaying THIS amazing of a chin.

Flyweight Dillashaw chin 92
- He got TKO'd quickly in his only Flyweight fight so his chin is relatively suspect at flyweight (Weight cut?)

Mighty mouse Body 90
- The game has a general trend to give fighters who haven't been hurt a really high rating (e.g. Cejudo 95 chin) so by that logic MM could have a tad higher body rating. I don't recall him getting hurt from body shots but I could be wrong.

Mighty Mouse Punch P 87 vs Kick P 90
- I'd say he's been more damaging with his punches (e.g. Benavidez 2) so I feel that his punch and kick power could be a bit more balanced.

Figueiredo Fotowork 86 and Top Control 86
- I admittedly haven't watched a lot of his fights but he has some of the lowest footwork and top control in the division which seems off. His manhandling of Benavidez warrants higher than 86 and it's a bit odd that his top control is so low when he has such high bottom and sub game.

BW

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Aldo Cardio 90
- Aldo has historically had cardio issues including his last fight.

Cejudo Chin 95
- Same as BW but even smaller sample size.

Cejudo Punch Power 95 Kick Power 93
- More Triple C hate but I'm not sure his power should be this high at BW.

Moraes Cardio 90
- Moraes has also slowed down in his fights.

Lineker Kick Power 96
- Isn't Lineker mostly about winging hooks rather than kicks?

Yan GNP 90
- His GNP vs Aldo was pretty nasty so it could be a bit higher I think?

FW

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Aldo Cardio 91
- Similar to BW. I think a slightly lower cardio would fit him better.

Volkanovski 95 Punch Power
- This gives him same punch power as Jeremy Stephens and I believe one less than Conor. I wouldn't put him in the same conversation as two when it comes to KO power.

Volkanovski Chin/Body/Legs (96, 96, 95)
- Volkanovski also has the champ treatment where he has extremely high health stats. While he banged with Mendez, Volkanovski doesn't absorb that much damage in his fights.

LW

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- Masvidal Subs 87 (Chiesa Sub Def 90)
- Masvidal is weird because he has only one submission victory in UFC but it was against Chiesa who is a primarily grappler with 90 Sub Def. I think Masvidal has better subs than his stats imply.

Khabib Chin 93
- Khabib hasn't really been in danger in any of his fights so I think his chin could be slightly lower to reflect that his chin isn't proven to be elite while stil being good.

Penn Kick Power 86
- I forgot to list characters with similar or higher ratings but 86 seems really bad considering he has won by a flying knee and a head kick (admittedly a cut). I think his kick power could be a tiny bit higher to reflect that he can do some damage in specific scenarios.

Volkanovski Punching Power and Health Stats
- I forgot to add these but they're probably the same as FW. I think these stats in particular are way too high in LW where he's completely unproven in UFC.

WW

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Brown Clinch Strike 93
- While 93 is good I think Matt Brown's clinch strikes could be even higher especially if he ever gets a prime version.

Colby Chin 95
- I don't recall him eating too many big shots to warrant this chin.

RDA Chin 93

- I found this stat particularly funny as his chin was his weakness in UFC 3. With his UFC 3 stat in mind I think his chin could be a few points lower since he hasn't fought any particularly big hitters lately to warrant this big of an increase (though I do think his chin in 3 was underrated).

Condit Health Stats
- Condit may suffer from being technically active but if he ever gets a prime version I think his health stats (and a lot of stats like sub D) should be much, much higher.

Ferguson Punching Power 90
- Ferguson hasn't had WW fights but I'd imagine his punches would be relatively weaker than they would be in LW.

Ferguson Chin 95
- Similar to his power I'd imagine the size discrepancy would make his chin relatively weaker. Funnily enough RDA went from 89 chin at lightweight to 93 chin at WW. Actually, I think RDA's LW chin should probably be same as his WW.

Hendricks 89 Cardio
- He had a hard-fought 3 and 5 rounders where he had a surprisingly high output (whole 70% power meme) so I think his cardio should be way higher than Woodley who I believe was 88.

Penn Clinch Control 88
- Penn did well in clinch vs Fitch who isn't in the game but in general i think his cage clinch work should be higher. He was also one of the first guys to do the whole hop-on-one-leg to get to cage.

Wonderboy 93 Sub D
- Wonderboy silently has one of the highest submission defenses in the division, surpassing for example Usman who only has 89 sub def.

Felder GNP 93
- This may belong to LW Felder more but he's had some nasty ground and pound finishes. Colby and Usman have 94 and 95 GNP respectively but Felder has displayed way more damaging ground strikes than those two, who I think are too high anyway.

Woodley Footwork 89, Punch Speed 92
- Yes I'm inconsistent with how I address a fighter's numerous stats. My issue here is that Woodley is really good at exploding forward with a big overhand but his current stats, perks and moves (Overhand instead of Haymaker) make his forward momentum really sluggish so I feel it should be addressed somehow.

Masvidal 87 Sub
- Same argument as last time but WW Chiesa has 93 Sub Defense

MW

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Israel Chin/Body/Legs 94, 94, 96
- He had his war with Kelvin but besides that I feel he has similar treatment to Volkanovski where he has extremely high health stats even though he mostly avoids damage by fighting intelligently. I'm okay with his chin being high since he ate a few Romero bombs etc.

Bisping 89 TDD, 88 Sub D, 87 Clinch, 85 clinch striking, 86 bottom
- I think Bisping deserves the most buffs as of now. Historically he's fared well against grapplers. Chael for example really struggled against him when clinching and his bottom game vs GSP also warrants higher than 86 sub striking I think.

Bisping has been subbed twice (GSP, Rockhold) but those were after he was rocked which is something I think should be replicated in the game some way, but as of now I think his defensively grappling should be higher.

I also think his clinch striking should be higher as a lot of his finishes have come with him essentially clinch striking guys against the fence.

Hermansson 90 Sub
- He's racked up a lot of sub wins lately vs good competition.

Gastelum 92 sub
- Gastelum should definitely not be higher than Hermansson. In general I think his sub offense should be lower because he mostly chokes people out after rocking them and that can be replicated with giving him a high RNC level.


Lyoto 84 block, 83 Head Movement, 85 Takedown Defense, 86 Bottom, 86 Sub D, 87 Cardio, 85 Chin, 85 Body, 84 Recovery
- Poor Lyoto. I get that Lyoto is meant to stay outside and not get hit but he's not actually made of class, especially when talking about the prime version that arguably beat Weidman (I had to argue in favor of Weidman back in the day).

- I can understand him having mediocre or average block and head movement ratings as he's mostly known for his footwork but why are they among the worst in the division? It seems really unwarranted IMO.

- Prime Lyoto was pretty famous for his takedown defense. I can buy the argument that people were worse at setting up takedowns back then but 85 puts him up there with likes of Werdum, Ferguson and Diaz Bros who don't even try to block takedowns. Statistically Lyoto had good takedown defense.

- His two sub losses were to Jones and Rockhold after he was brutally rocked. Lyoto hasn't been amazing off his back but I don't think getting smashed by Romero and (especially Rockhold) should hurt his rating this much.

- The health is another one where I think he's being punished for his fighting style. I think his cardio should actually be above average because I think his slow pace has more to do with his style than pure cardio as he looked good in 5 rounds vs Shogun and Mousasi. He hasn't also been finished by anyone who isn't really good (Brunson is the worst but he has notorious KO power) so it feels off that he's made of paper. I think giving him 89-90ish health stats is good.

Thiago Santos and Robbie Lawler are generally too good
- Not much to add but that they reached their pinnacles in other divisions so the MW variants should probably be at least slightly weaker tho I'd like to see them remain viable.

Anderson 86 TDD, Kick and Punch speed 93, 86 Top, 87 Bottom, 88 Cardio, 90 Chin, 84 Legs, 88 Recovery
- If Anderson ever gets a prime version these stats could be tweaked. I think Anderson genuinely believes the health (excluding stamina) treatment that Volkanovski and Izzy got because he's got one of the best chins ever.

GSP Footwork 94
- This probably applies to WW GSP too but I'm slipping here. GSP is from an era when fighters were relatively stationary and I don't really associate GSP with incredible footwork.

Till TDD 88
- I don't like using fight stats are a frame of reference because for example Woodley's TDD% is inflated by Maia and Shields shooting 20 times each but Till has an 82% TDD so I think it could be a few points higher.

Chael Clinch Control 94 and 91 Cardio
- I don't recall Chael ever being a dominant clinch fighter especially considering how low Bisping's clinch rating was. I think his cardio could be higher even with the perk levels because even on feet he comes forward a lot.

Weidman Chin 85 (LHW 87), prime Weidman better accuracy/footwork/blocking?
- Lazy input for saying that prime Weidman could have better stats. His chin (which is 87 at LHW btw compared to 85 at MW) is pretty bad considering he's been KO'd by monsters.

- I forgot to add the values again but I think his accuracy, footwork and blocking were in mid 80s. I think he showed good accuracy vs accuracy vs Anderson, footwork vs Machida and blocking vs Vitor. His cardio is pretty suspect though.

MW Vitor has KS 93 vs LHW 96
- I know Philly asked not to compare divisions but I thought TRTor at MW was the peak of his kick game so this stood out.

LHW

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Rashad Recovery 88
- Quickly reminiscing he's shown better than 88 recovery back when he fought Thiago Silva, Rampage and Machida (even tho Machida wrecked him he still recovered from rocks well).

DC accuracy 96
- Is DC one of the most accurate strikers ever comparable to Anderson/Jones/Lyoto etc?

Gus 91 Sub O
- He had a few RNCs 10 years ago against non-grapplers.

Rumble 96 Chin
- I get that Rumble is meant to be a tank but I don't recall him having this godlike of a chin.

Shogun could have higher health and grappling stats once he retires
- Current grandpa Shogun is mostly a one round striker but obviously old Shogun got lots of finishes via clinch and GNP plus had wars.

Cannonier 93 chin 93 body 94 legs, 91 cardio
- Surprisingly high health stats at LHW.

LHW Lyoto 91 cardio, 89 chin, 90 body, 88 legs, 86 recovery
- LHW Lyoto received more health love than MW but his recovery is still low. I think MW Lyoto could easily adapt these stats with the other suggestions.

HW

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Blaydes Chin 93
- Blaydes has an incredible chin. I'd say it's 96 worthy. While we're at it, Prime Nog could have similar chin as well.

Coleman 92 Cardio
- Coleman didn't have the best cardio tank. I think his grappling can be supported via perks and move levels while leaving his striking vulnerable.

JDS 89 GNP and Kick power 92
- A lot of damaging GNP finishes. However, I think his Kick Power could be lower as it's mostly his spin kick which can have a higher level. His high kick power really stands out compared to other fighters.

DC 95 Cardio, 96 ground striking
- DC gassed vs Stipe's body shots so that alone puts his 95 stamina to question. I guess same applies to Cain vs Werdum but that's arguably post-prime Cain. DC has looked great in his other HW fights but 95 seemed a tad high. He also hasn't displayed devastating GNP power at HW.

Ngannou 91 Sub D, 89 Cardio
- Some Ngannou stats were mentioned before but I don't recall him showing any real Sub D and I think his stamina should be even lower.

Stipe 94 Chin, 95 Body, 95 Legs, 94 Recovery
- High health stats again. His body and leg stats in particular seem a bit high.

Stipe TD and Top 90, 90 kick power
- Yay inconsistency with my formatting. I don't recall Stipe throwing many if any kicks but his grappling could be higher. It's probably easy to lull into giving him 90 because he's generally well-rounded but I think these two could be a tad higher so he can grapple someone like Ngannou more reliably.

Overeem 90 GNP, 90 Top
- Reem has nasty top game and GNP IMO.

Kimbo all grappling (93 td top, 96 ground strike, 92 clinch strike), 92 cardio
- Kimbo should not have 96 GNP while Reem has 90. His cardio could reasonably drop by 10 when you look at his fights with Houston Alexander and Baba 5000. I suppose that would kill his viability.

Cain 97 GNP, 93 clinch strike
- I know his Cardio won't be touched because it's what he was known for but he also had a reputation for pillow fists so these could be lower.

Werdum 86 Kick power
- Werdum has used a lot of kicks and even got the flying knee win over Hunt. For contrast, before-mentioned JDS has 92 Kick power while Rothwell, Stipe and DC have 89, 90 and 89 respectively. Thus, I think his kick power could be upped a bit to encourage using them.

In regards to the point on Ferguson's WW power, his sole UFC Pro fight in the Welterweight division was a first round KO. Based off of the limited sample size, a 90 is reasonable enough.

[mcm12345]

Re: UFC EA 4 Fighter Stats Adjustment Thread

A couple things

Jon Jones has the highest TDD in the division at 95 to Cormier's 94 in game.

I'm not opposed to it being even higher but the biggest difference between him and Woodley/Aldo is that they've held off multiple guys trying to take them down the entire fight.

Be careful comparing across divisions. Everything is relative to their own division. If I say someone is a 99 at something it just means they're as good as I've seen within that division, not the entire UFC.

As far as Woodley's TDD goes

Usman went 2-6
Kosheck went 7-17
Jake Shields went 0-18
Demian Maia went 0-21

If anything I'd argue Jon hasn't had as many shut down performances like that against someone actively looking to take him down. His first fight against Cormier being the one exception with Cormier going 1-8.

Not disputing Jones' amazing TDD, just stating that Aldo/Woodley have put their's on display more often. I really try to reward consistency.

Hopefully that helps y'all understand some of the choices made with the ratings.

That makes perfect sense. Consistency is a valid way of determining it.

[brownjesus10]

Re: UFC EA 4 Fighter Stats Adjustment Thread

I found the Faber discussion a bit funny since OP suggested that some of Faber's stats should be upgraded from mere 89 to at least 90.

Props to Philly for being responsive! If I were you I'd keep a document of suggested changes that you like so you can bring them up whenever it's relevant. Also try not to take some people's whining to heart.

I was bored so I went through way too much time to skim through the male roster so I have lots of small miscellaneous thoughts.

I didn't check women but IIRC Jessica Andrade had a relatively low head movement rating (89?) which I think could be higher based on her last fight with Thug Rose. I won't give any suggestions for stats because I'm bad at that but instead present their current stat and hopefully give a comprehensive reasoning why I think it should be changed.

Flyweight

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Cejudo chin 95
- I don't recall Cejudo ever displaying THIS amazing of a chin.

Flyweight Dillashaw chin 92
- He got TKO'd quickly in his only Flyweight fight so his chin is relatively suspect at flyweight (Weight cut?)

Mighty mouse Body 90
- The game has a general trend to give fighters who haven't been hurt a really high rating (e.g. Cejudo 95 chin) so by that logic MM could have a tad higher body rating. I don't recall him getting hurt from body shots but I could be wrong.

Mighty Mouse Punch P 87 vs Kick P 90
- I'd say he's been more damaging with his punches (e.g. Benavidez 2) so I feel that his punch and kick power could be a bit more balanced.

Figueiredo Fotowork 86 and Top Control 86
- I admittedly haven't watched a lot of his fights but he has some of the lowest footwork and top control in the division which seems off. His manhandling of Benavidez warrants higher than 86 and it's a bit odd that his top control is so low when he has such high bottom and sub game.

BW

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Aldo Cardio 90
- Aldo has historically had cardio issues including his last fight.

Cejudo Chin 95
- Same as BW but even smaller sample size.

Cejudo Punch Power 95 Kick Power 93
- More Triple C hate but I'm not sure his power should be this high at BW.

Moraes Cardio 90
- Moraes has also slowed down in his fights.

Lineker Kick Power 96
- Isn't Lineker mostly about winging hooks rather than kicks?

Yan GNP 90
- His GNP vs Aldo was pretty nasty so it could be a bit higher I think?

FW

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Aldo Cardio 91
- Similar to BW. I think a slightly lower cardio would fit him better.

Volkanovski 95 Punch Power
- This gives him same punch power as Jeremy Stephens and I believe one less than Conor. I wouldn't put him in the same conversation as two when it comes to KO power.

Volkanovski Chin/Body/Legs (96, 96, 95)
- Volkanovski also has the champ treatment where he has extremely high health stats. While he banged with Mendez, Volkanovski doesn't absorb that much damage in his fights.

LW

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- Masvidal Subs 87 (Chiesa Sub Def 90)
- Masvidal is weird because he has only one submission victory in UFC but it was against Chiesa who is a primarily grappler with 90 Sub Def. I think Masvidal has better subs than his stats imply.

Khabib Chin 93
- Khabib hasn't really been in danger in any of his fights so I think his chin could be slightly lower to reflect that his chin isn't proven to be elite while stil being good.

Penn Kick Power 86
- I forgot to list characters with similar or higher ratings but 86 seems really bad considering he has won by a flying knee and a head kick (admittedly a cut). I think his kick power could be a tiny bit higher to reflect that he can do some damage in specific scenarios.

Volkanovski Punching Power and Health Stats
- I forgot to add these but they're probably the same as FW. I think these stats in particular are way too high in LW where he's completely unproven in UFC.

WW

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Brown Clinch Strike 93
- While 93 is good I think Matt Brown's clinch strikes could be even higher especially if he ever gets a prime version.

Colby Chin 95
- I don't recall him eating too many big shots to warrant this chin.

RDA Chin 93

- I found this stat particularly funny as his chin was his weakness in UFC 3. With his UFC 3 stat in mind I think his chin could be a few points lower since he hasn't fought any particularly big hitters lately to warrant this big of an increase (though I do think his chin in 3 was underrated).

Condit Health Stats
- Condit may suffer from being technically active but if he ever gets a prime version I think his health stats (and a lot of stats like sub D) should be much, much higher.

Ferguson Punching Power 90
- Ferguson hasn't had WW fights but I'd imagine his punches would be relatively weaker than they would be in LW.

Ferguson Chin 95
- Similar to his power I'd imagine the size discrepancy would make his chin relatively weaker. Funnily enough RDA went from 89 chin at lightweight to 93 chin at WW. Actually, I think RDA's LW chin should probably be same as his WW.

Hendricks 89 Cardio
- He had a hard-fought 3 and 5 rounders where he had a surprisingly high output (whole 70% power meme) so I think his cardio should be way higher than Woodley who I believe was 88.

Penn Clinch Control 88
- Penn did well in clinch vs Fitch who isn't in the game but in general i think his cage clinch work should be higher. He was also one of the first guys to do the whole hop-on-one-leg to get to cage.

Wonderboy 93 Sub D
- Wonderboy silently has one of the highest submission defenses in the division, surpassing for example Usman who only has 89 sub def.

Felder GNP 93
- This may belong to LW Felder more but he's had some nasty ground and pound finishes. Colby and Usman have 94 and 95 GNP respectively but Felder has displayed way more damaging ground strikes than those two, who I think are too high anyway.

Woodley Footwork 89, Punch Speed 92
- Yes I'm inconsistent with how I address a fighter's numerous stats. My issue here is that Woodley is really good at exploding forward with a big overhand but his current stats, perks and moves (Overhand instead of Haymaker) make his forward momentum really sluggish so I feel it should be addressed somehow.

Masvidal 87 Sub
- Same argument as last time but WW Chiesa has 93 Sub Defense

MW

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Israel Chin/Body/Legs 94, 94, 96
- He had his war with Kelvin but besides that I feel he has similar treatment to Volkanovski where he has extremely high health stats even though he mostly avoids damage by fighting intelligently. I'm okay with his chin being high since he ate a few Romero bombs etc.

Bisping 89 TDD, 88 Sub D, 87 Clinch, 85 clinch striking, 86 bottom
- I think Bisping deserves the most buffs as of now. Historically he's fared well against grapplers. Chael for example really struggled against him when clinching and his bottom game vs GSP also warrants higher than 86 sub striking I think.

Bisping has been subbed twice (GSP, Rockhold) but those were after he was rocked which is something I think should be replicated in the game some way, but as of now I think his defensively grappling should be higher.

I also think his clinch striking should be higher as a lot of his finishes have come with him essentially clinch striking guys against the fence.

Hermansson 90 Sub
- He's racked up a lot of sub wins lately vs good competition.

Gastelum 92 sub
- Gastelum should definitely not be higher than Hermansson. In general I think his sub offense should be lower because he mostly chokes people out after rocking them and that can be replicated with giving him a high RNC level.


Lyoto 84 block, 83 Head Movement, 85 Takedown Defense, 86 Bottom, 86 Sub D, 87 Cardio, 85 Chin, 85 Body, 84 Recovery
- Poor Lyoto. I get that Lyoto is meant to stay outside and not get hit but he's not actually made of class, especially when talking about the prime version that arguably beat Weidman (I had to argue in favor of Weidman back in the day).

- I can understand him having mediocre or average block and head movement ratings as he's mostly known for his footwork but why are they among the worst in the division? It seems really unwarranted IMO.

- Prime Lyoto was pretty famous for his takedown defense. I can buy the argument that people were worse at setting up takedowns back then but 85 puts him up there with likes of Werdum, Ferguson and Diaz Bros who don't even try to block takedowns. Statistically Lyoto had good takedown defense.

- His two sub losses were to Jones and Rockhold after he was brutally rocked. Lyoto hasn't been amazing off his back but I don't think getting smashed by Romero and (especially Rockhold) should hurt his rating this much.

- The health is another one where I think he's being punished for his fighting style. I think his cardio should actually be above average because I think his slow pace has more to do with his style than pure cardio as he looked good in 5 rounds vs Shogun and Mousasi. He hasn't also been finished by anyone who isn't really good (Brunson is the worst but he has notorious KO power) so it feels off that he's made of paper. I think giving him 89-90ish health stats is good.

Thiago Santos and Robbie Lawler are generally too good
- Not much to add but that they reached their pinnacles in other divisions so the MW variants should probably be at least slightly weaker tho I'd like to see them remain viable.

Anderson 86 TDD, Kick and Punch speed 93, 86 Top, 87 Bottom, 88 Cardio, 90 Chin, 84 Legs, 88 Recovery
- If Anderson ever gets a prime version these stats could be tweaked. I think Anderson genuinely believes the health (excluding stamina) treatment that Volkanovski and Izzy got because he's got one of the best chins ever.

GSP Footwork 94
- This probably applies to WW GSP too but I'm slipping here. GSP is from an era when fighters were relatively stationary and I don't really associate GSP with incredible footwork.

Till TDD 88
- I don't like using fight stats are a frame of reference because for example Woodley's TDD% is inflated by Maia and Shields shooting 20 times each but Till has an 82% TDD so I think it could be a few points higher.

Chael Clinch Control 94 and 91 Cardio
- I don't recall Chael ever being a dominant clinch fighter especially considering how low Bisping's clinch rating was. I think his cardio could be higher even with the perk levels because even on feet he comes forward a lot.

Weidman Chin 85 (LHW 87), prime Weidman better accuracy/footwork/blocking?
- Lazy input for saying that prime Weidman could have better stats. His chin (which is 87 at LHW btw compared to 85 at MW) is pretty bad considering he's been KO'd by monsters.

- I forgot to add the values again but I think his accuracy, footwork and blocking were in mid 80s. I think he showed good accuracy vs accuracy vs Anderson, footwork vs Machida and blocking vs Vitor. His cardio is pretty suspect though.

MW Vitor has KS 93 vs LHW 96
- I know Philly asked not to compare divisions but I thought TRTor at MW was the peak of his kick game so this stood out.

LHW

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Rashad Recovery 88
- Quickly reminiscing he's shown better than 88 recovery back when he fought Thiago Silva, Rampage and Machida (even tho Machida wrecked him he still recovered from rocks well).

DC accuracy 96
- Is DC one of the most accurate strikers ever comparable to Anderson/Jones/Lyoto etc?

Gus 91 Sub O
- He had a few RNCs 10 years ago against non-grapplers.

Rumble 96 Chin
- I get that Rumble is meant to be a tank but I don't recall him having this godlike of a chin.

Shogun could have higher health and grappling stats once he retires
- Current grandpa Shogun is mostly a one round striker but obviously old Shogun got lots of finishes via clinch and GNP plus had wars.

Cannonier 93 chin 93 body 94 legs, 91 cardio
- Surprisingly high health stats at LHW.

LHW Lyoto 91 cardio, 89 chin, 90 body, 88 legs, 86 recovery
- LHW Lyoto received more health love than MW but his recovery is still low. I think MW Lyoto could easily adapt these stats with the other suggestions.

HW

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Blaydes Chin 93
- Blaydes has an incredible chin. I'd say it's 96 worthy. While we're at it, Prime Nog could have similar chin as well.

Coleman 92 Cardio
- Coleman didn't have the best cardio tank. I think his grappling can be supported via perks and move levels while leaving his striking vulnerable.

JDS 89 GNP and Kick power 92
- A lot of damaging GNP finishes. However, I think his Kick Power could be lower as it's mostly his spin kick which can have a higher level. His high kick power really stands out compared to other fighters.

DC 95 Cardio, 96 ground striking
- DC gassed vs Stipe's body shots so that alone puts his 95 stamina to question. I guess same applies to Cain vs Werdum but that's arguably post-prime Cain. DC has looked great in his other HW fights but 95 seemed a tad high. He also hasn't displayed devastating GNP power at HW.

Ngannou 91 Sub D, 89 Cardio
- Some Ngannou stats were mentioned before but I don't recall him showing any real Sub D and I think his stamina should be even lower.

Stipe 94 Chin, 95 Body, 95 Legs, 94 Recovery
- High health stats again. His body and leg stats in particular seem a bit high.

Stipe TD and Top 90, 90 kick power
- Yay inconsistency with my formatting. I don't recall Stipe throwing many if any kicks but his grappling could be higher. It's probably easy to lull into giving him 90 because he's generally well-rounded but I think these two could be a tad higher so he can grapple someone like Ngannou more reliably.

Overeem 90 GNP, 90 Top
- Reem has nasty top game and GNP IMO.

Kimbo all grappling (93 td top, 96 ground strike, 92 clinch strike), 92 cardio
- Kimbo should not have 96 GNP while Reem has 90. His cardio could reasonably drop by 10 when you look at his fights with Houston Alexander and Baba 5000. I suppose that would kill his viability.

Cain 97 GNP, 93 clinch strike
- I know his Cardio won't be touched because it's what he was known for but he also had a reputation for pillow fists so these could be lower.

Werdum 86 Kick power
- Werdum has used a lot of kicks and even got the flying knee win over Hunt. For contrast, before-mentioned JDS has 92 Kick power while Rothwell, Stipe and DC have 89, 90 and 89 respectively. Thus, I think his kick power could be upped a bit to encourage using them.

On the topic of Henry’s chin, he showed an iron chin and great resilience in the Marlon fight. I think that performance earned him that rating, along with the fact that he has yet to be knocked out

[tomitomitomi]

Re: UFC EA 4 Fighter Stats Adjustment Thread

In regards to the point on Ferguson's WW power, his sole UFC Pro fight in the Welterweight division was a first round KO. Based off of the limited sample size, a 90 is reasonable enough.

It was against Ramsey Nijem who is chinny and also moved down to LW after the tournament so in all intents and purposes it was a lightweight fight. I believe it was Alberto who also explained a lot of times in the UFC 3 thread that performances against unranked opponents increase ratings less.

[Phillyboi207]

Re: UFC EA 4 Fighter Stats Adjustment Thread

I haven’t looked into the ratings too much yet since I’ve only been playing career mode, but I did notice two things

1. Ngannou’s grappling stats seemed way too high.

2. Chael Sonnen should have better cardio than what he has. He has 91, which is decent I guess, but Chael has legend status and should be his prime self, and I don’t recall ever seeing Chael gas in a fight. He’s got fantastic cardio irl.

On the subject of Chael, I noticed they didn’t add him to LHW. He was in MW and LHW in UFC 3. Strange that he’s not at LHW in UFC 4.

I do think it certainly seems like some of the guys who are high in the rankings irl seem to have a few inflated stats in the areas where they’re not quite as good. It’s like how in the past they’d inflate certain stats to raise a popular fighters OVR. I feel like they’re back to doing that now with the overall star rating. I much preferred how in UFC 3 they only showed OVR ratings for each category rather than overall for the fighter.

It would be way better if they removed the overall star rating from every fighter, and just kept it to showing the stars for striking, grappling, and health. I feel like doing that would make it less likely for guys to have inflated stats.

Who do you think has inflated stats? I went out of my way to avoid artificially inflating stats. If someone has high stats it should be tied to their performance (except Punk lol)

Tomitomitomi:

Thank you! That is a lot and I won't be able to go through all of it at the moment. Keep in mind the roster isn't completely up to date yet. The past 3-4 events arent included so some of the stuff you asked for will likely be in for launch.

Some of the multiple weight class stuff is tough because it's mostly speculation. Hard to know exactly how a guy will perform in a different weight class unless they were there recently.

The Vitor kick speed thing is just about Vitor being faster relative to LHWs compared to MWs. Not necessarily that he's a better kicker at LHW. Hopefully that makes sense.

As far as really high durability, it's based on guys that have spent a lot of time in the cage with great fighters and barely if ever got hurt. It does have to do with intelligent defense but the fact that they're able to come away clean in a lot of those exchanges is also a testament to their durability.

Just to clarify as well. I don't ONLY go by stats. Actual fight film comes first, stats can just provide a basis for an argument especially if supported by film.

Edit: Please forgive typos and grammar. I’m often on mobile and multitasking. Not usually double checking what I type

[mcm12345]

Re: UFC EA 4 Fighter Stats Adjustment Thread

Gilbert Burns' stand up stats are a little lacking. One area where I think he definitely needs a buff is his punch speed. It's an 89 right now and I think at the very least it should be a 90. In his last fight, he dominated Woodley. In the first exchange of the fight, he floored Woodley with his quick hands.

Given that Burns was able trade hands with and keep up with the speed of someone in the 90s with their punch speed, I definitely feel that his punch speed should be on the better side of the weightclass. At least a 90 is deserved given that he outstruck and landed a knockdown in the first exchange of the fight with one of the best in the division.

[rebel8pig]

Re: UFC EA 4 Fighter Stats Adjustment Thread

Please make Machida legendary. If not then his head movement is way too low.