Endless Piggy Back, Clinching and takedown spam

[ryangil23]

Re: Endless Piggy Back, Clinching and takedown spam

Please stop talking like you aren't part of the problem. You spam 20 takedowns a match only to get knocked out.

I even messaged you after the fight what are you going to do when they patch stamina for takedowns as you legit attempted over 20 on me to stuff like 17 of them. You responded, "more TD". You are bad at this game.

Anyways, the simple option for clinch is either have a deny button which actually drains stamina or have their vulnerbility the same as when someone ducks their head into an uppercut. Which would have more rocks as the person clinching is literally leaving themselves wide open leaning in to grab you. Would stop a lot of this dumb *** non sense.

It’s hilarious how much the advantage is with the one who clinches. If YOU get clinched, YOU lose more stamina for breaking out, YOU have to move your head (and get elbowed or take a knee/uppercut), to avoid it, YOU have to back up to get away from them because you can’t deny the f***ing thing. Oh and when you’re actually in the clinch you can do very little except try to block the strikes and break since the defending fighter has very few options.

It pulls you in like a Jedi force move when you’re in the middle of cracking them in the face and there’s no vulnerability to it either. It’s beyond laughable.

It’s like putting a gun that can shoot through absolutely everything in a COD game and saying “you’re just not using the tools available to you bro” when you’re getting melted through walls. “Just shoot him first then bro”, “just move quicker then bro”. Lmao.

[NewSkiLLZZ]

Re: Endless Piggy Back, Clinching and takedown spam

It’s hilarious how much the advantage is with the one who clinches. If YOU get clinched, YOU lose more stamina for breaking out, YOU have to move your head (and get elbowed or take a knee/uppercut), to avoid it, YOU have to back up to get away from them because you can’t deny the f***ing thing. Oh and when you’re actually in the clinch you can do very little except try to block the strikes and break since the defending fighter has very few options.

It pulls you in like a Jedi force move when you’re in the middle of cracking them in the face and there’s no vulnerability to it either. It’s beyond laughable.

It’s like putting a gun that can shoot through absolutely everything in a COD game and saying “you’re just not using the tools available to you bro” when you’re getting melted through walls. “Just shoot him first then bro”, “just move quicker then bro”. Lmao.

Yep, the clinch is in a pretty bad state. It's easily spammable. As seen in the Dmart video T4H literally just walked down then clinch, throw knees repeat. You guess either high or low for the knee and might eat one. If you break out repeat. There was no penalty to it, there was no risk in anything he was doing. If the risk was him getting rocked as he was reaching in he would've stopped. Again, make the risk the same as someone ducking their head into an uppercut as the person whose clinching is reaching out and leaving themselves open

[Counter Punch]

Re: Endless Piggy Back, Clinching and takedown spam

As the defender, once you are caught in the clinch how do you punish the clincher?

You can avoid 90% of their clinch attempts but eventually your are gonna get caught in it. And if I’m a boxer and they are a jujitsu specialist then taking them down would not really be wise.

[UFCBlackbelt]

Re: Endless Piggy Back, Clinching and takedown spam

As the defender, once you are caught in the clinch how do you punish the clincher?

You can avoid 90% of their clinch attempts but eventually your are gonna get caught in it. And if I’m a boxer and they are a jujitsu specialist then taking them down would really be wise.

your only bet is to block strikes and throw strikes, but youre likely to get caught in the head with a knee by a good player if so.

What i do now is that the moment someone starts constantly clinch spamming "all hands are off" and I consider it like breaking a contract not to cheese. I start clinching them, I take them down and lay down some game-breaking GNP, look for subs. A lot of these guys can't take what they dish out.

[Evil97]

Re: Endless Piggy Back, Clinching and takedown spam

A current option to mitigate damage is to back away, and do your best to block the strikes. What you do next is going to go against all your instincts in the heat of battle, but hear me out. Put your back on the cage, yes, the place where you can't block body knees. Now start by holding high block and moving towards the wizard side (the side that is closed off). Your opponent now has 2 options, go for a takedown which you can react to and deny by simple applying LT, or the second option (which is 90% about to come) which is throw unblockable body knees. The moment they start the body knees, you can slip out the closed side instantly if you let go of high block and are moving towards the closed side. Again, your instinct is going to tell you to walk toward the open side. While this will eventually get you out, you will take knees to to body in the process. So let go of high block (doesn't matter if you apply low block or just let go of RT) and move towards the closed side. You will slip out without the body knee even coming out or landing. With all this being said, don't forget to not get standing guillotined lol. Hope this helps mitigate some damage so you have more time to dish out your own damage.

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[UFCBlackbelt]

Re: Endless Piggy Back, Clinching and takedown spam

A current option to mitigate damage is to back away, and do your best to block the strikes. What you do next is going to go against all your instincts in the heat of battle, but hear me out. Put your back on the cage, yes, the place where you can't block body knees. Now start by holding high block and your RS towards the wizard side (the side that is closed off). Your opponent now has 2 options, go for a takedown which you can react to and deny by simple applying LT, or the second option (which is 90% about to come) which is throw unblockable body knees. The moment they start the body knees, you can slip out the closed side instantly if you let go of high block and are moving towards the closed side. Again, your instinct is going to tell you to walk toward the open side. While this will eventually get you out, you will take knees to to body in the process. So let go of high block (doesn't matter if you apply low block or just let go of RT) and move towards the closed side. You will slip out without the body knee even coming out or landing. With all this being said, don't forget to not get standing guillotined lol. Hope this helps mitigate some damage so you have more time to dish out your own damage.

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You have been providing really good advice recently, you should put together a vid or guide.

[Evil97]

Re: Endless Piggy Back, Clinching and takedown spam

You have been providing really good advice recently, you should put together a vid or guide.

Thanks. I misspoke about using the RS (i edited in the original). I meant LS. So hold high block and LS towards the closed side in order to block all head shots, deny the headlock, and deny the back take. Only thing left is to keep holding LS and switch to low block when you see the takedown or body knee.

[NEWSS]

Re: Endless Piggy Back, Clinching and takedown spam

Another top player struggling with the cheese (first fight)

https://youtu.be/0ZHsBxbf6Wk

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[ryangil23]

Re: Endless Piggy Back, Clinching and takedown spam

People just don’t want to set things up. In 3 you could clinch off of hit stuns or mix it up with takedowns if they started pre-denying the clinch. Now you can just grab them as you please. Don’t know what Anderson Silva was doing all these years when he could’ve been undefeated if he just f****d everyone up like he did to Rich Franklin.

[Painless taken]

Re: Endless Piggy Back, Clinching and takedown spam

Like how can you release a game in this bad of a state? It’s absolutely mind boggling

[Sleep Doctor]

Re: Endless Piggy Back, Clinching and takedown spam

Like how can you release a game in this bad of a state? It’s absolutely mind boggling

Even more baffling is the people who actually defend this **** and paid $60 for it. Its a bit odd not having the game since I've bought em all day one. But this is a slap in the face to everyone after how far along ufc 3 came with patches.

But it'll be worth it when its $10 and has about 8 patches. Also saves me all the headaches of playing a broken and incomplete game.

[teezie]

Re: Endless Piggy Back, Clinching and takedown spam

And why R2 R1 submission is so easy to success on offenders side? whenever offender failed one attempt, why there's no stamina penalty added(as in real life)? this submission is extremely easy to success and very spammable.

This has been raised as an issue by me during the last game. Can't believe we're 4 games into the series and still talking about proper stamina tax for attempting submissions. IRL there are times a fighter is completely gassed after attempting submissions during a round. Allowing players to go for infinite attempts without a stamina penalty is insane and leads to wildly unrealistic play. Can't believe this is something that still needs to be patched.

[12_Adriyel_12]

Re: Endless Piggy Back, Clinching and takedown spam

When people spam the clinch and I'm tee'ing off on their head with hooks and body shots, the clinch spammer should get rocked or the clinch should break quicker. The clincher's body is WIDE open, so how are my body shots from clinch defense not hurting the clincher? Liver shots are right there.

[Creamofwheat]

Re: Endless Piggy Back, Clinching and takedown spam

When people spam the clinch and I'm tee'ing off on their head with hooks and body shots, the clinch spammer should get rocked or the clinch should break quicker. The clincher's body is WIDE open, so how are my body shots from clinch defense not hurting the clincher? Liver shots are right there.

Very true for example: Silva vs. Weidman 2

Silva got the Thai clinch on Weidman but Weidman was able to get out of it by throwing hooks around the Thai plum and was able to knock Silva down from that.

[Painless taken]

Re: Endless Piggy Back, Clinching and takedown spam

I’m at the point where any one whose constantly reaching is getting power TD cheese no matter who I’m using