Buff subs

[Evil97]

Re: Buff subs

So what makes you an authority on higher levels?

Not even gonna go down that road of addressing why that doesn't matter for many reasons, but he's right you know. Limb subs are worthless. You can easily escape while completely gassed.
People don't need to take our word for it, most folks are getting the hang of the mini game, and you can see videos of recent ESFL events and also tons of recent streams from Ed Parker, Romero, and like the one I posted above from Pry.

[tomitomitomi]

Re: Buff subs

Not even gonna go down that road of addressing why that doesn't matter for many reasons, but he's right you know. Limb subs are worthless. You can easily escape while completely gassed.
People don't need to take our word for it, most folks are getting the hang of the mini game, and you can see videos of recent ESFL events and also tons of recent streams from Ed Parker, Romero, and like the one I posted above from Pry.

Those people are much more credible authorities than John if you want to use high level gameplay as your argument.

[johnmangala]

Re: Buff subs

Those people are much more credible authorities than John if you want to use high level gameplay as your argument.

It's not my whole argument tho. Even at low quick match level it's too easy to escape subs at low stamina.

[johnmangala]

Re: Buff subs

Low stamina subs should be harder to get out of. It was good in ufc 3.

[UndisputedKing]

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If you can stay calm youll get out of all subs even with no stamina.

[johnmangala]

Re: Buff subs

Subs at low stamina should either not allow you to small bar or the bar progresses faster.

[Painless taken]

Re: Buff subs

The obvious answer is too make the starting bar larger when the opponent is out of stamina but they will never do that because they continue to protect scrubs who refuse to learn about grappling. Thus playing with BJJ grapplers will continue to be pointless because the threat of a sub will never occur

[Bigg Cee]

Re: Buff subs

I really hope a EA Dev can look at choke subs and see that they are completely useless at the highest levels or the lowest levels. If you understand the mechanics then you will never ever sub a opponent or be subbed. Even if your opponent has no stamina.

Joints subs are also pretty easy to get out of with no stamina. The only subs that work correctly are chain subs and striking during a sub animation which both increase how fast you pull it off.

Please buff choke/joint subs EA. Please!!!!!!!

[johnmangala]

Re: Buff subs

FTF subs are not only rarer they come up in less spots. I used to finish many fights with FTF subs but in UFC 4 I havent gotten one FTF sub yet.

[Zyaf]

Re: Buff subs

FTF subs are not only rarer they come up in less spots. I used to finish many fights with FTF subs but in UFC 4 I havent gotten one FTF sub yet.

I've actually been getting a good bit of FTF subs. I suggest using the arm triangle from that side mount-ish FTF position; it and the back flat RNCs are the only viable choke subs atm. A body drop into an armbar from knee on belly is usually a finish for me as well.

[johnmangala]

Re: Buff subs

I've actually been getting a good bit of FTF subs. I suggest using the arm triangle from that side mount-ish FTF position; it and the back flat RNCs are the only viable choke subs atm. A body drop into an armbar from knee on belly is usually a finish for me as well.

What are the conditions for FTF to pop up?

[Zyaf]

Re: Buff subs

What are the conditions for FTF to pop up?

Knock the opponent down into knee on belly or side mount, or get a significant stamina advantage in either knee on belly or top mount postured.

[TurkeyOfJive]

Re: Buff subs

Knock the opponent down into knee on belly or side mount, or get a significant stamina advantage in either knee on belly or top mount postured.

Not sure if this was posted earlier but you also need to hold L2 for the option to appear - this confused me at the start!

[johnmangala]

Re: Buff subs

So I recently got my ps4 fixed, been playing with updated subs in UFC 4. They are still underpowered. I saw some other people saying the same on discord. Joint subs are decent but they could be more powerful. If anything were supposed to be stronger choke subs should be easier to get.

I thought wedge size was supposed to be bigger for sub specialists. This was good in theory but in application little difference is there.

Subs should be useful regardless at low stamina no matter the level. You can ko people with Maia. I should be able to submit people fine with Ngannou. He even did a few subs.

Also why is the transition to back flat up not down like before. That isnt oriented right. That up transition would make more sense as a roll to back sitting.

[Abstrakt fists]

Re: Buff subs

So I recently got my ps4 fixed, been playing with updated subs in UFC 4. They are still underpowered. I saw some other people saying the same on discord. Joint subs are decent but they could be more powerful. If anything were supposed to be stronger choke subs should be easier to get.

I thought wedge size was supposed to be bigger for sub specialists. This was good in theory but in application little difference is there.

Subs should be useful regardless at low stamina no matter the level. You can ko people with Maia. I should be able to submit people fine with Ngannou. He even did a few subs.

Also why is the transition to back flat up not down like before. That isnt oriented right. That up transition would make more sense as a roll to back sitting.

I feel okay about where joint subs are at. I was able to finish a few people with them last night. I am a stand up guy but I will go for the sub if I end up in position. I feel like I am finishing 3 of 4 joint sub attempts. The choke is terrible though. I never even come close to finishing with those.