UFC 4 sets a launch sales record for the EA UFC seriess

[Blackman316]

Re: UFC 4 sets a launch sales record for the EA UFC seriess

Lets not break our arm patting them on the back.

And who exactly is doing that? Surely you must've dreamt about that, Sleep Doctor.


The title of this topic is merely an observation. There's no 'patting' involved.



Plenty of people nowadays are willing to shell out 60$ for a 'newer' game that 'works' (or at least the basics work). Balance and depth don't really seem to matter for those people, and that's their right I guess. I evaluated the game and they've JUST done enough to get my purchase. If the game was more expensive I wouldn't have bought it, or if it had less content. I guess that's the art: to provide just enough for people to bite, like their FIFA releases.

[SlimmerFredette]

Re: UFC 4 sets a launch sales record for the EA UFC seriess

Yep I am. I'm not here to provide "solutions".

I'm smart enough to know when a battle is lost. People here seem to think that the way to convince EA to change the game is continue to do what they did during the life of UFC 3. Post complaints non stop.

That had the opposite effect of what they wanted with 4. EA made the game less like they wanted it and removed features that only this community would want.

Actually, I'm wrong. I did provide a solution. I told this forum weeks before release what this game was. EA gave you guys two opportunities to play the game before release.

I told people to not buy the game if they were unhappy with what EA has done.

Still, the majority of people bought the game and played a role in their record sales.

So sorry if I'm negative to a bunch of people who complain but are still willing to hand over $60 for a game that they knew they wouldnt like.

I'm glad you bold your points because alone they don't stand tall on its own.

Anyways, If you're smart enough to know the battle is lost since EA isn't listening to you/us/OS, how come you're not smart enough to stop berating the "bunch of people who complain but are still willing to hand over $60 for a game that they knew they wouldn't like?"

If your assumptions are correct, the hardcore fanbase on this forum is negligible. I mean, if our demands aren't being met, who cares if they buy the game or not, right?

[aholbert32]

Re: UFC 4 sets a launch sales record for the EA UFC seriess

I'm glad you bold your points because alone they don't stand tall on its own.

Anyways, If you're smart enough to know the battle is lost since EA isn't listening to you/us/OS, how come you're not smart enough to stop berating the "bunch of people who complain but are still willing to hand over $60 for a game that they knew they wouldn't like?"

If your assumptions are correct, the hardcore fanbase on this forum is negligible. I mean, if our demands aren't being met, who cares if they buy the game or not, right?

I berate them because I can. I dont think intelligence has anything to do with it. Just like your silly *** continues to post here even though they didnt (and like wont) give you the game you want. You do it because you can.

Your last statement is just flat out wrong. I dont believe that the hardcore fanbase is "negligible". I believe that they have more power than they realize. I think that if they actually let their wallet speak and exercised that power, EA would be willing to actually cater to their needs. ****, I bolded that post...now it wont stand tall on its own.

When I heard and saw what the game was, I thought this was a great opportunity to show EA that this community matters but thats not what happened because people like you bought the game. So I will continue to berate them (and you) and you will continue to post here cluelessly as if the majority of your suggestions actually matter or will make it into the game. Deal?

[SlimmerFredette]

Re: UFC 4 sets a launch sales record for the EA UFC seriess

I berate them because I can. I dont think intelligence has anything to do with it. Just like your silly *** continues to post here even though they didnt (and like wont) give you the game you want. You do it because you can.

Your last statement is just flat out wrong. I dont believe that the hardcore fanbase is "negligible". I believe that they have more power than they realize. I think that if they actually let their wallet speak and exercised that power, EA would be willing to actually cater to their needs ****, I bolded that post...now it wont stand tall on its own.

When I heard and saw what the game was, I thought this was a great opportunity to show EA that this community matters but thats not what happened because people like you bought the game. So I will continue to berate them (and you) and you will continue to post here cluelessly as if the majority of your suggestions actually matter or will make it into the game. Deal?

1) I did not buy the game. I played the Beta & EA Access and that's it. I still play UFC 3 though.

It was easy for me though, however, I understand why those who are fans of the sport and want new player models would continue to buy the game -- and that is inevitable. The revolution you're calling for is unrealistic.


2) You said yourself that a big reason the game did so well is that it was marketed towards casual players and they purchased the game -- however you reached that conclusion, it leads me to believe that the purchasing power of the "hardcore" fans is negligible or else why would they strongly market the game away from its hardcore fans...? You consistently state how the EA could give a damn about OS and Reddit -- yet, like everyone else complaining -- here you are with your tin foil hat banging on pots.

I'd be curious to know what % of EA's sales are from returning customers -- if you have that information I'd like to see it. That would clear up a lot of stuff.

[aholbert32]

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1) I did not buy the game. I played the Beta & EA Access and that's it. I still play UFC 3 though.

It was easy for me though, however, I understand why those who are fans of the sport and want new player models would continue to buy the game -- and that is inevitable. The revolution you're calling for is unrealistic.


2) You said yourself that a big reason the game did so well is that it was marketed towards casual players and they purchased the game -- however you reached that conclusion, it leads me to believe that the purchasing power of the "hardcore" fans is negligible or else why would they strongly market the game away from its hardcore fans...? You consistently state how the EA could give a damn about OS and Reddit -- yet, like everyone else complaining -- here you are with your tin foil hat banging on pots.

I'd be curious to know what % of EA's sales are from returning customers -- if you have that information I'd like to see it. That would clear up a lot of stuff.

I dont give a **** if you call my "revolution" unrealistic. Its more realistic then continuing to buy the game and hope that they will make a change.

As for the bold, I'll tell you how I reached that conclusion. THE LEAD DEVELOPER OF THE GAME MADE A PRESENTATION BEFORE RELEASE. He explained to us their strategy. He supported that strategy with data.

Now the following part is an assumption based on the data that was presented and it doesnt take a PHD to discover that this assumption is likely true because it is true in practically every EA game.

EA knew that many hardcore gamers would be upset about the direction of UFC 4. I've been told that directly. My assumption is they believed that while they would lose some hardcore gamers...most of them would do what it appears they did.

As you said, they are "fans of the sport and need new player models" and bought the game even thought it wasnt marketed to them.

See this isnt me with a "tin foil hat". This is me having more information than you and you not knowing what the **** you are talking about.

Most of the people here already know this. You apparently didn't. I'm glad I could pass this information on to you.

[TheShizNo1]

Re: UFC 4 sets a launch sales record for the EA UFC seriess

I can't comprehend some of the stuff in this thread. Really.

Leading up to the game dropping, Aholbert (I know, not the best source for some of you) was pretty much dropping blatant hints the whole time that this is not the MMA game that most want. Even Geoff dropped little tidbits here and there saying as much. People still found reasons to get hype and to give EA the benefit of the doubt.

Then they drop a trailer talking about a kumite, bum fights backyard arena, and masks..... Stop here, man. This was like, your back of the box features. I mean.... they pretty much told you what the game would be.

Then the game drops...... [emoji2377]...... and you guys get full on ads.....

Now it's released that the game had the best launch sales to date of the series and some of you are still trying to fight it lol. How much more proof do you need?

Money talks. Or at the very least, numbers talk. Have there been any social media trends like Madden has had as far as #fixmaddenfranchise or #nfldropea?

Nah, man. Most of the people that come here with great ideas and breakdowns and that said they refused to buy the game until **** was fixed or added....... still bought the game. No uproar was big/loud enough on social media (where all the devs are) to make anyone care.....

So the cycle restarts with those of you refusing to give up hope and coming here spewing **** that needs to be added that won't be but you'll still buy it..... and we'll be here again for UFC 5.

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[GameplayDevUFC]

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I can't comprehend some of the stuff in this thread. Really.

Leading up to the game dropping, Aholbert (I know, not the best source for some of you) was pretty much dropping blatant hints the whole time that this is not the MMA game that most want. Even Geoff dropped little tidbits here and there saying as much. People still found reasons to get hype and to give EA the benefit of the doubt.

Then they drop a trailer talking about a kumite, bum fights backyard arena, and masks..... Stop here, man. This was like, your back of the box features. I mean.... they pretty much told you what the game would be.

Then the game drops...... [emoji2377]...... and you guys get full on ads.....

Now it's released that the game had the best launch sales to date of the series and some of you are still trying to fight it lol. How much more proof do you need?

Money talks. Or at the very least, numbers talk. Have there been any social media trends like Madden has had as far as #fixmaddenfranchise or #nfldropea?

Nah, man. Most of the people that come here with great ideas and breakdowns and that said they refused to buy the game until **** was fixed or added....... still bought the game. No uproar was big/loud enough on social media (where all the devs are) to make anyone care.....

So the cycle restarts with those of you refusing to give up hope and coming here spewing **** that needs to be added that won't be but you'll still buy it..... and we'll be here again for UFC 5.

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The biggest fuss was made over cowboy's beard.

And that was added in the first patch.

I think that speaks volumes to both what fans care about most, and EA's willingness to listen when enough of a fuss is made.

edit: And the ads. Those were taken out pretty quick too.

[tissues250]

Re: UFC 4 sets a launch sales record for the EA UFC seriess

Congratulation! Finally we will get Battle royal mode in EA UFC5.

[ryangil23]

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I think EA tries to find a balance between casual, hardcore and competitive. It’s not all towards casuals.

They do lean more towards arcade than sim but not completely. A certain level of skill does come into it as well. You can throw 100 1-2s if you want and people might think that’s not realistic but a decent player will have you out of there before stamina even matters anyway if you do that.

[Phillyboi207]

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I think EA tries to find a balance between casual, hardcore and competitive. It’s not all towards casuals.

They do lean more towards arcade than sim but not completely. A certain level of skill does come into it as well. You can throw 100 1-2s if you want and people might think that’s not realistic but a decent player will have you out of there before stamina even matters anyway if you do that.

I think this was the case for UFC 3.

UFC 3 was more like 50% comp, 25% casual, 25% sim.

UFC 4 is like 90% casual, 10% comp players.

[LarsP]

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I think this was the case for UFC 3.

UFC 3 was more like 50% comp, 25% casual, 25% sim.

UFC 4 is like 90% casual, 10% comp players.

And 0% offline players.

[ryangil23]

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I think this was the case for UFC 3.

UFC 3 was more like 50% comp, 25% casual, 25% sim.

UFC 4 is like 90% casual, 10% comp players.

Yeah it does seem as though they’ve went further towards the casuals with the emote things, kumite, backyard, CAFS with silly masks etc.

Gameplay-wise I don’t think the turning mechanics, backpack position and things like that are very casual friendly.

Striking is fairly similar to 3 although stamina seems a bit more forgiving. Block being a little weaker and being able to block while moving adds another layer.

Clinch and ground and pound I’d say are easier on a basic level for casuals since they can easily get in the clinch and fire off a couple of punches/knees without having to get to Thai like before to do some damage as well as being able to exit by just moving away. Ground and pound being stronger will probably help since they can easily posture up in guard and fire away whereas before you really had to pass guard to be able to do decent damage in ufc 3.

[sdpdude9]

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Well that is a bummer because they’re going to double down on it now. However, this very well could be an outlier because as I understand it, video game sales in general are up quite a bit. Still haven’t gotten it, I got the 10 hour trial and still haven’t used up all the time.

[MixedMetalArts]

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And 0% offline players.

I played it offline for about a week at least. Think I got halfway through career or so. Hit GOAT status, had enough at that point.

[The.Spoils.of.Babylo]

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I really don't understand why this game is getting so much hate. I don't post here often, but I visit the forum frequently because this site had the best info during UFC 3's lifespan. I'm just amazed at how different the posts are now compared to UFC 3. Please know that I consider myself a hardcore fan who has been watching MMA for 15+ years, former Jiu Jitsu practitioner, who wants Pride mode, universe mode, more fighters, and all that jazz. However, I truly don't understand why everyone here is hating so hard. Undisputed 3 was my favorite MMA game and I put countless hours into it, but in my opinion this game is much better. Sure UFC 4 isn't as customizable and I would love to see the offline features get more love although this has the best gameplay (IN MY OPINION), best career mode (AGAIN JUST MY OPINION), and the custom events results are now archived. I wouldn't change anything about the gameplay and I'm on my second career playthrough which I haven't done with an EA UFC game before. I just hope we get some type of universe/franchise/GM mode in the next edition which will make the EA games perfect for me. Sorry for the long post, this game is just getting so much hate and I wanted to voice that there are hardcore MMA fans who love this game. DISCLAIMER: This is just one person's opinion and hopefully you all don't roast me for it.