Are the forums indicative of the popularity of UFC 4?

[TheRizzzle]

Re: Are the forums indicative of the popularity of UFC 4?

Not gonna lie, I'm rarely on here anymore because of exactly what tomitomi said. Largely, this place is not worth my time with all the haters and trolls who, somehow, post 100 times about a game they never bought, will never buy, hate without playing it, etc. Has nothing to do with GPD being gone, I'm more active in the community now than I was when he was here, just not this community.



There's plenty more useful ways to spend my time both as a dev, and as a person. Any constructive post is instantly weighed down and buried.



I still check in in the hopes things will turn around, but so far they continue getting worse.

As someone that bought the game, I've tried to be respectful in explaining why I didn't in hopes that it isnt falling on deaf ears.

If someone is posting 100 times about a game they never bought...maybe they are trying to tell you something.

I'll give you a hint...I want to buy the game. There are things that can be done to earn my money. Maybe they happen. Maybe they don't. I still get plenty done in my life outside these forums either way.

Hopefully that doesn't come off any way other than intended. If you want my money...come get it.

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[Leiqueros]

Re: Are the forums indicative of the popularity of UFC 4?

Not gonna lie, I'm rarely on here anymore because of exactly what tomitomi said. Largely, this place is not worth my time with all the haters and trolls who, somehow, post 100 times about a game they never bought, will never buy, hate without playing it, etc. Has nothing to do with GPD being gone, I'm more active in the community now than I was when he was here, just not this community.

There's plenty more useful ways to spend my time both as a dev, and as a person. Any constructive post is instantly weighed down and buried.

I still check in in the hopes things will turn around, but so far they continue getting worse.

I did buy the game, of course there are things that bother me, but there are also others that I like

What especially bothers me is not being able to edit the statistics of my fighters as I could in previous games, that the stereotypes are only optional.

Likewise, I would like to have a greater capacity to save my created fighters, 22 is very little, if you do not plan to increase that figure, at least let us be able to save the fighters in external memory, and if I want to add one that does not erase the rest that I have created, let us save and add them individually without deleting what we have.

I value very positively the changes that are taking place for the better in the patches and updates, I hope that these changes continue and will fill much of what I would like to have in this game.

[tomitomitomi]

Re: Are the forums indicative of the popularity of UFC 4?

As someone that bought the game, I've tried to be respectful in explaining why I didn't in hopes that it isnt falling on deaf ears.

If someone is posting 100 times about a game they never bought...maybe they are trying to tell you something.

I'll give you a hint...I want to buy the game. There are things that can be done to earn my money. Maybe they happen. Maybe they don't. I still get plenty done in my life outside these forums either way.

Hopefully that doesn't come off any way other than intended. If you want my money...come get it.

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Mmmmmmmhmmmm.

This is another topic that has been covered a million times. The people who make the decisions in EA believe this forum's vision isn't as lucrative as their current vision. This forum, not to mention you as an individual, is just a drop in a massive ocean so this forum as a whole could boycott the next game and not make an impact. Obviously you can express your desires for the game but by now people should know whether their desires are likely to be implemented. If your wishes can't be in harmony with their vision then you're just wasting your time.

[SlimmerFredette]

Re: Are the forums indicative of the popularity of UFC 4?

Not gonna lie, I'm rarely on here anymore because of exactly what tomitomi said. Largely, this place is not worth my time with all the haters and trolls who, somehow, post 100 times about a game they never bought, will never buy, hate without playing it, etc. Has nothing to do with GPD being gone, I'm more active in the community now than I was when he was here, just not this community.

There's plenty more useful ways to spend my time both as a dev, and as a person. Any constructive post is instantly weighed down and buried.

I still check in in the hopes things will turn around, but so far they continue getting worse.

I call BS.

You may be more active than you previously have (obviously since you're the lone guy here now -- TaporSnap never really contributed to the forum), but GPD was active here and on Twitter. Very active. The difference was that the game(s) was/were miles better so the narrative wasn't nearly as grim.

It has a lot to do with GDP being gone and the lower quality product.

IMO, For a game made for casuals, I don't see how interacting with the "hardcore" base is useful, so I can see why the Devs are considerably less active. The discord is not that much more active.

I get it though, from a professional standpoint it must be tiring interacting with us (not to mention during a pandemic), but that's truly because the game product is a poor reflection of whatever work you and the other devs may have put into the game. Trolls always existed on this forum, so its time to deduce what is the cause of the disdain? Blaming it on the userbase won't get you very far.

I didn't by the game, but I watch content creators and read this forum and reddit in hopes that some major changes happen.

[Blackman316]

Re: Are the forums indicative of the popularity of UFC 4?

There are certain things I want in the game, and - like Cicero - I can't help but mention them every time in a post, just in case someone picks up on it.


There are, however, others that just don't get how it works. Sure, their opinion matters, but don't play the "no X or no buy" card. I still need to meet the person that refrains on buying a game because a handful of trolls are infecting the forums for a game. Most people will see right through that.


The reddit channel however is doing a good job on scaring people away with showing the worst of the game. I've never had any of those glitches happen ever (EAUFC1/2/3/4), but that's online for you I guess?



So about that coloured gear...

[TheRizzzle]

Re: Are the forums indicative of the popularity of UFC 4?

Mmmmmmmhmmmm.



This is another topic that has been covered a million times. The people who make the decisions in EA believe this forum's vision isn't as lucrative as their current vision. This forum, not to mention you as an individual, is just a drop in a massive ocean so this forum as a whole could boycott the next game and not make an impact. Obviously you can express your desires for the game but by now people should know whether their desires are likely to be implemented. If your wishes can't be in harmony with their vision then you're just wasting your time.

That's a typo on my part.

I did not buy the game.

I also don't really post that much compared to others. I also don't really care if they cater to my needs.

But it's also not true that I hate the game without playing it. I'd have to buy it to play it and know if I hated it.

It's also not true that I would never buy it. I just won't buy this version of it.

It's also not true that I'm a drop in the ocean. I am the ocean. If there was nothing left to conquer of this consumer base they wouldn't have made a strategic pivot in how they developed the game.

They know there are more people they can capture. They don't get nearly the same sales as other games. That's not entirely their fault. But the reason they don't have my money...is.

They may be satisfied with their sales and see no need to expand. But if they do, the next frontier is people like me.

I exist. There are others like me out there. But you're correct. Almost none of them hang out on OS. So I try to be more vocal than even I really care to be because I am underrepresented here.

But if the sentiment above is how they feel then eff it. I got other stuff to do and money to spend elsewhere.


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[aholbert32]

Re: Are the forums indicative of the popularity of UFC 4?

Mmmmmmmhmmmm.

This is another topic that has been covered a million times. The people who make the decisions in EA believe this forum's vision isn't as lucrative as their current vision. This forum, not to mention you as an individual, is just a drop in a massive ocean so this forum as a whole could boycott the next game and not make an impact. Obviously you can express your desires for the game but by now people should know whether their desires are likely to be implemented. If your wishes can't be in harmony with their vision then you're just wasting your time.

I dont completely believe this. The reason why EA is comfortable with the approach they took with UFC 4 is because they bet that hardcore fans would still buy the game. If you already have a segment of the audience locked in, you can take chances trying to bring in new buyers.

They were proven right. I havent seen a significant amount of hardcore fans who didnt buy the game and they appear to be VERY happy with the number of new people who bought the game.

[shoryukenimmortal]

Re: Are the forums indicative of the popularity of UFC 4?

As a new player - I thoroughly enjoy the game. My issue with it is the lack of content compared to the older games. I've been playing since ufc sudden impact. I'm looking forward to what's coming. It seems the last game had plenty of updates. I'm hoping as a user who hasn't played in a long time - that this game receives the same treatment.

[Skynet]

Re: Are the forums indicative of the popularity of UFC 4?

I call BS.

You may be more active than you previously have (obviously since you're the lone guy here now -- TaporSnap never really contributed to the forum), but GPD was active here and on Twitter. Very active. The difference was that the game(s) was/were miles better so the narrative wasn't nearly as grim.

It has a lot to do with GDP being gone and the lower quality product.

IMO, For a game made for casuals, I don't see how interacting with the "hardcore" base is useful, so I can see why the Devs are considerably less active. The discord is not that much more active.

I get it though, from a professional standpoint it must be tiring interacting with us (not to mention during a pandemic), but that's truly because the game product is a poor reflection of whatever work you and the other devs may have put into the game. Trolls always existed on this forum, so its time to deduce what is the cause of the disdain? Blaming it on the userbase won't get you very far.

I didn't by the game, but I watch content creators and read this forum and reddit in hopes that some major changes happen.

I've written at least 3 large responses to this and the other misguided sentiments expressed here and had to delete them all...professionalism and all that.

This is spreading misinformation, and it is simply wrong.

The game is not 'made for casuals'. The game is made for the MANY different kinds of users who all want to play it. That often means giving something to someone else at the expense of another. The larger a game gets, the wider its audience becomes. People see something that was done for another group of people and immediately lose sight of the fact that they too got something. It's magical.

The problem isn't GPD leaving. The problem is the incredible toxicity, entitlement, and aggression that this forum has shown of late. I don't come here to see people give me a thumbs up. I don't come here to look for people in love with the game. But I also sure as hell don't come here to listen to haters with no intention of an honest and open discussion. And sadly, that's exactly what 90% of the content here has become. People seem to think that paying $, or wanting to pay $, gives them some kind of right to disrespect and demand. It doesn't.

This forum might be slowly dying compared to how it thrived before, but I can assure you it has nothing to do with a dwindling player base or lack of developer interest. It has to do with people not wanting to be a part of the community being fostered here.

Edit: To be clear, I am deeply saddened by this turn, as I value community involvement very very highly, and have fought for many of the ideas discussed here and elsewhere, and many of the users here have grown on me in the years I've been around. I have promoted not just the content here, but the act of being directly involved with the community itself and the benefits that can bring to any team or company. But I can no longer direct people to this forum with hopes of them seeing the brighter side of the community. I will continue to lurk and linger, because I want to help foster something better than what we have now, and because despite the difficulties I know there is still feedback worth finding here.

But I will and have been focusing what time I dedicate to this to other methods of feedback. I can simply get far more value from people willing to have actual conversations, and that aren't so single minded about what improvement looks like, and how to get that across.

[Windtear]

Re: Are the forums indicative of the popularity of UFC 4?

I just hope people on this forum and the team who came up with this disaster do realize that the only "popularity" it got left is due to UFC's brand power and roaster.

Once if some unfortunate investor had to put money on these guys to build a game without UFC license, they shall learn what is reasonability.

[LarsP]

Re: Are the forums indicative of the popularity of UFC 4?

Maybe people are just fed up with EA holding the entire sports game industry hostage, by buying all the licenses and realising mediocre crap every year. Or the fact that EA deliberately exposes young kids to a possible gambling addiction, or the fact that every game they release is basically in an alpha state, and the same bugs reappear year after year. But sure, it's the community's fault.

[johnmangala]

Re: Are the forums indicative of the popularity of UFC 4?

I've written at least 3 large responses to this and the other misguided sentiments expressed here and had to delete them all...professionalism and all that.

This is spreading misinformation, and it is simply wrong.

The game is not 'made for casuals'. The game is made for the MANY different kinds of users who all want to play it. That often means giving something to someone else at the expense of another. The larger a game gets, the wider its audience becomes. People see something that was done for another group of people and immediately lose sight of the fact that they too got something. It's magical.

The problem isn't GPD leaving. The problem is the incredible toxicity, entitlement, and aggression that this forum has shown of late. I don't come here to see people give me a thumbs up. I don't come here to look for people in love with the game. But I also sure as hell don't come here to listen to haters with no intention of an honest and open discussion. And sadly, that's exactly what 90% of the content here has become. People seem to think that paying $, or wanting to pay $, gives them some kind of right to disrespect and demand. It doesn't.

This forum might be slowly dying compared to how it thrived before, but I can assure you it has nothing to do with a dwindling player base or lack of developer interest. It has to do with people not wanting to be a part of the community being fostered here.

Edit: To be clear, I am deeply saddened by this turn, as I value community involvement very very highly, and have fought for many of the ideas discussed here and elsewhere, and many of the users here have grown on me in the years I've been around. I have promoted not just the content here, but the act of being directly involved with the community itself and the benefits that can bring to any team or company. But I can no longer direct people to this forum with hopes of them seeing the brighter side of the community. I will continue to lurk and linger, because I want to help foster something better than what we have now, and because despite the difficulties I know there is still feedback worth finding here.

But I will and have been focusing what time I dedicate to this to other methods of feedback. I can simply get far more value from people willing to have actual conversations, and that aren't so single minded about what improvement looks like, and how to get that across.

I hope you ignore the hate and look at feedback more again. There are a few users here who give genuine feedback. Like buffing subs please.

[tomitomitomi]

Re: Are the forums indicative of the popularity of UFC 4?

Maybe people are just fed up with EA holding the entire sports game industry hostage, by buying all the licenses and realising mediocre crap every year. Or the fact that EA deliberately exposes young kids to a possible gambling addiction, or the fact that every game they release is basically in an alpha state, and the same bugs reappear year after year. But sure, it's the community's fault.

Imagine being the exact type of person he described and completely missing it.

I dont completely believe this. The reason why EA is comfortable with the approach they took with UFC 4 is because they bet that hardcore fans would still buy the game. If you already have a segment of the audience locked in, you can take chances trying to bring in new buyers.

They were proven right. I havent seen a significant amount of hardcore fans who didnt buy the game and they appear to be VERY happy with the number of new people who bought the game.

This is a fair take. I'm speaking from a pure numbers perspective that this forum and Discord have combined hundreds of users (maybe thousands? Really hard to say) whereas their customer base is assumably in the millions. Obviously the "hardcore gamer" label extends to other media as well but those numbers are impossible for me to estimate hence I excluded them.

[SlimmerFredette]

Re: Are the forums indicative of the popularity of UFC 4?

I've written at least 3 large responses to this and the other misguided sentiments expressed here and had to delete them all...professionalism and all that.

This is spreading misinformation, and it is simply wrong.

The game is not 'made for casuals'. The game is made for the MANY different kinds of users who all want to play it. That often means giving something to someone else at the expense of another. The larger a game gets, the wider its audience becomes. People see something that was done for another group of people and immediately lose sight of the fact that they too got something. It's magical.

The problem isn't GPD leaving. The problem is the incredible toxicity, entitlement, and aggression that this forum has shown of late. I don't come here to see people give me a thumbs up. I don't come here to look for people in love with the game. But I also sure as hell don't come here to listen to haters with no intention of an honest and open discussion. And sadly, that's exactly what 90% of the content here has become. People seem to think that paying $, or wanting to pay $, gives them some kind of right to disrespect and demand. It doesn't.

This forum might be slowly dying compared to how it thrived before, but I can assure you it has nothing to do with a dwindling player base or lack of developer interest. It has to do with people not wanting to be a part of the community being fostered here.

Edit: To be clear, I am deeply saddened by this turn, as I value community involvement very very highly, and have fought for many of the ideas discussed here and elsewhere, and many of the users here have grown on me in the years I've been around. I have promoted not just the content here, but the act of being directly involved with the community itself and the benefits that can bring to any team or company. But I can no longer direct people to this forum with hopes of them seeing the brighter side of the community. I will continue to lurk and linger, because I want to help foster something better than what we have now, and because despite the difficulties I know there is still feedback worth finding here.

But I will and have been focusing what time I dedicate to this to other methods of feedback. I can simply get far more value from people willing to have actual conversations, and that aren't so single minded about what improvement looks like, and how to get that across.

UFC4's own Creative Director Brian Hayes publicly stated that he doesn't even like MMA enough.... It starts from the top down.

https://twitter.com/TurnsUnstoned/status/1307725207415615488?s=20

but alas, here we are...


Anyways, you mention me spreading misinformation, but you don't even refute much of anything except the "game made for casuals thing," which is purely subjective. I think it is made for casuals because of the very basic cosmetic items that don't at all and have never existed in MMA video games, but that's just my opinion. I hear you though.

The thing is that not once in your post do you mention any fault in the game that may have caused any disdain by members of this forum, Reddit, etc. It's very easy to deflect. Somehow the community was fine (i use that liberally) prior to UFC 4, and then **** hit the fan once UFC 4 came out. Did the make-up of the community just change all of a sudden? Maybe, but we'd need some empirical facts to back that up. I'm sure you could get those if you wanted.

Of course there are trolls, but the same people who were here when GPD was active, are the same people here now.

I think the game took a turn for a worse when a 48 hour BETA was released without any comprehensive controls or tutorials for the new clinch aspect of that game. That clearly frustrated users a lot, but nothing was done about that. Til this day -- and correct me if I'm wrong -- many of the clinch movements must be found using outside tutorials. That's just my opinion though.


At some point, someone needs to take responsibility for this and it can't just be deflected towards the user base here. I get it, its tough to sift through the trolls and find legitimate criticizes, but GPD did it, why can you? or TaporSnap. Maybe you're not built for it -- and that's fine, I'd honestly prefer that answer, rather than making a grandiose statement on the userbase here.

Look, I don't want to make it seem like I'm bashing you here, but this typa stuff isn't unique to this forum or this game. EA itself has had a mass exodus of a very toxic userbase with Battlefront II. I'm not saying this is that level (mainly because I'm not so well-versed in what happened there), but EA took initiative and the userbase (at least on reddit) is more benevolent now. We can get there, but a lot of it has to do with sifting through the BS and responding to the true complaints. I saw you do this with the thread concerning the international pants. But now the question is, will it get fixed? who knows.

I don't think either of us are wrong. I don't think that either of us are spreading misinformation. We just have different perspectives as you are speaking from a professional and developmental capacity and I am speaking from a consumer perspective. All I know for sure is that trolls and harsh criticism existed on this forum well before GPD's departure. I'm sure you're aware as well. There are a couple missing pieces that make our current situation different, all depends on what you think they are. However, at some point, the developer can't just avoid the most active of their consumer base.

[aholbert32]

Re: Are the forums indicative of the popularity of UFC 4?

UFC4's own Creative Director Brian Hayes publicly stated that he doesn't even like MMA enough.... It starts from the top down.

https://twitter.com/TurnsUnstoned/status/1307725207415615488?s=20

LOL. Come on now. Lets quote him correctly. That tweet is about his dislike of Covington.