Are the forums indicative of the popularity of UFC 4?

[ryangil23]

Re: Are the forums indicative of the popularity of UFC 4?

Tbh I’d rather have a deeper roster than more detailed old unranked fighters. There are quite a few ranked fighters who aren’t even in the game. Fair enough some of them will have only been ranked recently but there must be around 15-20 fighters in the top 15 and some even top 10 who aren’t in the game.

[Sirsunny]

Re: Are the forums indicative of the popularity of UFC 4?

I think so.

This game is a big mess. I was looking forward to it big time but when I played the beta I had seen enough.
The masks and animal faces are horrible and does not belong in this series.
The ko system is still broken and look like ****.
Just a horrible game and I really hope EA will lose the license.
Let somebody else have a try.

[aholbert32]

Re: Are the forums indicative of the popularity of UFC 4?

Will posts like this improve the game? Absolutely, 100% they will. As long as the devs see them, they will make a difference. Positive or negative opinions - all lead to a deeper understand of how your game is being received.

Skynet is saying the exact opposite and he is a dev. He is saying constant posts like that are what's driving the devs away from this site and the proof is here given that Skynet is the only one who primarily posts here and not alot.

[johnmangala]

Re: Are the forums indicative of the popularity of UFC 4?

Skynet is saying the exact opposite and he is a dev. He is saying constant posts like that are what's driving the devs away from this site and the proof is here given that Skynet is the only one who primarily posts here and not alot.

But dont you have a ban mechanic for that? Plenty of trolls have been banned already.

[tomitomitomi]

Re: Are the forums indicative of the popularity of UFC 4?

Maybe other people would have used him more if his character model wasn't outrageously outdated, and his moveset actually matched the moves he actually uses.

For a guy that gets made fun of for constantly throwing (low power)spinning strikes, he literally didn't have a single spinning strike in the game....





Just like Tim Means for example. If you read the "data", how many people actually use Tim Means? Probably no one. But that's not because no one likes Tim Means, it's because his character model has been absolutely brutalized for 3 games straight. Not even his fans want to use that terrible character model. I would know, because I am a huge fan of his. I would bet my entire bank account if his character model was correct, he would be used SIGNIFICANTLY more than he is.



Data can tell you some things, but it doesn't tell you the whole story.

I thought I replied to this but guess not.

I generally agree with the sentiment that there's less of an incentive to use characters who clearly don't get updated and you can't just follow data blindly but at the same time Tim Means or Elias Theudorou aren't exactly the hills to die on. More people would use the poop emoji mask than Tim Means no matter how faithful his character was.

You're also being disingenuous in your reply to Philly. You phrase it as if he thinks you should only praise the game when he was clearly referring to the toxic manner in which people conduct themselves. He's complained about numerous things himself.

[Blackman316]

Re: Are the forums indicative of the popularity of UFC 4?

and I really hope EA will lose the license.
Let somebody else have a try.

And start from scratch? You must be stupid as a dev to put a truckload of resources on a non-mainstream sport now as you won't get any profits at all. Sure, all the pissed off people on the forums will surely buy the game. That'll get them a couple 'o 100 sales. Not sure about the rest of the fans though. Most of them will own EAUFC3 by now. If it'll be some shallow game like the 'other' MMA games like Supremacy, a lot of them will pass.

[aholbert32]

Re: Are the forums indicative of the popularity of UFC 4?

But dont you have a ban mechanic for that? Plenty of trolls have been banned already.

Sure but they arent banned until it gets to an extreme amount and many of them just make a new account and start all over again. Also that doesnt have **** to do with if a dev wants to spend time here.

I've been saying for years that the devs being here is a privilege not a obligation. They dont have to come here and interact with yall if they dont want to. If they arent finding the input here to be beneficial...they were always going to leave.

That appears to be what happened. It is what it is.

[Haz____]

Re: Are the forums indicative of the popularity of UFC 4?

Skynet is saying the exact opposite and he is a dev. He is saying constant posts like that are what's driving the devs away from this site and the proof is here given that Skynet is the only one who primarily posts here and not alot.

Doesn't matter if it's here, or there. Positive, and negative opinions will objectively have an influence if read.


Now if they want to spend all their time in a discord where all conflicting ideas are silenced, thats their prerogative. But that will only give them a stifled view of the whole picture.

[aholbert32]

Re: Are the forums indicative of the popularity of UFC 4?

Doesn't matter if it's here, or there. Positive, and negative opinions will objectively have an influence if read.


Now if they want to spend all their time in a discord where all conflicting ideas are silenced, thats their prerogative. But that will only give them a stifled view of the whole picture.

I dont know what you are arguing against. Skynet nor any dev is saying all they want is positive opinions. In fact, he's clearly said that he encourages people to state issues that they have with the game.

But that isnt the issue. The issue is how people here express those opinions and that discourages devs from even reading the posts here because many here dont know how to constructively criticize the game. Because of that issue, dev's arent interacting as much as they used to.

[Haz____]

Re: Are the forums indicative of the popularity of UFC 4?

I dont know what you are arguing against. Skynet nor any dev is saying all they want is positive opinions. In fact, he's clearly said that he encourages people to state issues that they have with the game.

But that isnt the issue. The issue is how people here express those opinions and that discourages devs from even reading the posts here because many here dont know how to constructively criticize the game. Because of that issue, dev's arent interacting as much as they used to.

I could care less whether the devs are here or not. That's on them.

Do you want to live in an echo chamber or do you want a clear vision of reality?

My point is that all opinions are valid. Period.

If as a creator you don't want to read those opinions, that's on you.




I am a musician, and artist. When I show my friends my art, 90% of them always tell me it's great, regardless of whether it is or not. My 10% of friends that are also artists will tell me whats actually wrong. Their critisism is way more constructive to me; despite them pointing out my flaws, their criticism is what enables growth within me.







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Also... It's not like we all had a secret meeting and decided we were just going to hate on this game no matter what.... People are expressing how they feel, because that's how they feel. There is no conspiracy. This isnt Last of Us 2. People aren't flocking to troll just to make some type of politically charged stance.


This is just the real, raw expression of how people feel. Take it or leave it. But their opinions are just as authentic and valid as anyone elses.







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Also... Does it even matter if the devs are here? Literally? Even in past iterations of this game, when the devs "wanted to be here", they have proven without a shadow of a doubt - with UFC 4, that they not only don't listen to what we actually want, they flat out don't care, and are going to do whatever they want regardless.

At that point, it doesn't matter if they are here or not

[The_Waterboy92]

Re: Are the forums indicative of the popularity of UFC 4?

Even in past iterations of this game, when the devs "wanted to be here", they have proven without a shadow of a doubt - with UFC 4, that they not only don't listen to what we actually want, they flat out don't care, and are going to do whatever they want regardless.

This is honesty the point I’m at. Right or wrong, they’ve decided to take the game in a direction I do not agree with and do not enjoy playing. Understanding that, I keep my thoughts to myself and don’t buy their product. They will do what they want regardless of our thoughts/opinions because their bottom line is most likely profit which means catering to the largest possible audience they can

[aholbert32]

Re: Are the forums indicative of the popularity of UFC 4?

I could care less whether the devs are here or not. That's on them.

Do you want to live in an echo chamber or do you want a clear vision of reality?

My point is that all opinions are valid. Period.

If as a creator you don't want to read those opinions, that's on you.




I am a musician, and artist. When I show my friends my art, 90% of them always tell me it's great, regardless of whether it is or not. My 10% of friends that are also artists will tell me whats actually wrong. Their critisism is way more constructive to me; despite them pointing out my flaws, their criticism is what enables growth within me.







*edit*
Also... It's not like we all had a secret meeting and decided we were just going to hate on this game no matter what.... People are expressing how they feel, because that's how they feel. There is no conspiracy. This isnt Last of Us 2. People aren't flocking to troll just to make some type of politically charged stance.


This is just the real, raw expression of how people feel. Take it or leave it. But their opinions are just as authentic and valid as anyone elses.


*edit**edit*
Also... Does it even matter if the devs are here? Literally? Even in past iterations of this game, when the devs "wanted to be here", they have proven without a shadow of a doubt - with UFC 4, that they not only don't listen to what we actually want, they flat out don't care, and are going to do whatever they want regardless.

At that point, it doesn't matter if they are here or not

All opinions arent valid. For example, I dont play the game online at all but if I came here and behind the scenes talking to the devs about how I wanted online to be...I would be presenting an invalid opinion because I dont know **** about online play.

There are people here who clearly play the game and have played past games and can clearly and honestly express what they want to see in the game. There are also people here who primarily want to just troll or hammer on about one particular issue in every single thread. This site would be much better if there was more of the former than the latter.

I guess I want to know what OS is to you. If the purpose of this particular forum is for 20-30 people to sit here and complain about the same things for years on end...thats fine. I'm serious....thats absolutely fine. Thats also likely what this forum will be from here on out.

For me personally, I was a member of OS before the UFC/THQ games so this particular forum can come or go but many of the people came here because they could specifically discuss issues with people like GPD and Skynet. They could get direct feedback from a dev about particular issues and at times have things that they want added to the game.

There is a price that you have to pay to get that kind of interaction. You have to be constructive in your criticism. You have to be able to accept when that dev team makes a decision to do things you dont want.

Now people in this forum may not be willing to pay that price and thats fine. Maybe not you but I regularly here complaints about the devs not being around or interacting or listening to people here and maybe some of that is because of how people have interacted or currently interact with them.

Just my 2 cents. I've accepted the game for what it is at this point. I've also accepted this forum for what it is.

[Heartsoreswine1994]

Re: Are the forums indicative of the popularity of UFC 4?

I’ve been a constant lurker and one of these “hate” posters. I brought the game with out checking anything because I like to go in blind it’s how I am. And with ufc 3 I was really expecting a lot because of how much the game changed for the better from 2.
I’m from aus so I was riddled with the glitch where you couldn’t even play online for three months and was trying to chase down A refun but alas they patched it after like 5 updates and now it works, so here I am. The game is terrible. There really is no defending it. But It’s not the devs fault. Like ea as a publisher has literally released every sports game this year as a copy paste our little mma game seems like the only one that the devs actually made some changes in (although in my opinion weren’t fully game tested and worked on enough) I thing the series is at the point where we can say. PRAISE UFC 3 those devs were given the time to make a nice improvement on the previous series. It had problems but man they really fkn tried. This game is a cash in. But it still is miles ahead in terms of improvements compared to ea’s other sports titles so let’s give the devs credit for that atleast. I’m still gonna play ufc 4 for a month or so and see how I adapt but I can really see myself going back to 3 as it’s just a deeper game in terms of balance and player accountability from what I’m experiencing so far. That definitely plays into why half the people here aren’t active anymore... it’s a dead series this last game was the nail in the coffin. If they bring out ufc 5 and it’s completely different with heaps of content the people will come back. You can’t release a mediocre game and expect forums around it to be thriving. NOT BLAMING THE DEVS. It’s the publishers fault. As you can see throughout ALL of ea’s sports titles this year

[Heartsoreswine1994]

Re: Are the forums indicative of the popularity of UFC 4?

All opinions arent valid. For example, I dont play the game online at all but if I came here and behind the scenes talking to the devs about how I wanted online to be...I would be presenting an invalid opinion because I dont know **** about online play.

There are people here who clearly play the game and have played past games and can clearly and honestly express what they want to see in the game. There are also people here who primarily want to just troll or hammer on about one particular issue in every single thread. This site would be much better if there was more of the former than the latter.

I guess I want to know what OS is to you. If the purpose of this particular forum is for 20-30 people to sit here and complain about the same things for years on end...thats fine. I'm serious....thats absolutely fine. Thats also likely what this forum will be from here on out.

For me personally, I was a member of OS before the UFC/THQ games so this particular forum can come or go but many of the people came here because they could specifically discuss issues with people like GPD and Skynet. They could get direct feedback from a dev about particular issues and at times have things that they want added to the game.

There is a price that you have to pay to get that kind of interaction. You have to be constructive in your criticism. You have to be able to accept when that dev team makes a decision to do things you dont want.

Now people in this forum may not be willing to pay that price and thats fine. Maybe not you but I regularly here complaints about the devs not being around or interacting or listening to people here and maybe some of that is because of how people have interacted or currently interact with them.

Just my 2 cents. I've accepted the game for what it is at this point. I've also accepted this forum for what it is.

Devs don’t want to hear a troll telling them their game sucks we get it. It sucks. And you’re right they probably have left for that reason. But my advice to the decs would be to look for the gold on the rubble and not just run to a place where they will get praise (which I doubt is anywhere at this moment) because that won’t make the game any better. I want little things in this game that can easily be patched in the would change the public perspective TEN FOLD. a simple reply editor. Photo mode. Online tournaments. Bjj/wrestling online. Mandatory Quick match Radom fighter select. Party mode with random traits custom fighter select. Offline challenges where you have to finish with a certain strike/grapple position/sub. These are all minor things that if the devs came here and informed the haters/trolls they can see these suggestions to make the game better with minor updates. Man if this game had a decent reply editor I would play this game so much it isn’t funny.

[Blackman316]

Re: Are the forums indicative of the popularity of UFC 4?

Of course we get that some decisions are made, but the conscious decision NOT to implement certain small tweaks and take away some key choices (for CaF) is just weird. As one sole dev I'm sure they know that they can't change these things so why take it personal?


Calling it "simply terrible" when you're mad about the general direction is just wrong. As most will realise, that's on the publisher, ergo: EA. EA UFC3 was good. Whether or not 4 is better is a matter of opinion. I personally find it a little better, but expected more. But terrible?