Lets talk about these new ragdoll KOs

[the_rainman]

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somehow looks worse

[wyrm187]

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Hilarity. I'm happy they're back in

https://youtu.be/bZXVhRmjSPs

[TapOrSnap]

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Hilarity. I'm happy they're back in

https://youtu.be/bZXVhRmjSPs

I'm glad you are enjoying it. We knew when we put it back in we would get some weird falls but that was kind of the point.

For those of you concerned that the ragdolls might introduce any sort of exploit I want to let you know that they only happen when the fight is already over, much like how jumping into the finish the fight strikes happens when the fight is already over. Any other situation which would have been survivable via the twiddle the stick mechanic we had in UFC 3 during FTF instead takes you to the GnP positions where the bottom fighter is given a chance to actually intelligently defend instead of just madly wearing out their analogue stick.

We have gated the full ragdolls on knockouts which are well above the severity required to ko to simulate the situation in a fight where the winner knows his opponent is out as soon as the punch lands. The diving punch finish the fights will still occur on knockouts which are severe enough to ko the opponent but not severe enough to cause a full ragdoll.

[oilersfan365]

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I'm glad you are enjoying it. We knew when we put it back in we would get some weird falls but that was kind of the point.

For those of you concerned that the ragdolls might introduce any sort of exploit I want to let you know that they only happen when the fight is already over, much like how jumping into the finish the fight strikes happens when the fight is already over. Any other situation which would have been survivable via the twiddle the stick mechanic we had in UFC 3 during FTF instead takes you to the GnP positions where the bottom fighter is given a chance to actually intelligently defend instead of just madly wearing out their analogue stick.

We have gated the full ragdolls on knockouts which are well above the severity required to ko to simulate the situation in a fight where the winner knows his opponent is out as soon as the punch lands. The diving punch finish the fights will still occur on knockouts which are severe enough to ko the opponent but not severe enough to cause a full ragdoll.

I cannot thank you guys enough for the ragdoll ko's. That was the only reason I still played 2. Hopefully with the new consoles being out now hopefully UFC 5 can improve these physics.

[Reinfarcements]

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We have gated the full ragdolls on knockouts which are well above the severity required to ko to simulate the situation in a fight where the winner knows his opponent is out as soon as the punch lands. The diving punch finish the fights will still occur on knockouts which are severe enough to ko the opponent but not severe enough to cause a full ragdoll.

I actually like the idea of the "looseness" of the ragdoll being based on how severe the knockout was. Thats a cool concept.

That being said, this is causing a very large amount of forced Walk-off KOs to happen due to the inability to enter Finish the Fight on a "Lights out" KO. I feel it is an overall step back in this area of the game and a lesser representation of the sport. I believe walk-off KOs should never be forced, it should be the choice of the player just as it is the choice of the fighter in real life.

The current system seems to restrict the teams ability to achieve "the best of both worlds". It seems we are constantly battling over having better KO physics and having a better Finish the Fight experience. How likely is it we could see an overhaul of this overall "KO system" to allow for these things to more seamlessly coexist?

[Skynet]

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The current system seems to restrict the teams ability to achieve "the best of both worlds". It seems we are constantly battling over having better KO physics and having a better Finish the Fight experience. How likely is it we could see an overhaul of this overall "KO system" to allow for these things to more seamlessly coexist?

100% not happening in patches.

[Reinfarcements]

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100% not happening in patches.

Had a feeling something like that was not possible with patches. I can understand that. While a rework like that isn't possible for the current game, I still hope you guys can improve this area of the game in smaller ways via patches.

I think KO/TKO scenarios in EA UFC 4 have potential to look and feel better than they do now.

[Stealthhh]

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I'm glad you are enjoying it. We knew when we put it back in we would get some weird falls but that was kind of the point.

For those of you concerned that the ragdolls might introduce any sort of exploit I want to let you know that they only happen when the fight is already over, much like how jumping into the finish the fight strikes happens when the fight is already over. Any other situation which would have been survivable via the twiddle the stick mechanic we had in UFC 3 during FTF instead takes you to the GnP positions where the bottom fighter is given a chance to actually intelligently defend instead of just madly wearing out their analogue stick.

We have gated the full ragdolls on knockouts which are well above the severity required to ko to simulate the situation in a fight where the winner knows his opponent is out as soon as the punch lands. The diving punch finish the fights will still occur on knockouts which are severe enough to ko the opponent but not severe enough to cause a full ragdoll.

Hey TapOrSnap, is there a possibility to patch in the ref to actually run to the fighter that got knocked out, instead of just wave his arms? We already have ref interactions so this would definitely add to the realism. Also is it possible to have the ref stay in the ring instead of disappear? Would really love to see these additions, since we can't jump in after a full ragdoll KO, this would solve this issue imo. I believe there's also a bug when you dive in after a knockdown or KO. Your fighter will sound like he throws 1 or 2 more punches, but the animation will stop and then the ref comes in. Is this an audio bug or is this intended to have your fighter keep throwing until the ref comes in like in UFC 3? I ask this because when using Masvidal, he keeps striking and doesn't pause, how it should be.

[wyrm187]

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How about the occasional mouth piece flying out? Loved that in undisputed

[TapOrSnap]

Re: Lets talk about these new ragdoll KOs

Hey TapOrSnap, is there a possibility to patch in the ref to actually run to the fighter that got knocked out, instead of just wave his arms? We already have ref interactions so this would definitely add to the realism. Also is it possible to have the ref stay in the ring instead of disappear? Would really love to see these additions, since we can't jump in after a full ragdoll KO, this would solve this issue imo. I believe there's also a bug when you dive in after a knockdown or KO. Your fighter will sound like he throws 1 or 2 more punches, but the animation will stop and then the ref comes in. Is this an audio bug or is this intended to have your fighter keep throwing until the ref comes in like in UFC 3? I ask this because when using Masvidal, he keeps striking and doesn't pause, how it should be.

Adding ref interactions on that scale would be a difficult challenge and would not be an efficient use of the resources we have available. I think we would be doing our players a disservice is that was where we spent our time. Every iteration of the game we have looked for ways to improve the ref and will continue to do so but you won't see any changes in that area in future UFC4 patches.