The Uriah Hall Problem

[TheUFCVeteran]

Re: The Uriah Hall Problem

Finished 3 times.

Once from a body shot...

He stood up IMMEDIATLY from the Brunson finish and actually protested the stoppage as early.

Moose took him down and threw punches at his guard untill the fight was stopped...

Was never out actually KOd or put out ever.



Now go look at Rockhold getting KOd repeteadly in devestating fashion. Savage, brutal knockouts.... Or Chris literally getting KOd 5 times in a row(would have been 6 because Gastelum was 2 second from KOing him too but he was saved by the bell).... Literally 2 completely different things. I mean not even comparable at all. In fact I think you've made my argument stronger even.

For what it's worth, none of Brunson's GnP actually landed, but the fight was stopped anyway. That's partially why he got up so fast.

[Haz____]

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For what it's worth, none of Brunson's GnP actually landed, but the fight was stopped anyway. That's partially why he got up so fast.

Fair that he was sat down, Brunson has huge power. But yeah, that was a bad stoppage. It was also less than a month after the Moose stoppage, and was a short notice fight, without a full camp.

[Phillyboi207]

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Finished 3 times.

Once from a body shot...

He stood up IMMEDIATLY from the Brunson finish and actually protested the stoppage as early.

Moose took him down and threw punches at his guard untill the fight was stopped...

Was never actually KOd or put out ever.



Now go look at Rockhold getting KOd repeteadly in devestating fashion. Savage, brutal knockouts.... Or Chris literally getting KOd 5 times in a row(would have been 6 because Gastelum was 2 second from KOing him too but he was saved by the bell).... Literally 2 completely different things. I mean not even comparable at all. In fact I think you've made my argument stronger even.

Not at all when you look at quality of competition.
If Uriah hall fought the same people Weidman did he’d likely he finished just as much (and likely finished vs Kelvin.).

When his ratings were done he was coming off being finished in 3/4 fights. I’m fine with arguing for an increase based on recent fights but he certainly hasn't shown himself to be durable.

[Haz____]

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Not at all when you look at quality of competition.
If Uriah hall fought the same people Weidman did he’d likely he finished just as much (and likely finished vs Kelvin.).

When his ratings were done he was coming off being finished in 3/4 fights. I’m fine with arguing for an increase based on recent fights but he certainly hasn't shown himself to be durable.

Ok, so I'm a huge Uriah Hall fan, that I admit, but I don't think you're giving him nearly enough credit either. Let's try to find an even ground.




Hall did fight Gastelum also, it was both of their first fight in the UFC, he lost, but it was a competetive fight, and a split dec.


So I agree Weidman has fought better competition, but when you look at- not just how many times Weidman has been put out, but also the devastating manner some of those knockouts happened in, I feel like it doesn't compare to a guy getting "TKO'd", and the fight called, but never actually going out.

In reality, Hall has never actually even been KOd. He's lost by "finish", but none of them were Hall actually getting Knocked out. I feel like those types of details matter?


Rockhold vs Bisping - Naaaasty KO. Left crumpled up against the cage a bloody mess.
Rockhold vs Romero - Another naaaasty KO. Left crumpled against the cage a bloody mess.
Rockhold vs Jan - Crazy nasty KO. Crushing shot puts him away completely.


Weidman vs Romero - Insane Flying Knee destroys Weidman. Leaves him a bloody mess.
Weidman vs Souza - 1 punch KO puts him out.
Weidman vs Reyes - 1 punch KO puts him out.
Weidman vs Luke & Moose - Got himself a loss trying to fake a DQ against Moose, and the Luke KO, while heavily damaging, wasn't really a devastating KO in that sense. But was knocked down and almost finished, even in the fight he won against Gastelum. Just showing a fragile chin repeatedly.


Hall vs Costa - Drops from a body shot. Gets up right away.
Hall vs Moose - Takedown and fight called from GnP on the guard. Very little damage actually done. Hall gets up immediately.
Hall vs Brunson - Hall never goes out. Gets up immediately and protests the stoppage.



I just feel like those aren't really in the same category of "Knockout".

Of the 3 times Uriah was finished, the Brunson 1 is the only time he was knocked down on the feet with a strike. And he got up immediately to argue with the ref in that 1, so it's kinda ehhhh...


If you don't think he has proven himself as durable, that's fair, but I also don't think he's proven himself as fragile either. He was eating bombs from Costa, and actually waiving Costa on for more. It wasn't until like 3-4 low blows(2 the ref actually called, and a bunch other the commentators talk about, but the ref doesn't see. Hall gets hit in the nuts like 4 times, then stopped by a body shot) that Hall started to slow down.


What do you think would be a fair chin and recovery stat for Hall?

[Phillyboi207]

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Ok, so I'm a huge Uriah Hall fan, that I admit, but I don't think you're giving him nearly enough credit either. Let's try to find an even ground.




Hall did fight Gastelum also, it was both of their first fight in the UFC, he lost, but it was a competetive fight, and a split dec.


So I agree Weidman has fought better competition, but when you look at- not just how many times Weidman has been put out, but also the devastating manner some of those knockouts happened in, I feel like it doesn't compare to a guy getting "TKO'd", and the fight called, but never actually going out.

In reality, Hall has never actually even been KOd. He's lost by "finish", but none of them were Hall actually getting Knocked out. I feel like those types of details matter?


Rockhold vs Bisping - Naaaasty KO. Left crumpled up against the cage a bloody mess.
Rockhold vs Romero - Another naaaasty KO. Left crumpled against the cage a bloody mess.
Rockhold vs Jan - Crazy nasty KO. Crushing shot puts him away completely.


Weidman vs Romero - Insane Flying Knee destroys Weidman. Leaves him a bloody mess.
Weidman vs Souza - 1 punch KO puts him out.
Weidman vs Reyes - 1 punch KO puts him out.
Weidman vs Luke & Moose - Got himself a loss trying to fake a DQ against Moose, and the Luke KO, while heavily damaging, wasn't really a devastating KO in that sense. But was knocked down and almost finished, even in the fight he won against Gastelum. Just showing a fragile chin repeatedly.


Hall vs Costa - Drops from a body shot. Gets up right away.
Hall vs Moose - Takedown and fight called from GnP on the guard. Very little damage actually done. Hall gets up immediately.
Hall vs Brunson - Hall never goes out. Gets up immediately and protests the stoppage.



I just feel like those aren't really in the same category of "Knockout".

Of the 3 times Uriah was finished, the Brunson 1 is the only time he was knocked down on the feet with a strike. And he got up immediately to argue with the ref in that 1, so it's kinda ehhhh...


If you don't think he has proven himself as durable, that's fair, but I also don't think he's proven himself as fragile either. He was eating bombs from Costa, and actually waiving Costa on for more. It wasn't until like 3-4 low blows(2 the ref actually called, and a bunch other the commentators talk about, but the ref doesn't see. Hall gets hit in the nuts like 4 times, then stopped by a body shot) that Hall started to slow down.


What do you think would be a fair chin and recovery stat for Hall?

The Kelvin fight was way before he became who he is now. Also your evidence just supports Uriah hasnt a higher chin than them which he does. But the opponent also matters. Reyes would likely KO Hall, so would Jan or Romero. The Souza KO from Weidman was after a back and forth war.

I actually like Uriah as well. The chin / recovery ratings arent just for getting finished. It impacts your ability to win exchanges and recover between rounds.

I honestly couldnt tell you exactly what it should be unless I was looking at the rest of the division. A +2-3 would probably work but I dont get why having a better chin than Weidman and Rockhold means he should be durable.

[Haz____]

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I mean, you're the 1 that brought up Weidman and Rockhold, I'm just rolling with the conversation.

I don't think Gastelum would KO Hall, you say it was early in Gastelums career, but it was also early in Halls. Both have developed a great deal. Hall always had great striking, but his Jab, and Boxing is way crisper and cleaner than it's ever been.

I don't think Romero would KO Hall either. Both are extremely patient counter strikers. It would mirror the Adesanya Romero fight IMO.

Rockhold has no chin whatsoever anymore, and I honestly think Hall would KO him at this point, unless Rockhold actually tries to, and is able to grapple Hall.

I def don't think Jacare would KO Hall, and if Hall can survive Shoeface's grappling, who is easily 1 of the best grapplers in the UFC, Id think the Hall - Jacare fight would be very interesting. I think Hall KOs him tbh.

Reyes probably KOs Hall though, lol. Dude is too big and powerful probably.





I'm not asking for anything extreme either, just a few points to bring him more into an average level, rather than being so extremely low. Hall doesn't need an elite tier chin, but I don't think he should be made of glass either.

He's eaten big punches, from nasty strikers in many fights, and has never been actually knocked unconscious. Hes fought guys like Thiago Santos, Whittaker, Costa, Musasi, Silva and was able to take their power. I just don't see how his stats should be so incredibly low, to the point they are the lowest of the division. That's all im saying.


Going from the 86 chin he currently has to a 90 chin makes sense to me, as many of the fighters chins are 90+, so 90 is still very average. But even 88-89 would be fine. The extremely low 86 chin though is just way too far. That's straight up made of glass level chin. The man's chin isn't Overseem, Chuck Lidell, Rashad Evans level of weak. He's never even been actually knocked out!






And the 83 recovery... 83? How many fighters have any stat that low? That's just crazy. I don't understand that 1 at all. 87-88 seems fair right? That's still low-average, but 83 just seems very extreme. How many fighters can fight for 12 minutes against Thiago Santos with their toe broken in half? I know technically recovery effects chin regeneration, but a willingness, and ability to overcome that injury and fight through it, to a win, has to mean something, right? Maybe 87 recovery if we are being super fair about things? 83 just seems so extreme to me.

Maybe 88-89 chin. 87 recovery. What would you think about that?







I wouldn't mind seeing a punching power bump from 92 to 93 -94 also tbh. If Cannonier has 97 power, 93 seems more than fair for Hall. If Till has 93 power, and the only guy he's KOd in the UFC is 2 weight classes below him, 93 seems more than fair for Hall. Dude 1 punched Bevon Lewis, 1 punched Jotko. 1 punched Silva. 1 punched Leben. 1 punched Bubba McDaniels on TUF. 1 punched Aung Sang before UFC. And has 4 other KOs via punches also. His power isn't only in his kicks.

[Phillyboi207]

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I mean, you're the 1 that brought up Weidman and Rockhold, I'm just rolling with the conversation.

I don't think Gastelum would KO Hall, you say it was early in Gastelums career, but it was also early in Halls. Both have developed a great deal. Hall always had great striking, but his Jab, and Boxing is way crisper and cleaner than it's ever been.

I don't think Romero would KO Hall either. Both are extremely patient counter strikers. It would mirror the Adesanya Romero fight IMO.

Rockhold has no chin whatsoever anymore, and I honestly think Hall would KO him at this point, unless Rockhold actually tries to, and is able to grapple Hall.

I def don't think Jacare would KO Hall, and if Hall can survive Shoeface's grappling, who is easily 1 of the best grapplers in the UFC, Id think the Hall - Jacare fight would be very interesting. I think Hall KOs him tbh.

Reyes probably KOs Hall though, lol. Dude is too big and powerful probably.





I'm not asking for anything extreme either, just a few points to bring him more into an average level, rather than being so extremely low. Hall doesn't need an elite tier chin, but I don't think he should be made of glass either.

He's eaten big punches, from nasty strikers in many fights, and has never been actually knocked unconscious. Hes fought guys like Thiago Santos, Whittaker, Costa, Musasi, Silva and was able to take their power. I just don't see how his stats should be so incredibly low, to the point they are the lowest of the division. That's all im saying.


Going from the 86 chin he currently has to a 90 chin makes sense to me, as many of the fighters chins are 90+, so 90 is still very average. But even 88-89 would be fine. The extremely low 86 chin though is just way too far. That's straight up made of glass level chin. The man's chin isn't Overseem, Chuck Lidell, Rashad Evans level of weak. He's never even been actually knocked out!






And the 83 recovery... 83? How many fighters have any stat that low? That's just crazy. I don't understand that 1 at all. 87-88 seems fair right? That's still low-average, but 83 just seems very extreme. How many fighters can fight for 12 minutes against Thiago Santos with their toe broken in half? I know technically recovery effects chin regeneration, but a willingness, and ability to overcome that injury and fight through it, to a win, has to mean something, right? Maybe 87 recovery if we are being super fair about things? 83 just seems so extreme to me.

Maybe 88-89 chin. 87 recovery. What would you think about that?







I wouldn't mind seeing a punching power bump from 92 to 93 -94 also tbh. If Cannonier has 97 power, 93 seems more than fair for Hall. If Till has 93 power, and the only guy he's KOd in the UFC is 2 weight classes below him, 93 seems more than fair for Hall. Dude 1 punched Bevon Lewis, 1 punched Jotko. 1 punched Silva. 1 punched Leben. 1 punched Bubba McDaniels on TUF. 1 punched Aung Sang before UFC. And has 4 other KOs via punches also. His power isn't only in his kicks.

I brought them up in reference to their deserving low chin / recovery ratings. Being finished 4-5 times is a lot. I wasn’t arguing their chin is as good as his. I disagreed with the notion that he’s proven himself as “durable”.

I think upper 80s would be fair based on recent performances.

But they tend to not update ratings until they fight again. I can add the suggestions but nothing is guaranteed.

Level of competition is heavily considered for the ratings so trying to compare to Till (who also dropped Masvidal and Wonderboy) isn’t really fair. Likewise what Cannonier did to Hermanson and David Branch holds more weight than KO’ing lower level guys.

Your best bet to seeing Hall get a huge buff is if he shows his durability + chin in a war against a high level MW.

[Haz____]

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I brought them up in reference to their deserving low chin / recovery ratings. Being finished 4-5 times is a lot. I wasn’t arguing their chin is as good as his. I disagreed with the notion that he’s proven himself as “durable”.

I think upper 80s would be fair based on recent performances.

But they tend to not update ratings until they fight again. I can add the suggestions but nothing is guaranteed.

Level of competition is heavily considered for the ratings so trying to compare to Till (who also dropped Masvidal and Wonderboy) isn’t really fair. Likewise what Cannonier did to Hermanson and David Branch holds more weight than KO’ing lower level guys.

Your best bet to seeing Hall get a huge buff is if he shows his durability + chin in a war against a high level MW.

Hall definitely doesn't need a huge buff. Just a few points here and there I think would be fair.

He's got a big rematch against Weidman next month that I'm very excited for. I think Weedman is either gonna hold on for dear life and try to ride out a dec on the ground, or he's probably gonna get KOd.

[xtremeba1000]

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Hall definitely doesn't need a huge buff. Just a few points here and there I think would be fair.

He's got a big rematch against Weidman next month that I'm very excited for. I think Weedman is either gonna hold on for dear life and try to ride out a dec on the ground, or he's probably gonna get KOd.

Halls striking stats are really good. All he really needs is like 2-3 points in chin and recovery. They are for sure too low right now based off the things you mentioned. I am not a Hall fan at all but I've watched most of his fights.

[The Senator]

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Looks like you got some of this stuff in, Haz, congratulations!

[Haz____]

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Looks like you got some of this stuff in, Haz, congratulations!

All of it, except the shorts. The question mark kick was missing for a minute, but it looks like that was added in now too.

Awesome stuff.

Thanks a lot to the devs for updating my guy Uriah.

[johnmangala]

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All of it, except the shorts. The question mark kick was missing for a minute, but it looks like that was added in now too.

Awesome stuff.

Thanks a lot to the devs for updating my guy Uriah.

Bro don't know if you realized this but some people are bandwagoning your Uriah Hall thread on Discord, saying you and Igor would make a good cosmetics GCs. So legit you should post more there and get your ideas across when you can.

Aero sorta trashes you lol but he said he did forward your suggestions and got most of them in except the shorts but he did forward that too.

[Phillyboi207]

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Bro don't know if you realized this but some people are bandwagoning your Uriah Hall thread on Discord, saying you and Igor would make a good cosmetics GCs. So legit you should post more there and get your ideas across when you can.

Aero sorta trashes you lol but he said he did forward your suggestions and got most of them in except the shorts but he did forward that too.

I 100% encourage everyone to provide feedback. As long as you can point to examples within the division and the fighter’s performances we’ll certainly listen to it.