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  • Blackman316
    Pro
    • Jan 2018
    • 820

    #31
    Re: Hate is a Strong Word... But it's Appropriate

    It all comes down to the "simulation" discussion. Either it is one, and it works as you decide, with permanent damage, strategic play, etc. Or it's an arcade title where you hit each other until someone gets lucky and KO's the opponent. They opted for the latter, because it's better for the casual/"core" audience. It's nicer to play when you know you always have a chance to come back. Otherwise you'd see more people quit after one round, when they've endured too much leg damage, for instance, and know they'll be toyed with for 10 more minutes. Just like when you match up with a pro in a fighter and are down 0-2 and just quit as you don't have a shot at turning it around.

    If you somehow thing these "quitters" are A-holes, you need to stop and thing what a "game" means for you, exactly. When you do hit that flash KO that creates an experience that you tie to the game.

    When you have too much "depth" fewer people care to venture that deep. A better tutorial would be swell, but don't expect all the casuals to even do it. I don't have the numbers but many just skip the advanced tutorial, even great ones like in Injustice 2.

    They can somehow split the game into arcade mode and sim mode. I'm sure it's possible. They'd divide the player base too but I'm sure there's enough people online. It'd cut down frustration levels for sure.

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    • Pedro_Guap
      Rookie
      • Jan 2020
      • 87

      #32
      Re: Hate is a Strong Word... But it's Appropriate

      Originally posted by Blackman316
      It all comes down to the "simulation" discussion. Either it is one, and it works as you decide, with permanent damage, strategic play, etc. Or it's an arcade title where you hit each other until someone gets lucky and KO's the opponent. They opted for the latter, because it's better for the casual/"core" audience. It's nicer to play when you know you always have a chance to come back. Otherwise you'd see more people quit after one round, when they've endured too much leg damage, for instance, and know they'll be toyed with for 10 more minutes. Just like when you match up with a pro in a fighter and are down 0-2 and just quit as you don't have a shot at turning it around.

      If you somehow thing these "quitters" are A-holes, you need to stop and thing what a "game" means for you, exactly. When you do hit that flash KO that creates an experience that you tie to the game.

      When you have too much "depth" fewer people care to venture that deep. A better tutorial would be swell, but don't expect all the casuals to even do it. I don't have the numbers but many just skip the advanced tutorial, even great ones like in Injustice 2.

      They can somehow split the game into arcade mode and sim mode. I'm sure it's possible. They'd divide the player base too but I'm sure there's enough people online. It'd cut down frustration levels for sure.
      EA may not want to be responsible for patching and tuning multiple online ranked modes.

      The player base splitting is just pure dribble. Multiple online rulesets (stand and bang) already exist. This "sim mode" could have been another option.

      By the way, it's a shame that we have to ask for a "sim mode".

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      • Pedro_Guap
        Rookie
        • Jan 2020
        • 87

        #33
        Re: Hate is a Strong Word... But it's Appropriate

        Shiz closed down my thread about patch 11 (gee, I wonder why this place is a ghost town). Here is what my post read:

        This post won't take many words as the video below speaks for iitself

        Just when I thought EA couldn't sink lower. They bless us with another game breaking patch; doubling down on existing broken mechanics.

        But hey, they put in a hard day's work so if you don't like it, play something else 0_o.

        Just disgusting.

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        • TheShizNo1
          Asst 2 the Comm Manager
          • Mar 2007
          • 26341

          #34
          Re: Hate is a Strong Word... But it's Appropriate

          C'mon man, you knew that wasn't gonna fly.

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          Originally posted by Mo
          Just once I'd like to be the one they call a jerk off.
          Originally posted by Mo
          You underestimate my laziness
          Originally posted by Mo
          **** ya


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          • Pedro_Guap
            Rookie
            • Jan 2020
            • 87

            #35
            Re: Hate is a Strong Word... But it's Appropriate

            Originally posted by TheShizNo1
            C'mon man, you knew that wasn't gonna fly.

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            I honestly didn't. I know now of course.

            In all seriousness, it's merely my opinion. I didn't call anyone a name or use foul language.

            Your house, your rules. Just understand that not much research is needed to find out why this forum has died.

            Think about it. This is an MMA game. It's simulating punches, kicks, breaking limbs, blood everywhere. Meanwhile, you are concerned about mean words being said on the forum dedicated to said game.

            Understand your audience and product then reflect on your "mod" behavior. Misalignment abound.

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            • TheShizNo1
              Asst 2 the Comm Manager
              • Mar 2007
              • 26341

              #36
              Re: Hate is a Strong Word... But it's Appropriate

              Originally posted by Pedro_Guap
              I honestly didn't. I know now of course.



              In all seriousness, it's merely my opinion. I didn't call anyone a name or use foul language.



              Your house, your rules. Just understand that not much research is needed to find out why this forum has died.



              Think about it. This is an MMA game. It's simulating punches, kicks, breaking limbs, blood everywhere. Meanwhile, you are concerned about mean words being said on the forum dedicated to said game.



              Understand your audience and product then reflect on your "mod" behavior. Misalignment abound.
              Smh....

              Per the TOS:
              Originally posted by Millennium
              [*]Constructive Criticism
              We allow all opinions on Operation Sports. But if you want to be negative, it needs to be constructive. Bashing a game developer is not constructive at all, for any reason. Bashing a game period is not constructive. Whining/complaining/acting like a middle schooler is not constructive. If you want to be constructive, say what is wrong with the game specifically. Any negativity that is not constructive will not be tolerated.
              Not my house nor my rules. There's been a couple threads going where there's been insults thrown at the devs (as well as constructive criticism from some) and I've said nothing because most of it is constructive and I don't disagree with a lot of it. But to start making threads calling them out is a bit much.

              I think I understand my "audience" pretty well which is why I don't say much here anymore because I feel most do a good job of policing themselves.

              As far as the forum dying, I'll take it versus the guys dropping penis pictures, guys dropping personal info of others, guys incapable of having a conversation without insulting one another, etc.

              EDIT: I'll even say there was nothing at all wrong with the post. We just don't make thread titles down talking devs. At least it's never been allowed since I've been here


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              Last edited by TheShizNo1; 05-13-2021, 04:54 PM.
              Originally posted by Mo
              Just once I'd like to be the one they call a jerk off.
              Originally posted by Mo
              You underestimate my laziness
              Originally posted by Mo
              **** ya


              ...

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              • Granbyroll
                Rookie
                • Nov 2020
                • 102

                #37
                Re: Hate is a Strong Word... But it's Appropriate

                Originally posted by TheShizNo1
                Smh....

                Per the TOS:


                Not my house nor my rules. There's been a couple threads going where there's been insults thrown at the devs (as well as constructive criticism from some) and I've said nothing because most of it is constructive and I don't disagree with a lot of it. But to start making threads calling them out is a bit much.

                I think I understand my "audience" pretty well which is why I don't say much here anymore because I feel most do a good job of policing themselves.

                As far as the forum dying, I'll take it versus the guys dropping penis pictures, guys dropping personal info of others, guys incapable of having a conversation without insulting one another, etc.

                EDIT: I'll even say there was nothing at all wrong with the post. We just don't make thread titles down talking devs. At least it's never been allowed since I've been here


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                Have you seen the state the game is in? There's noone else to blame or call out but them.

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                • TheShizNo1
                  Asst 2 the Comm Manager
                  • Mar 2007
                  • 26341

                  #38
                  Re: Hate is a Strong Word... But it's Appropriate

                  You ignored the couple sentences that came before what you bolded?

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                  Originally posted by Mo
                  Just once I'd like to be the one they call a jerk off.
                  Originally posted by Mo
                  You underestimate my laziness
                  Originally posted by Mo
                  **** ya


                  ...

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                  • Granbyroll
                    Rookie
                    • Nov 2020
                    • 102

                    #39
                    Re: Hate is a Strong Word... But it's Appropriate

                    Originally posted by TheShizNo1
                    You ignored the couple sentences that came before what you bolded?

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                    Yes I read it. But with how bad of state the game is in a year after launch and blatant disregard for what the playerbase wants someone has to be accountable for all these bugs and glitches and lack of major additions to gameplay in the patch cycle. Theres noone else to address. By not allowing us to call them out you effectively stifle any criticism at all because of there being a grey area.

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                    • TheShizNo1
                      Asst 2 the Comm Manager
                      • Mar 2007
                      • 26341

                      #40
                      Re: Hate is a Strong Word... But it's Appropriate

                      Originally posted by Granbyroll
                      Yes I read it. But with how bad of state the game is in a year after launch and blatant disregard for what the playerbase wants someone has to be accountable for all these bugs and glitches and lack of major additions to gameplay in the patch cycle. Theres noone else to address. By not allowing us to call them out you effectively stifle any criticism at all because of there being a grey area.
                      I was ready to drop it but then you spew this bull****.

                      I didn't and haven't stifled ****. The last 3 posts I've had in this section were me calling someone out for calling today's sports titles sim and then saying something to Retracted Monkey about having a level about 9,000. I stopped looking for my posts in this section after I got to December 2020 and didn't see anything else.

                      All I previously said is don't make thread titles bashing the devs. If that's what "stifles" your criticism then find another place for that outlet. Or, you can just not buy the game because of the whole money talks thing. I stifled criticism..... give me a ****ing break.

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                      Last edited by TheShizNo1; 05-13-2021, 07:47 PM.
                      Originally posted by Mo
                      Just once I'd like to be the one they call a jerk off.
                      Originally posted by Mo
                      You underestimate my laziness
                      Originally posted by Mo
                      **** ya


                      ...

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                      • Pedro_Guap
                        Rookie
                        • Jan 2020
                        • 87

                        #41
                        Re: Hate is a Strong Word... But it's Appropriate

                        Originally posted by Granbyroll
                        Yes I read it. But with how bad of state the game is in a year after launch and blatant disregard for what the playerbase wants someone has to be accountable for all these bugs and glitches and lack of major additions to gameplay in the patch cycle. Theres noone else to address. By not allowing us to call them out you effectively stifle any criticism at all because of there being a grey area.
                        Also, keep in mind that it was 3 years between the third and fourth iterations.

                        There is literally no excuse for what they have done.

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                        • kehlis
                          Moderator
                          • Jul 2008
                          • 27738

                          #42
                          Re: Hate is a Strong Word... But it's Appropriate

                          Originally posted by Granbyroll
                          Yes I read it. But with how bad of state the game is in a year after launch and blatant disregard for what the playerbase wants someone has to be accountable for all these bugs and glitches and lack of major additions to gameplay in the patch cycle. Theres noone else to address. By not allowing us to call them out you effectively stifle any criticism at all because of there being a grey area.
                          This forum in particular has been given more room than any other forum on this site to criticize the devs at a level we wouldn't usually allow. Cut the ****.

                          We've allowed so much more cushion here.

                          You have two moderators that come to this forum and for the most part we both stopped for awhile because once the garbage was out you guys took care of yourselves for the most part.

                          Stop playing the victim card.
                          Last edited by kehlis; 05-13-2021, 07:36 PM.

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                          • Granbyroll
                            Rookie
                            • Nov 2020
                            • 102

                            #43
                            Re: Hate is a Strong Word... But it's Appropriate

                            Originally posted by kehlis
                            This forum in particular has been given more room than any other forum on this site to criticize the devs at a level we wouldn't usually allow. Cut the ****.

                            We've allowed so much more cushion here.

                            You have two moderators that come to this forum and for the most part we both stopped for awhile because once the garbage was out you guys took care of yourselves for the most part.

                            Stop playing the victim card.


                            Lol at victim card.

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                            • kehlis
                              Moderator
                              • Jul 2008
                              • 27738

                              #44
                              Re: Hate is a Strong Word... But it's Appropriate

                              Originally posted by Granbyroll
                              I don't even know what that link means lol.

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                              • TheShizNo1
                                Asst 2 the Comm Manager
                                • Mar 2007
                                • 26341

                                #45
                                Re: Hate is a Strong Word... But it's Appropriate

                                Originally posted by kehlis
                                I don't even know what that link means lol.
                                I think he's just showing the new bug that's in the game now.

                                Sent from my SM-G975U using Tapatalk
                                Originally posted by Mo
                                Just once I'd like to be the one they call a jerk off.
                                Originally posted by Mo
                                You underestimate my laziness
                                Originally posted by Mo
                                **** ya


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