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[TheRizzzle]

I feel like I've gotten too many results like this. I was Jotko. I get it. I didnt do a lot of damage. But really? Neither did Holland. Maybe it could have been 29-28 (his one rock was literally the first strike of the fight).

What do you think?

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[johnmangala]

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I think you should've won that based on volume and control.

But damage wise, it seems the other person landed more sig strikes. I notice that wins more rounds.

[ryangil23]

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Guessing most of your strikes were rabbit punches which do next to zero damage. Posture up a couple of times or get a few elbows in side control or something and you’d have won easily.

[NEWSS]

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29-28 Jotko

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[TheRizzzle]

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Guessing most of your strikes were rabbit punches which do next to zero damage. Posture up a couple of times or get a few elbows in side control or something and you’d have won easily.

It's the only explanation based on the game mechanics and you are correct they were rabbit punches.

But I'd argue the sheer amount of rabbit punches are more in accumulative damage than those significant strike totals round over round.

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[ryangil23]

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It's the only explanation based on the game mechanics and you are correct they were rabbit punches.

But I'd argue the sheer amount of rabbit punches are more in accumulative damage than those significant strike totals round over round.

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You could try in practice mode and see how much damage they do. I’m not sure exactly how much but I’d bet a couple of 1-2s could easily do more damage than 4 minutes of rabbit punches. They’re really meant to build grapple advantage rather than do any damage.

[TheRizzzle]

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You could try in practice mode and see how much damage they do. I’m not sure exactly how much but I’d bet a couple of 1-2s could easily do more damage than 4 minutes of rabbit punches. They’re really meant to build grapple advantage rather than do any damage.

Again in terms of the game mechanics and what's under the hood...you're probably right.

IRL, those subconcussive blows are the ones the doctors say have the most effect on long term CTE. So what's more damaging? 4 minutes of 10% shots or 2-3 35%ers?

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[ryangil23]

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Again in terms of the game mechanics and what's under the hood...you're probably right.

IRL, those subconcussive blows are the ones the doctors say have the most effect on long term CTE. So what's more damaging? 4 minutes of 10% shots or 2-3 35%ers?

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Yeah in the game they pretty much do nothing but they can add up in real life. Would be cool if they done a little damage or took a bit of stamina if you keep hitting the body. The same for strikes off the back as well.

[Skynet]

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Not only do rabbit punches on the ground do nearly 0 damage, but the smallest of them don't count towards points at all if I recall correctly. Strike damage -> scored points is also not a linear relationship. That means bigger strikes are worth more than the same damage spread across multiple.

Example with fake numbers, but same concept:

A:20 dmg punch -> 30 points
B:10 dmg punch -> 12 points
C:5 dmg punch -> 5 pints

2 of punch B would only net 24 points vs the 30 of punch A, and you'd need 6 of punch C for 1 A. Volume can win out over big hits, but it's not as simple as looking at the stats at the end of the fight.

Also, the 'sig strikes' is nearly everything outside of a few small/utility strikes, and isn't based on damage but rather strike type. While we wanted it to be based on damage, there are technical complications in counting those since we don't actually know the damage until it lands...

[tomitomitomi]

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Again in terms of the game mechanics and what's under the hood...you're probably right.

IRL, those subconcussive blows are the ones the doctors say have the most effect on long term CTE. So what's more damaging? 4 minutes of 10% shots or 2-3 35%ers?

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That's technically true I guess. However, that's simply because if you took that many subsequent Ngannou bombs your brain would stop working in 20 seconds rather than 20 years.

Regardless, that 35% is a big understatement of significant strikes. For example, Johny Hendricks claimed he was throwing strikes at 70% power vs GSP.

[TheRizzzle]

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Not only do rabbit punches on the ground do nearly 0 damage, but the smallest of them don't count towards points at all if I recall correctly. Strike damage -> scored points is also not a linear relationship. That means bigger strikes are worth more than the same damage spread across multiple.



Example with fake numbers, but same concept:



A:20 dmg punch -> 30 points

B:10 dmg punch -> 12 points

C:5 dmg punch -> 5 pints



2 of punch B would only net 24 points vs the 30 of punch A, and you'd need 6 of punch C for 1 A. Volume can win out over big hits, but it's not as simple as looking at the stats at the end of the fight.



Also, the 'sig strikes' is nearly everything outside of a few small/utility strikes, and isn't based on damage but rather strike type. While we wanted it to be based on damage, there are technical complications in counting those since we don't actually know the damage until it lands...

That's good insight. The piece of feedback I'd give is that there has to be a better way to account for control.

Damage is obviously the number one component for scoring, but when it's more or less equal, the criteria moves on to other things. I'd argue this is one of those cases where you can't simply count the damage, total it and give Holland a 30-27 based on eking it out barely.

I dont think any judge IRL would have scored this fight this way, except in Texas.

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[TheRizzzle]

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I'm going to amend my earlier opinion. I still think Jotko wins that fight in real life.

But after a few test runs, I've got a better sense of how to win, while still fighting conservatively.

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