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[TheRizzzle]

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If you are playing an offline mode but still logged in to EA's servers, EA can track who you are using and what modes you play.



Here is how EA approaches choosing fighters to add (based on my experience and knowledge):



- First, is the fighter a fight a way from fighting for the title or currently a #1 contender? This is the reason why fighters like Taila Santos and Erin Blanchfield were added. Santos had a title fight coming up and Blanchfield was working her way up. EA doesnt want to be caught out there with a UFC champion who isnt in the game.



- Second, has the fighter been in multiple main events. That is what guys like Sean Strickland over the top.



- Third, is the fighter a popular fighter who was outside of the UFC? See....Michael Chandler.



- Four, is the fighter an action fighter that consumers would be excited about adding? What plays into this is how vocal communities are about adding him/her.



I remember a conversation I had with a dev after UFC 3 came out because I was disappointed in the number of new fighters they added in 3 compared to 2. The response I got was basically "We used a ton of resources in 2 to add fighters. We were shooting to ensure that everyone in the top 10 of each division was recoginized and then we noticed that people werent regulalrly using the majority of new lower ranked fighters"



Now, I responded that part of that was because of the lack of offline modes but that a little insight into why EA isnt very focused on filling out the roster at launch. They prefer to use DLC to fill the roster and use that to constantly promote the game.

All that makes sense. I'm glad they did the leg work for UFC 2 that put them in a decent spot for a bit.

If they kept adding 3-4/month every month between games, they'd keep up with most of the relevant turnover.

The formula for adding DLC is actually kind predictable once you have a decent idea of how long it takes to create a DLC fighter from inception.

I just scan upcoming events and do the mental math of who is getting main events to help promote a potential future title shot.

I got pretty close with my predictions most of the time that way.

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[TGOne]

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- You need to look up the definition of a "strawman argument". You said "I'm not saying the female division would reach the same usage and popularity as the mens divisions, but they surely would vastly improve.". I said ". If you think that adding Tabitha Ricci or Karine Silva or any other 10-15 ranked female division fighter is going to drastically change the amount of people who use female fighters, you are wrong. EA's data shows that most players dont even use stacked divisions like Featherweight other than the top fighters."


You made an argument. I responded to that argument. Simple as that.

- I'll make this simple for you. If you think immersion is a big factor for most players of this game.....I'll respectfully disagree. Online players dont care about immersion or full rosters. That can be determined from play data, online surveys and social media information. The majority of online players dont care about Tabitha Ricci and her addition isnt likely to make them use the women;s division more.

Many offline players do care about immersion but not in the way you think. A full roster matters if EA was willing to provide modes like a franchise/universe mode but they havent been up to this point.

Look, I'm not saying I know everything. I'm not saying that it isnt possible that EA is misinterpreting the data in some way. But I do know more than you. You have nothing to support your opinions other than post or feedback youve seen from an undefined "community". I have seen actual data from EA and had tons of long convos with the devs about this information (over 8 yrs). You can choose to doubt it or ignore it and stand with your theory. I really dont give a ****. But it doesnt make your theory more true.

Anyway, feel free to respond or not. I dont spend much time here anymore and the main reason is people who refuse to accept the reality of what the game is and why it is designed the way it is.

- Frankly you're the one who should look up that definition because you made that twice so far. ". If you think that adding Tabitha Ricci or Karine Silva or any other 10-15 ranked female division fighter is going to drastically change the amount of people who use female fighters, you are wrong. EA's data shows that most players dont even use stacked divisions like Featherweight other than the top fighters."

- No sparky, i didn't made any argument that adding Tabitha Ricci or Karine Silva would drastically change the amount of people using individual female fighters, even though there's no certainty, where you basically making assumptions out of thin air solely from one vague angle in regards to the featherweight division. My argument was about the usage of female divisions in career mode (AGAIN, the most used mode) which the majority of people including myself use cafs, go figure. Therefore that's your strawman.

There's a clear difference of responding blindly and understanding an argument. Because in most arguments, there's a point. Being under the impression of refuting an argument different from the one actually under discussion is a strawman, simple as that.

- So you're telling me immersion has no big relevance in an MMA simulation game which most people are clamoring for, particular in this forum? Lmao who are you kidding? You're literally the first person I've come across all forums making this claim. Given the fact that you have contact with EA, perhaps you should tell them to completely change their slogan from "as real as it gets" to something else as you somehow know the community thoroughly that doesn't want immersion? And that's the major problem with you since I've seen you on this forum always coming across as someone with a clear pompous attitude (verified by many in this particular forum before). Literally behaving as you speak on behalf of everyone of this community? You literally know nothing about the community nor do have anything substantial to back it up as well, as i said making assumptions out of thin air to suit your own narrative, just like EA which is out of touch with it's community. Now if you did or EA for that matter, we would had a good game with atleast above average user ratings scores which the franchise is far from, go figure.

-So you're telling me having an up to date roster has no relevance to the career mode, which again is one of the most used modes if the not the most used mode? If that's the case then frankly you're living in a parallel universe away from this community. You think people would prefer facing caf fighters which completely ruins immersion and purpose of an "UFC career mode" instead of actual active and ranked fighters? Again, who are you kidding?

-I have news for you, i could care less about the online modes because i find it even more vague and mundane than the offline modes they have offered this far. And guess what? There are many like me with this single player preference approach, therefore that's another example of your understanding of the community.

" Look, I'm not saying I know everything. I'm not saying that it isnt possible that EA is misinterpreting the data in some way. But I do know more than you. You have nothing to support your opinions other than post or feedback youve seen from an undefined "community". I have seen actual data from EA and had tons of long convos with the devs about this information (over 8 yrs). You can choose to doubt it or ignore it and stand with your theory. I really dont give a ****. But it doesnt make your theory more true."

-So basically you're admitting to the fact that there's possibility that EA is misinterpreting it's data it collects while your whishing (or vocal as you put it) the implementation of certain things in the game, in this case more female fighters in their divisions. On the other hand you're very defensive at EAs approaches of dismissing certain elements of the game based on it's data it collects, in this hypothetical case not adding top 15 female fighters in divisions which not only isn't to much of an ask but makes no sense of dismissing despite it's lack of substantial general usage?!? Sorry, but you make absolutely no sense whatsoever? Your stance is just as convoluted as EAs decision making.

- I see, so you're telling me i'm making stuff up when i stated that EA had misinterpretation of it's collected data before when it came to it's under prioritized ground game? The fact that specific statement came from none other than Brian Hayes himself was somehow from an "undefined community" according to your narrative/logic? Or the fact that he has stated before that having the game running at 60fps is "less beneficial for gameplay" than 30fps which is literally one of the most laughable statements I've heard anyone make in the gaming industry, especially coming from a creative director. Or should i mention my personal discussion with former lead developer like Geoff mnay months before the release of UFC 3 when asked about why certain positions on the ground game wasn't implemented for the sake of depth and immersion. His answer was because they "didn't have enough budget" to implement them, yet it didn't stop them from implementing "the mighty wizbar" literally few days before the release of UFC 3 and despite UFC loosing Demetrious Johnson which was completely done in vain which is another fine example of EAs decision making you're so defensive about. But go ahead, keep making your own assumptions/theories and put your discussions at EA headquarters with the devs on a pedestal. Again, as long as it suits your narrative/theory (in other words alt reality).

[Blackman316]

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As for the women divisions: it's just true that these are a lot more shallow than the men's, which makes adding a new one very risky. I've heard of Tabitha Ricci, for one, but have never seen a fight. Chances are that after two b2b losses she will likely never be heard from again in the sport. Meanwhile there are a lot of fighters the community asks for (because of the parameters aholbert outlined) that are not implemented. You have to agree that this looks bad to a big part of the community. And this is coming from a person that plays more with the women's divisions than the men's. Also, most people wouldn't mind facing CaF's in a career mode if the mode wasn't as crappy as it is now, making them all look exactly the same.


Immersion is a big thing to me personally, but it's not the same as "realism", which is what the majority of fans seem to want. Immersion is more for a niche audience. Skyrim, for instance, had an immersion mode, the "survival" mode, but few people actually use it as it got in the way of the hack 'n slash gameplay too much. People want realistic gameplay, and (unfortunately) not truly immersive features that you and I want.


I've said before that EA "analysing" their data is a useless venture. Companies claim that their "MyTeam"/microtransaction modes are being played a lot, but that is simply because those are the only modes receiving support after release. If you release a career that is very monotone like the EAUFC series, people stop playing it in favor of modes that provide different challenges.

[SlimmerFredette]

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And that's the major problem with you since I've seen you on this forum always coming across as someone with a clear pompous attitude (verified by many in this particular forum before). Literally behaving as you speak on behalf of everyone of this community?

-So you're telling me having an up to date roster has no relevance to the career mode, which again is one of the most used modes if the not the most used mode? If that's the case then frankly you're living in a parallel universe away from this community. You think people would prefer facing caf fighters which completely ruins immersion and purpose of an "UFC career mode" instead of actual active and ranked fighters? Again, who are you kidding?

The devs/community managers speak vicariously through him. They can't speak with the same tone, so that's why they've picked him. His posts are essentially all responses to people's complaints. We might as well close this part of the forum because we're not the game's target audience. By virtue of being a GC, he clearly knows more about EA's intentions, at least the one's they're willing to let him (and other GC's know of).

Getting to the heart of what you're saying though...it feels like EA MMA just doesn't have the same depth that many other EA titles do. It's like imagining FIFA without the Dutch league. Sure, maybe most players don't often pick Dutch teams, but it'd feel off without them, right? Or not having the ACL teams in the NHL series. Older games from the pre-online boom era had to really pull us in with detailed career modes and such. They were built to keep us hooked. But now, with the big push towards online play, it feels like these games have lost some of that immersive magic. That's probably why many of us look back at older titles with such nostalgia and appreciation. They felt... fuller, even back then.

It's becoming pretty evident that the main allure of this game version will be 60 fps and enhanced graphics. Undoubtedly, the game will have stunning visuals, and there's a certain pride associated with that. However, for the communities on this forum, Reddit, and other tech-savvy groups, these features alone won't be swayed by that.

[aholbert32]

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The devs/community managers speak vicariously through him. They can't speak with the same tone, so that's why they've picked him. His posts are essentially all responses to people's complaints. We might as well close this part of the forum because we're not the game's target audience. By virtue of being a GC, he clearly knows more about EA's intentions, at least the one's they're willing to let him (and other GC's know of).

Getting to the heart of what you're saying though...it feels like EA MMA just doesn't have the same depth that many other EA titles do. It's like imagining FIFA without the Dutch league. Sure, maybe most players don't often pick Dutch teams, but it'd feel off without them, right? Or not having the ACL teams in the NHL series. Older games from the pre-online boom era had to really pull us in with detailed career modes and such. They were built to keep us hooked. But now, with the big push towards online play, it feels like these games have lost some of that immersive magic. That's probably why many of us look back at older titles with such nostalgia and appreciation. They felt... fuller, even back then.

It's becoming pretty evident that the main allure of this game version will be 60 fps and enhanced graphics. Undoubtedly, the game will have stunning visuals, and there's a certain pride associated with that. However, for the communities on this forum, Reddit, and other tech-savvy groups, these features alone won't be swayed by that.

I havent been selected by EA to communicate (they obviously wouldnt like my tone) but you hit the nail on the head. I'm not trying to be an ahole. Im just passing along information that I know and informing the community.

Its also why I'm at peace with this game.

Every two years, I take the time to fight for the things that I want for this game which I believe are things this community wants. Every two years I fail for the most part (Shoutout to Skynet in that I was able to succesfully argue for AI sliders and assigning AIs to fighters). I fail because of the reasons I've listed about the direction of the game.

I've set my expectations to align with reality:

-I accepted years ago we arent getting a game like UD3. The team does not intend to ever replicate UD3.

- I accepted that we arent likely to see a franchise or universe mode. I've been asking for this for a decade and have had deep convos about it with devs but its never happened so far. Maybe it will come with 5 but I'm not expecting it to.

- I've accepted that the majority of changes that OSers get are changes that align with what casual and online players want. The new sub system is great but we are getting this because we are aligned with casual players and hardcore on-liners.

With that said, I'm not going to hate on people who complain about the series. Still, I dont understand the purpose of coming here to complain and still running out and buying the game at full price on release.

[SlimmerFredette]

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I havent been selected by EA to communicate (they obviously wouldnt like my tone) but you hit the nail on the head. I'm not trying to be an ahole. Im just passing along information that I know and informing the community.

Its also why I'm at peace with this game.

Every two years, I take the time to fight for the things that I want for this game which I believe are things this community wants. Every two years I fail for the most part (Shoutout to Skynet in that I was able to succesfully argue for AI sliders and assigning AIs to fighters). I fail because of the reasons I've listed about the direction of the game.

I've set my expectations to align with reality:

-I accepted years ago we arent getting a game like UD3. The team does not intend to ever replicate UD3.

- I accepted that we arent likely to see a franchise or universe mode. I've been asking for this for a decade and have had deep convos about it with devs but its never happened so far. Maybe it will come with 5 but I'm not expecting it to.

- I've accepted that the majority of changes that OSers get are changes that align with what casual and online players want. The new sub system is great but we are getting this because we are aligned with casual players and hardcore on-liners.

With that said, I'm not going to hate on people who complain about the series. Still, I dont understand the purpose of coming here to complain and still running out and buying the game at full price on release.

I appreciate you fighting the good fight. I can see how it is somewhat annoying seeing folks ask for things that clearly aren't valuable input in EA's perspective. Seems like this is what this forum will be going forward, consumers at odds with devs.

As for the bolded part, while I agree that EA is wholly aware that sports games don’t need to be high quality or have great depth for its userbase to purchase the game (people just want to play as Izzy, Mahomes, etc.) I don't think it's true that folks who complain here are still buying the game. I'm not sure why people say this often. If you have numbers that we don't, please share if possible.

I'm one of those players that has EA Play, played UFC 4 for the trial, and never touched it until it was free on EA play (and only played a few hours after that). Who knows how they use me in their data tracking. However, even though I didn't "buy" the previous game, I'll still advocate for my changes.

[bmlimo]

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I havent been selected by EA to communicate (they obviously wouldnt like my tone) but you hit the nail on the head. I'm not trying to be an ahole. Im just passing along information that I know and informing the community.

Its also why I'm at peace with this game.

Every two years, I take the time to fight for the things that I want for this game which I believe are things this community wants. Every two years I fail for the most part (Shoutout to Skynet in that I was able to succesfully argue for AI sliders and assigning AIs to fighters). I fail because of the reasons I've listed about the direction of the game.

I've set my expectations to align with reality:

-I accepted years ago we arent getting a game like UD3. The team does not intend to ever replicate UD3.

- I accepted that we arent likely to see a franchise or universe mode. I've been asking for this for a decade and have had deep convos about it with devs but its never happened so far. Maybe it will come with 5 but I'm not expecting it to.

- I've accepted that the majority of changes that OSers get are changes that align with what casual and online players want. The new sub system is great but we are getting this because we are aligned with casual players and hardcore on-liners.

With that said, I'm not going to hate on people who complain about the series. Still, I dont understand the purpose of coming here to complain and still running out and buying the game at full price on release.

can you say if ground still deny+ transition focus or they changed?

[aholbert32]

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I appreciate you fighting the good fight. I can see how it is somewhat annoying seeing folks ask for things that clearly aren't valuable input in EA's perspective. Seems like this is what this forum will be going forward, consumers at odds with devs.

As for the bolded part, while I agree that EA is wholly aware that sports games don’t need to be high quality or have great depth for its userbase to purchase the game (people just want to play as Izzy, Mahomes, etc.) I don't think it's true that folks who complain here are still buying the game. I'm not sure why people say this often. If you have numbers that we don't, please share if possible.

I'm one of those players that has EA Play, played UFC 4 for the trial, and never touched it until it was free on EA play (and only played a few hours after that). Who knows how they use me in their data tracking. However, even though I didn't "buy" the previous game, I'll still advocate for my changes.

I dont have numbers to be honest. This isnt something I know through EA. I just remember doing an experiment before the release of UFC 4 where I asked alot of the OSers who loudly complain about the game and who were furious about UFC 4's direction if they plan to buy the game at release.

They all said no and even though I didnt believe them, I was happy that these people were speaking with their wallet. The game drops....and almost all of them bought the game.

Some lied and said their mom or their girlfriend or their cousin bought it for them but they all bought the game.

You are the type of buyer I love...you didnt like the direction of the game......you found a way to play the game without buying the game....you confirmed you didnt like the game. You have every right to continue to loudly complain.

[TheShizNo1]

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I just remember doing an experiment before the release of UFC 4 where I asked alot of the OSers who loudly complain about the game and who were furious about UFC 4's direction if they plan to buy the game at release.



They all said no and even though I didnt believe them, I was happy that these people were speaking with their wallet. The game drops....and almost all of them bought the game.



Some lied and said their mom or their girlfriend or their cousin bought it for them but they all bought the game.

Fun times. I remember the girlfriend story [emoji23][emoji23]. Said he wouldn't take the game back because he didn't wanna hurt her feelings or something like that.

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[MacGowan]

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I I don't think it's true that folks who complain here are still buying the game. I'm not sure why people say this often. If you have numbers that we don't, please share if possible.

I'm one of those players that has EA Play, played UFC 4 for the trial, and never touched it until it was free on EA play (and only played a few hours after that). Who knows how they use me in their data tracking. However, even though I didn't "buy" the previous game, I'll still advocate for my changes.

Yeah, I think corporate numbers can fail to reflect untapped markets. Like if they slowly lose 200 players, but quickly gain 250 new players, I can see a company writing that up as “hey we gained 50 players with frank’s new 'Kumite Mortal Kombat bull**** Arena' or '****ing Clown Skins Fortnite wtf is this bull**** DLCs'. instead of a lost opportunity of 450 players. Lots of little details I think that can get lost chasing quarterly stats instead.

I’d like to believe there’s a strong future for real sports games, and not a wasteland of EA pachinko machines in disguise. Football Manager seems to be selling better than ever. MLB the show seem to be chugging along. Maybe the class action lawsuit on UFC helps PFL get into the market, or some game-company gets enough fighters to sign over likenesses to run with it (if old contracts are voided).

But I digress.

I never bought UFC4, and from what I’ve learned from aholbert in this thread, I won’t be buying UFC5.

see ya’ll when UFC6 drops.

[Yaari]

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https://x.com/MikeStrawMedia/status/1702420487564042414?s=20

Forgot how to embed

[Wrasslin_man_314]

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I havent been selected by EA to communicate (they obviously wouldnt like my tone) but you hit the nail on the head. I'm not trying to be an ahole. Im just passing along information that I know and informing the community.

Its also why I'm at peace with this game.

Every two years, I take the time to fight for the things that I want for this game which I believe are things this community wants. Every two years I fail for the most part (Shoutout to Skynet in that I was able to succesfully argue for AI sliders and assigning AIs to fighters). I fail because of the reasons I've listed about the direction of the game.

I've set my expectations to align with reality:

-I accepted years ago we arent getting a game like UD3. The team does not intend to ever replicate UD3.

- I accepted that we arent likely to see a franchise or universe mode. I've been asking for this for a decade and have had deep convos about it with devs but its never happened so far. Maybe it will come with 5 but I'm not expecting it to.

- I've accepted that the majority of changes that OSers get are changes that align with what casual and online players want. The new sub system is great but we are getting this because we are aligned with casual players and hardcore on-liners.

With that said, I'm not going to hate on people who complain about the series. Still, I dont understand the purpose of coming here to complain and still running out and buying the game at full price on release.

We are extremely fortunate that our desire for a transition based sub system overlaps with the casual player's desire for a streamlined sub system.

One would have thought perhaps the casual player would instead prefer a button mashing or circle overlapping mini game mechanism. Perhaps there was bad feedback from casuals about these mini game systems.

It's almost an Act of God that the casuals are (theoretically) open to this new type of transition based system. I'm nothing but thankful for this.

[rebel8pig]

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https://x.com/MikeStrawMedia/status/...564042414?s=20


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Is this pre-alpha blablabla footage to??

[Yaari]

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Is this pre-alpha blablabla footage to??

Yeah I'm sure they're gonna use that excuse again. Well, we'll soon find out how big of a difference it will make I guess. Lol.


(Maybe it's actual truth and they will improve upon it, but I am not really a believer in swapping in better animations in an almost finished build of the game. They were comfortable showing it to media so why should I for a second believe they didn't put in the best they had to offer for that?).

[rebel8pig]

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Yeah I'm sure they're gonna use that excuse again. Well, we'll soon find out how big of a difference it will make I guess. Lol.


(Maybe it's actual truth and they will improve upon it, but I am not really a believer in swapping in better animations in an almost finished build of the game. They were comfortable showing it to media so why should I for a second believe they didn't put in the best they had to offer for that?).

Well, it certainly didn’t look like it did on the reveal trailer.