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  • Wet Bandit
    MVP
    • Apr 2009
    • 1746

    #1

    Ground positions

    Saw someone in another thread ask about which position is which on the ground. Figured it'd be worth having a thread showing the basics.

    First off here's a closed guard:



    What makes it 'closed' is how the guy on the bottom has his legs closed around his opponent. That makes it harder to pass into a better position.

    If the legs aren't closed in this position, it's an open guard:



    The guy on top here has also postured up, allowing him to pass easier and deliver more forceful strikes.

    If you're on your back and don't know what to do, getting into closed guard and holding your opponent's head down to keep him from posturing up is your best bet. After a while, the ref should stand you up.

    Guys more trained in jiu-jitsu are able to do a rubber guard:



    Similar to an open guard, but grabbing the ankle with the hand and bringing the leg over the person's back prevents them from posturing up, and it also opens up a few transitions and submissions.

    If you're in someone's guard, the most basic pass is into half-guard:



    Instead of having both legs inside an opponent's guard, now there's only one leg. Getting that leg out makes it easier to strike, and provides better passing opportunities. Sometimes you can pass right to mount, but more often than not you'll pass to side control:



    In side control, it's easy to control your opponent while still doing good damage with elbows and knees.

    If you want, from here you can move to north/south:



    Not very popular since it's tougher to strike in this position than in side control, and the only thing it opens up is the rather difficult north/south choke that only the best jiu-jitsu guys can usually pull off.

    If you're looking to improve off of side control, your best bet is to try and get into a full mount:



    If you can posture up in full mount, you can end a fight quickly.

    If you've been mounted, you can either try and pull the head down and stall, hoping for a stand-up, or you can roll and give up back control:



    Notice how the guy with back control has both feet inside his opponent's thighs. That's called having two hooks in. The hooks make it easier to control an opponent.

    Alternatively, you can get back control and have a body triangle:



    Getting that foot under the knee and squeezing makes it very tough to get out of.

    If you give up back control, the best bet is usually to try and roll over and end up in the other guy's closed guard. And the ground game begins anew.
  • Seymour Scagnetti
    Banned
    • Oct 2006
    • 2489

    #2
    Re: Ground positions

    That is exactly what I need in preparation for this game. I just recently got into UFC more deeply, just a very casual fan before and I was confused as hell about all these names for all these positions.

    Thank you, you've made everything much clearer now. You presented it perfectly. This should be a sticky for all us UFC noobs.

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    • oChaos_Nine
      Rookie
      • Jul 2008
      • 394

      #3
      Re: Ground positions

      Same thing should be done for different submissions and clinches if somebody has the time. Re-name the thread to UFC FAQ's, lol.

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      • p_rushing
        Hall Of Fame
        • Feb 2004
        • 14514

        #4
        Re: Ground positions

        thanks, great job

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        • baumy300
          Most Valuable Pepe
          • May 2005
          • 3998

          #5
          Re: Ground positions

          Great thread man. You are one quality posting S.O.B
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          • Parasight
            MVP
            • Aug 2006
            • 1111

            #6
            Re: Ground positions

            Great post. You forgot one more though. Side-back Control, or whatever that's called.

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            • baumy300
              Most Valuable Pepe
              • May 2005
              • 3998

              #7
              Re: Ground positions

              Originally posted by Parasight
              Great post. You forgot one more though. Side-back Control, or whatever that's called.
              Yeah man. I just call that the "Rub-a-dub-dub" position because that's what I imagine it would look like if two dudes sat in a bath tub together.
              I post the frog
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                Johnny Canuck
                • Dec 2004
                • 1279

                #8
                Re: Ground positions

                Back side control has the defensive fighter on hands and knees while the offensive fighter is at his side (like side control). A good position to strike with powerful knees.

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                • Wet Bandit
                  MVP
                  • Apr 2009
                  • 1746

                  #9
                  Re: Ground positions

                  Originally posted by Parasight
                  Great post. You forgot one more though. Side-back Control, or whatever that's called.
                  I thought about that one and the sprawl, but I wanted to keep it a bit more basic and the post was already getting a bit overwhelming. Plus those two positions are pretty much only a product of the game, since in real life the guy on the bottom would just stand up to get out.

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                  • Parasight
                    MVP
                    • Aug 2006
                    • 1111

                    #10
                    Re: Ground positions

                    Originally posted by Wet Bandit
                    I thought about that one and the sprawl, but I wanted to keep it a bit more basic and the post was already getting a bit overwhelming. Plus those two positions are pretty much only a product of the game, since in real life the guy on the bottom would just stand up to get out.
                    Not all the time. Lesnar abused Herring from "side-back control" and I've seen GSP keep his man in that position for a while, raining knees. But I get what you're saying.

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                    • MC Fatigue
                      Banned
                      • Feb 2006
                      • 4150

                      #11
                      Re: Ground positions

                      Is it wrong that I got a little hot and bothered when you got to Full Mount?

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                      • Wet Bandit
                        MVP
                        • Apr 2009
                        • 1746

                        #12
                        Re: Ground positions

                        Originally posted by Parasight
                        Not all the time. Lesnar abused Herring from "side-back control" and I've seen GSP keep his man in that position for a while, raining knees. But I get what you're saying.
                        Yeah, but I think those instances aren't so much about control and instead are about the guy on the bottom essentially giving up. Kind of like a different way to turtle, not so much a real dynamic of ground fighting.

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                        • Wet Bandit
                          MVP
                          • Apr 2009
                          • 1746

                          #13
                          Re: Ground positions

                          Figured I'd bump this since the game is almost in everyone's hands. Hopefully help people understand some of the terminology that'll be flying around.

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