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[aholbert32]

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I see nothing wrong with it. The fighters are their brand and they need to get/keep their names buzzing as much as possible. That celebration was RT'd all day and I saw guys that aren't even fans of MMA talking about it. Gotta make a name for yourself and it, literally, pays to have a personality.

As for cyborg, he has a gofundme set up to pay his medical costs. How does Bellator not cover that?!

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Bellator doesn't have health insurance for its fighters like the UFC. What's crazy is I see a ton of mma journalists tweeting his go fund me link but none are taking Viacom, Bellator or Coker to task for not having insurance to cover its fighter.

[aholbert32]

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On my TV I could dude was seriously injured, and even before I knew the extent of the injuries I thought it was in bad taste. Dude went down holding his face and kicking his legs.



I get he's trying to promote himself, but none of my favorite fighters do anything remotely close to that and most of them are extremely famous.



That's just the way I see things, I know I'm in the minority in the way I view things.

Depends on what who those fighters are. Conor has celebrated tastelessly after a ko. In fact he flipped Aldo's corner the bird after he beat him. Brock talked **** to a concussed Mir. Jones crotch chopped Cormier. Silva showboats in damn near every fight. Didn't Ronda tell Correia to go kill herself after her KO.

The only major (well known outside of MMA fans) star I can think of who doesn't do stuff like that is GSP.

[TheShizNo1]

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Bellator doesn't have health insurance for its fighters like the UFC. What's crazy is I see a ton of mma journalists tweeting his go fund me link but none are taking Viacom, Bellator or Coker to task for not having insurance to cover its fighter.

That was the first thing to come to my mind about Bellator itself. That's ****ing crazy that an organization doesn't take care of those costs for its fighters.

Depends on what who those fighters are. Conor has celebrated tastelessly after a ko. In fact he flipped Aldo's corner the bird after he beat him. Brock talked **** to a concussed Mir. Jones crotch chopped Cormier. Silva showboats in damn near every fight. Didn't Ronda tell Correia to go kill herself after her KO.

The only major (well known outside of MMA fans) star I can think of who doesn't do stuff like that is GSP.

And even GSP wasn't above talking **** at one point.

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[redsox4evur]

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Depends on what who those fighters are. Conor has celebrated tastelessly after a ko. In fact he flipped Aldo's corner the bird after he beat him. Brock talked **** to a concussed Mir. Jones crotch chopped Cormier. Silva showboats in damn near every fight. Didn't Ronda tell Correia to go kill herself after her KO.

The only major (well known outside of MMA fans) star I can think of who doesn't do stuff like that is GSP.

Also after Conor beat someone (I can't remember who it was for the life of me.) in Boston on UFC on Fox he ran and tried to get into Aldo's face. Here's the vid.

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[Dave_S]

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Conor claimed his Aldo thing had something to do with Aldo's corner men, Brock acts like a butt, and his Mir antics are why Carwin wanted to smash him. Lots of fans got behind Carwin.

When Conor ran in Aldo's face that was after he beat Siver, he wasn't screaming at hurt Siver laying on the mat. His antics leading up to the Aldo made me not like him.

Rousey acts like a butt, but also she doesn't like Corriera and hates Tate. It seems like her a attitude was a big part of so many people turning on her the second she got ko'd.

Jones did the suck it because of a late strikes thrown by Cormier, plus those two obviously don't like each other, plus Jon acts like a butt.

I don't mind how Silva fights, but I don't remember him getting wild after ko'ing someone besides his little dance or just jumping on the cage or whatever.

That's just me, if we all thought the same thing this place would be boring.

I like MVP's tornado kick knockout were he just stood there, I didn't like his antics when he won by toe hold or when he beat Ontiveros.

[aholbert32]

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That was the first thing to come to my mind about Bellator itself. That's ****ing crazy that an organization doesn't take care of those costs for its fighters.


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Thats what makes me mad about the MMA media. The UFC does a ton of things that affect fighter's negatively (Reebok, low minimum pay etc.) but Bellator does SO much more and they just brush over it.

Bellator was accused in a lawsuit from a former employee that it forged medical documents for a fighter and submitted them to the commission so that the fighter could fight on a card. Now if that was the UFC, that story wouldve run for months. It ran like one day on Sherdog.

No health insurance for fighters.

Lower minimum payouts (as low as $1500) even though the company is owned by one of the biggest media corporations in the world.

No random drug testing and they tend to avoid most state commissions that do random testing.

Dont get me wrong. I'm a big Bellator fan (I've watched every card for the past 6 yrs) but they get a pass because the media looks at them like an underdog to the mighty UFC.

[TheShizNo1]

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Dude, $1500? Wow.

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[The JareBear]

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I think Ronda said "don't cry" to Bethe after the knockout, it was what Bethe had said to Ronda at the weigh ins or something like that. Ronda actually was pretty subdued and calm after most of her wins. She smiles and hugs her corner but that's about it.

Conor is actually pretty respectful and showed Aldo a lot of respect in his post fight interview. I never saw Conor flip the bird, I saw Aldo's guy get in Conor's face but I didn't see what happened before it.

Rolling a pokeball at a guy you just seriously damaged just strikes me as iffy. I feel if Ronda did that people would have rage strokes over it.

I don't think there's an issue with being excited after a knockout. But something about actually directing something at a downed opponent bothers me for some reason. Cartwheels and cage flips are fine to me.

I dunno. Obviously he didn't know the guys skull was fractured and his life could be in danger. I just think once you knock out your opponent you need to give them their space and respect that you just crushed someone and that's enough.

I think there's just a weird line that gets crossed when you actually focus attention on your opponent after winning as opposed to being excited in general. Jump in the crowd, Jump off the cage, do all that stuff if you want. Throwing a pokeball at a guy kicking the mat in agony is kind of, I dunno, just rude I guess. IMO. I realize we are talking about professional fighting so maybe that sounds silly

Brock was wrong for taunting Mir. Bisping was wrong for picking on Rockhold B

[aholbert32]

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Dude, $1500? Wow.

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Yep. Look at the first 4 prelim payouts for a Bellator card this past May:

Sam Spengler: $3,000 (includes $1,500 win bonus)
def. Doyle Childs: $1,000

Josh Paiva: $3,000 (includes $1,500 win bonus)
def. Steve Gruber: $1,000

Danasabe Mohammed: $2,000 (includes $1,000 win bonus)
def. Martin Sano: $2,000

Anthony Taylor: $2,000 (includes $1,000 win bonus)
def. Victor Jones: $1,000

James Chapman: $2,000 (includes $1,000 win bonus)
def. Sean Tucker: $1,000

[p_rushing]

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Bellator has to cover all the medical expenses, but won't pay him a wage for not fighting. He could get disability, etc in the USA, but not sure about being in Brazil. For as many fights he has, you would hope he would be in better financial situation, but I don't know what he was making in Bellator and he has a lot of fights in small orgs.

Bellator pay for prelims are really low, but they aren't even on TV. They are minor leagues and get paid like it. They are like AA players who get nothing. Sure they should get paid more, but they already have budget issues. Maybe if they matched the UFC they could get young fighters to sign with them instead of the UFC.

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[aholbert32]

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Bellator has to cover all the medical expenses, but won't pay him a wage for not fighting. He could get disability, etc in the USA, but not sure about being in Brazil. For as many fights he has, he should be in a better financial situation, but I don't know what he was making in Bellator.

Bellator pay for prelims are really low, but they aren't even on TV. They are minor leagues and get paid like it. They are like AA players who get nothing. Sure they should get paid more, but they already have budget issues. Maybe if they matched the UFC they could get young fighters to sign with them instead of the UFC.

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Thats not entirely true. The fighters are independent contractors and unless Bellator's contracts explicitly state that they will cover medical costs related to in fight injuries, there is no guarantee Bellator will cover them. I dont know enough about Bellator's contracts to know if they cover the costs or not. I do think its strange that the Go Fund Me page references medical costs if Bellator is covering the costs.

The fact they arent on TV isnt an excuse for those low payouts. Bellator airs all their prelims on Spike.com and Bellator.com. Its no different than when the UFC was airing the opening prelims (the first 3 fights) on Facebook before Fight Pass came along. Even back then, you never saw the UFC pay its opening fighters 1k/1k.

Also Bellator doesnt have budget issues at all. The large majority of its revenue is generated from TV. How? Because they are owned by Viacom, they have reduced production costs, get to keep most if not all of the ad revenue (The UFC doesnt in its Fox deal) and a ton of free advertising across Viacom owned networks. They dont have PPV (which is a big revenue generator) but thats because they dont have the fighters to draw PPV numbers and PPV is very expensive to run.

I'm not saying they are on par with the UFC but they arent WSOF or Legacy FC either. They generate enough revenue that they could find a health insurance policy or pay its fighters more than 1k/1k.

[DJ]

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Depends on what who those fighters are. Conor has celebrated tastelessly after a ko. In fact he flipped Aldo's corner the bird after he beat him. Brock talked **** to a concussed Mir. Jones crotch chopped Cormier. Silva showboats in damn near every fight. Didn't Ronda tell Correia to go kill herself after her KO.

The only major (well known outside of MMA fans) star I can think of who doesn't do stuff like that is GSP.

Remember Tito Ortiz's "gravedigger" celebration? LOL.

Randy Couture always struck me as classy. I think the worst thing he did was literally spank Tito, but that was DURING the fight, which made the taunt even better.

[TheShizNo1]

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Idk how we can talk class and sportsmanship in a sport in which you're aiming to know your opponents block off or snap a limb. Silly to me.

I hate the whole class/sportsmanship debate in sports.

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[Dave_S]

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Idk how we can talk class and sportsmanship in a sport in which you're aiming to know your opponents block off or snap a limb. Silly to me.

I hate the whole class/sportsmanship debate in sports.

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When I took karate they were big on respect and junk, it was common practice to get on knees and bow if someone get really hurt. Of course that's not mma, but when I watch mma I tend to think of it as a sport and not just cage fighting.

I also don't like it when fighters break limbs on purpose.

It should be noted I'm also a hypocrite because I was ecstatic after Lawler was walking down Hendricks after there 2nd fight.

[Yaari]

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Jones on estrogen blockers confirmed.