How do you think " Iron " Mike Tyson would have done in UFC?

[Inhocmark]

Re: How do you think " Iron " Mike Tyson would have done in UFC?

You look at how well traditional boxers have faired in mixed combat and while I think in his prime Tyson might've had a psychological advatange, ultimately anybody with any sort of ground game/kicks would probably be able to beat him.

I think overall boxing is just too one dimensional that if you've trained all your life for a boxing ring it may just be too much to alter your thinking for the other variables involved.

[SHO]

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Exactly how do you know what mike tyson ground game looks like.Tell me how Muhammad Ali ground game was like or George foreman or Roy Jones Jr. What about Kurt Angle he was gold medal wrestler tell me how his stand up looks like better yet tell how me Bruce Lee would have done in the UFC.You don't know.

Pro boxers/kickboxers/nak muays don't have ground games unless they are also training for MMA. And for your Kurt Angle comparison, it is a lot easier to learn how to strike after you've learned how to grapple. Grappling is generally a better starting point than striking because grappling takes YEARS to become proficient at.

What you do know is Mike Tyson has legit knock out power from the standing.How many UFC heavyweight have won fights sheer punching power and questionable ground game Tim Syvlia,Andrei Arlovksi,Tank Abbott, and list can go on.

Tim Sylvia is also 6-8, 263, Tank Abott was never that good, and Arlovski has a solid ground background in Sambo and has never been submitted.

Few fighter is stupid enough join the Ufc and work on their grappling game.I don't know about tyson ground game or take down defense all you can do is guess.All i know Mike tyson had rare punching speed and power that only would have won him couple fights in ufc.I am not saying he would be the greatest fighter depending on well he adapt to the ground game he would be some where between Iceman and tank abbott.

There is no need to guess. Tyson never wrestled, practiced Judo or BJJ in his prime years. His takedown defense would have been terrible. Even Chuck Liddell was an accomplished wrestler in college.

The only thing that would help Tyson in that regard would be the fact he would be a small heavyweight and be more difficult to get under. Another thing that would possibly play into Mike Tyson's favor was that in his prime fighters were generally one dimensional fighters, so he could get away with brawling and getting those KOs, but if they took him to the ground it would be a wrap. Another big question would be how well he could take leg kicks. Boxers who have tried to fighter kickboxers/nak muays would generally give up after getting battered in the leg a few times.

[NFLHITMAN]

Re: How do you think " Iron " Mike Tyson would have done in UFC?

Exactly how do you know what mike tyson ground game looks like.Tell me how Muhammad Ali ground game was like or George foreman or Roy Jones Jr. What about Kurt Angle he was gold medal wrestler tell me how his stand up looks like better yet tell how me Bruce Lee would have done in the UFC.You don't know.

What you do know is Mike Tyson has legit knock out power from the standing.How many UFC heavyweight have won fights sheer punching power and questionable ground game Tim Syvlia,Andrei Arlovksi,Tank Abbott, and list can go on.

Few fighter is stupid enough join the Ufc and work on their grappling game.I don't know about tyson ground game or take down defense all you can do is guess.All i know Mike tyson had rare punching speed and power that only would have won him couple fights in ufc.I am not saying he would be the greatest fighter depending on well he adapt to the ground game he would be some where between Iceman and tank abbott.

You can't say that Tyson would not have learned or trained for a ground game. His power & speed alone could have gotten him out of a lot of ground situations. Rampage Jackson has great knock out power but Tyson I believe had more in his prime and probably still does.

I also believe that Bruce Lee would have killed these guys. Look at Lyota Machida and what he has done with traditional Karate. I have trained in Taekwondo and they teach a lot of ground techniques and more.

IMO Tyson would have won the heavy weight championship with his pure punching power and speed and Bruce Lee would have won the Feather Weight Championship with his technique and speed.

[SHO]

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Biggest concern.

I think that in a best case scenario, Tyson would have been a Melvin Manhoef, Pat Barry-type of fighter but ultimately limited because he wouldn't know how to kick and his small size at HW.

[Phillmattic]

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I think Tyson would have done extremely well. He was incredibly strong and quick, had good foot work, and incredible punching power. He was built like a miniature tank, and lived for throwing punches when inside. Taking him down would be way easier said than done, not only because of his solid base but from the risk of the damage he would inflict with his hands. Any type of takedown defense and he would have been a stud.

[SHO]

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Bruce Lee was the forefather of crosstraining and mixed martial arts, but I wouldn't go as far as saying he'd run amuck in a modern FW division.

[Luck911]

Re: How do you think &quot; Iron &quot; Mike Tyson would have done in UFC?

There is no need to guess. Tyson never wrestled, practiced Judo or BJJ in his prime years. His takedown defense would have been terrible.

That a just guess as this whole topic is,We have to guess that mike tyson would get bad trainers,one who never teach him any thing about ground fighting and take down defense.We have guess that tyson has no aptitude for ground fighting.You can guess he would be bad,I can guess he would be decent with the right trainers.It is still guess

My opinion on base stand up and power puncher.Tyson would only be scrub(tank abbott) if he didn't learn one thing and even tank won some fights in mma.

[SHO]

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That a just guess as this whole topic is,We have to guess that mike tyson would get bad trainers,one who never teach him any thing about ground fighting and take down defense.We have guess that tyson has no aptitude for ground fighting.You can guess he would be bad,I can guess he would be decent with the right trainers.It is still guess

My opinion on base stand up and power puncher.Tyson would only be scrub(tank abbott) if he didn't learn one thing and even tank won some fights in mma.

Nooooooo.

Just because someone learns ground work, it does not mean that person would be able to pick it up crisply and perform it six months to a year later. It's not about aptitude, it's about pure repitition. Most kids learn amateur wrestling and BJJ in their early teens and by their mid-twenties they know what to do by heart. For example, Kimbo Slice trained extensively with Bas Rutten - Pancrase legend and MMA HoF - and still looked like a duck out of water when it came to ground work. Melvin Manhoef has been working on his BJJ for years and he too, still struggles on the ground. There have been a lot of top strikers in other combat sports only be average at MMA because of the ground game.

Not everyone is prodigious like BJ Penn, who got his black belt in three years or Cro Cop, who had the best takedown defense I've ever seen.

And considering the time in which Tyson fought (1985-2000), it's really hard to believe that he would have found great coaches considering MMA was in it's infancy in the US in the early 90s (during his prison sentence) and grappling dominated throughout most of that time. A recently released-from-prison 29-year old Mike Tyson is going to suddenly pickup takedown defense in the medieval period of UFC when fighters, let alone coaches were hard to find?

Again, Tyson would have done decent work back then the dark ages because of how most fighters were simply one-dimensional and BJJ wasn't as popular as it is now. However, guys like Pete Williams, Don Frye, Shamrock, and Vitor Belfort would have KILLED him.

[Luck911]

Re: How do you think &quot; Iron &quot; Mike Tyson would have done in UFC?

Nooooooo.

Just because someone learns ground work, it does not mean that person would be able to pick it up crisply and perform it six months to a year later. It's not about aptitude, it's about pure repitition. Most kids learn amateur wrestling and BJJ in their early teens and by their mid-twenties they know what to do by heart. For example, Kimbo Slice trained extensively with Bas Rutten - Pancrase legend and MMA HoF - and still looked like a duck out of water when it came to ground work. Melvin Manhoef has been working on his BJJ for years and he too, still struggles on the ground. There have been a lot of top strikers in other combat sports only be average at MMA because of the ground game.

Not everyone is prodigious like BJ Penn, who got his black belt in three years or Cro Cop, who had the best takedown defense I've ever seen.

And considering the time in which Tyson fought (1985-2000), it's really hard to believe that he would have found great coaches considering MMA was in it's infancy in the US in the early 90s (during his prison sentence) and grappling dominated throughout most of that time. A recently released-from-prison 29-year old Mike Tyson is going to suddenly pickup takedown defense in the medieval period of UFC when fighters, let alone coaches were hard to find?

Again, Tyson would have done decent work back then the dark ages because of how most fighters were simply one-dimensional and BJJ wasn't as popular as it is now. However, guys like Pete Williams, Don Frye, Shamrock, and Vitor Belfort would have KILLED him.

I am not total disagreeing with you but they are too many factor involve just to dismiss tyson as scrub and would not have done anything.I don't want to play the what if game.What if it was Royce gracie teaching a young mike tyson instead of cus amato.Some people are looking at like if mike tyson decided to make switch from boxing ,i am looking at like if mike tyson got some ground work in basics mma and got the fundamentals down.We don't how it would go it is just guessing.

If tyson would not succeed in mma it would not be because of physical tools,it would be because of his mental one he has been proven later on career the inability to adapt in his fights and his reckless style and mentality would leave lots opening for other fighter to take advantage of.

Still with that i can still said people being silly and trying to standing with tyson and pre jail tyson would have a very good chance against anybody striking.

[Inhocmark]

Re: How do you think &quot; Iron &quot; Mike Tyson would have done in UFC?

If Tyson hit anybody then all bets are off, he could very well win some matches if people weren't smart enough. But he'd be so one dimensional that top fighters would (at least you'd think) be able to counter the only weapon in his arsenal.

The other concern is as others have stated, he has no formal training outside of the boxing world and likely doesn't have the intellegence to be able to transform his athletic gifts into other disciplines.

I'm not saying he's stupid, but just look at his history. He was a strong brawler who none of us would've ever heard of had it not been for D'Amato taking an extreme interest in him as a boy and Tyson's desire to please him being one of the biggest reasons any of the training sunk into his head. All you have to look at are the fights after D'Amato had passed away and Tyson was in King's camp (prior to the rape charge) to see he wasn't the same fighter.

I just don't see him being willing (or perhaps able) to get even the rudimentary ground skills required to survive even against lower tier UFC fighters let alone the top tier.

[PlatooN]

Re: How do you think &quot; Iron &quot; Mike Tyson would have done in UFC?

if tyson was wearing those ufc gloves he would be putting people into retirement..i'm not saying tyson would be a title holder..but you think Chuck had knock out power? let's not forget iron mike used to put people to sleep with 1 left hook with a glove on.

[NFLHITMAN]

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The difference is that most Boxers like to punch at a distance and most kickboxer strike from a distance except some knees in close combat. Tyson loved close combat and he would take away teh bigger fighters advantage by getting close so they couldn;t use all there power. Tyson could take a punch and his close combat punches were just as powerful as any punch ever seen. The video you posted Noble was a really sad display of a boxer LOL. That guy is no where near Tyson would have been.

[Acedeck]

Re: How do you think &quot; Iron &quot; Mike Tyson would have done in UFC?

In a straight up fist fight, Tyson would make almost every single UFC fighter look like a amateur (in his hay-day). Tyson knocked people out with a single punch so many times, and that was with huge gloves on. I can't imagine him using those small UFC gloves.

Keep in mind, Tyson came from a street fighting background. Guess where UFC came from? The same place. It wasn't until rules started getting implemented that it really started becoming a "technical" sport, one that wasn't just a no holds barred battle in a cage.

[Pappy Knuckles]

Re: How do you think &quot; Iron &quot; Mike Tyson would have done in UFC?

Tyson would've been a murderer. He could've been a sickening version of Rampage. I think wrestling would've came naturally to him and he could've learned enough BJJ to stay out of trouble and power out of a lot of situations. MMA hasn't seen anyone with the raw punching power that he had. He wouldn't have been undefeated or anything like that, but I believe he had the potential to be very dangerous in this sport.

[Acedeck]

Re: How do you think &quot; Iron &quot; Mike Tyson would have done in UFC?

When it comes to any other boxer coming into MMA, I can understand people who say they wouldn't fair that well. However, Tyson would have. Take the best ever one-punch fighter in MMA and then multiply that power by about 2 or 3 and that's Tyson during his prime. Sure, he might lose a fight or two here and there, but he would have destroyed people. In fact, I have no doubts he would have injured people badly in many cases.