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  • Wet Bandit
    MVP
    • Apr 2009
    • 1746
    #16
    Re: UFC: Who Will be the First to Lose Their Title?

    Penn kept his title when he fought GSP at 170. Silva is keeping his despite fights at 205. I'm not sure why anyone has the idea that GSP would have to give up his title to fight a couple times at 185.

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      • sb24
        MVP
        • Dec 2008
        • 3165
        #17
        Re: UFC: Who Will be the First to Lose Their Title?

        Originally posted by Wet Bandit
        Penn kept his title when he fought GSP at 170. Silva is keeping his despite fights at 205. I'm not sure why anyone has the idea that GSP would have to give up his title to fight a couple times at 185.
        That is exactly what i am trying to figure out. Is there something im missing?

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          • MC Fatigue
            Banned
            • Feb 2006
            • 4150
            #18
            Re: UFC: Who Will be the First to Lose Their Title?

            People are talking about permanently moving up a weight class - which would mean GSP wouldn't fight at 170 ever again, which means he'd have to give up his title.

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              • Wet Bandit
                MVP
                • Apr 2009
                • 1746
                #19
                Re: UFC: Who Will be the First to Lose Their Title?

                Originally posted by Timmay
                People are talking about permanently moving up a weight class - which would mean GSP wouldn't fight at 170 ever again, which means he'd have to give up his title.
                That'd be pretty unprecedented. I don't think any reigning UFC champ has ever decided to permanently change weight classes. Sure, some have moved up for superfights, and former champions have moved when they could no longer hack it in their division, but I don't think any reigning champ has ever made a move like that.

                And I haven't heard a single person even suggest GSP do that. All the talk about 185 seems entirely focused on a single superfight with Silva.

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                  • MC Fatigue
                    Banned
                    • Feb 2006
                    • 4150
                    #20
                    Re: UFC: Who Will be the First to Lose Their Title?

                    Originally posted by Wet Bandit
                    And I haven't heard a single person even suggest GSP do that
                    I was just commenting on what dean said, pretty much

                    Then GSP/Silva mainly due to the fact that they are going to have to do something very different, like moving up a weight class which would vacate the belt.
                    People were saying moving up a class to fight doesn't vacate the belt, but I'm pretty sure he meant permanently, in order to get some competition, not just for a fight or two.

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                      • sb24
                        MVP
                        • Dec 2008
                        • 3165
                        #21
                        Re: UFC: Who Will be the First to Lose Their Title?

                        Originally posted by Timmay
                        People are talking about permanently moving up a weight class - which would mean GSP wouldn't fight at 170 ever again, which means he'd have to give up his title.
                        Ok thanks i was missing the permanent part. Is there a benefit for a permanent move?

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                          • MC Fatigue
                            Banned
                            • Feb 2006
                            • 4150
                            #22
                            Re: UFC: Who Will be the First to Lose Their Title?

                            Originally posted by sb24
                            Ok thanks i was missing the permanent part. Is there a benefit for a permanent move?
                            Competition and not having to bounce around weights would pretty much be it; and the perk of being one of the very few who have held a belt at two classes, if they managed that.

                            But the weight thing can get pretty tough when you're moving up and down classes instead of just having to worry about making one weight.

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                              • allBthere
                                All Star
                                • Jan 2008
                                • 5847
                                #23
                                Re: UFC: Who Will be the First to Lose Their Title?

                                Originally posted by Timmay
                                Competition and not having to bounce around weights would pretty much be it; and the perk of being one of the very few who have held a belt at two classes, if they managed that.

                                But the weight thing can get pretty tough when you're moving up and down classes instead of just having to worry about making one weight.
                                plus GSP is getting into his prime and an age where you thinken up a bit and naturally grow a bit larger. When GSP is 32 I doubt cutting to 170 will even be a viable option.
                                Liquor in the front, poker in the rear.

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                                  • bgeno
                                    MVP
                                    • Jun 2003
                                    • 4321
                                    #24
                                    Re: UFC: Who Will be the First to Lose Their Title?

                                    Originally posted by allBthere
                                    plus GSP is getting into his prime and an age where you thinken up a bit and naturally grow a bit larger. When GSP is 32 I doubt cutting to 170 will even be a viable option.
                                    He doesn't cut a whole lot to get to 170 right now. I think he walks around at 185, which is a pretty normal weight cut, I believe. Alves, on the other hand, was over 190+ for their fight, so that gives you an idea of how much weight he cuts. Rogan said he thinks Alves walks around at 200ish.
                                    Originally posted by DaImmaculateONe
                                    How many brothers does Sub-zero running around in his clothing? No one can seem to kill the right one.

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                                      • Salhus
                                        He can talk the talk
                                        • Jan 2006
                                        • 1799
                                        #25
                                        Re: UFC: Who Will be the First to Lose Their Title?

                                        Penn

                                        Then, I see Shane Carwin beating Brock. To me, it's all about the matchup with Brock.

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                                          • allBthere
                                            All Star
                                            • Jan 2008
                                            • 5847
                                            #26
                                            Re: UFC: Who Will be the First to Lose Their Title?

                                            Originally posted by bgeno
                                            He doesn't cut a whole lot to get to 170 right now. I think he walks around at 185, which is a pretty normal weight cut, I believe. Alves, on the other hand, was over 190+ for their fight, so that gives you an idea of how much weight he cuts. Rogan said he thinks Alves walks around at 200ish.
                                            but he doesn't add any unecessary weight either. He's still got extremely low body fat when not fighting. Alves is 25 and can do what he wants (including steroids imo)...but gsp being a WW a few years from now is too much. Since his career started he's become much bigger and stronger. I think fairly soon he he'll be walking around at 190, and 195 after that. I think 185 is a natural progression for him and his frame and see it as inevitable. Maybe not tomorro, but someday I believe it will be a permanent move.

                                            the sad thing is, if it's not very soon the best superfight of all time won't happen. on one hand GSP shouldn't rush it, but on the other A.Silva won't be around much longer.
                                            Liquor in the front, poker in the rear.

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                                              • throwmonkey
                                                Sideshow Bob!
                                                • Jul 2003
                                                • 750
                                                #27
                                                Re: UFC: Who Will be the First to Lose Their Title?

                                                My thought on GSP moving up permanently is who does he really have left at 170? Assuming he sticks around to fight Swick/Kampmann and wins what fight would be left? Rematches with Fitch or Alves who he didn't drop a round to? Another bludgeoning of Penn? Rumble Johnson eventually? None of those seem like money fights as compared to the superfight with Silva, and other potential matchups with Hendo, Bisping, and Wanderlei.

                                                Plus as GSP mentioned, he'd need to work to put more muscle on to really move up and I think he wouldn't want to spend the time to bulk up just to have to cut it all after one fight.

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                                                  • WAR-PROPHET
                                                    Rookie
                                                    • Jul 2009
                                                    • 6
                                                    #28
                                                    Re: UFC: Who Will be the First to Lose Their Title?

                                                    B.J.Penn will be the first.I dont think he'll recover from his lost to GSP.

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                                                      • Pappy Knuckles
                                                        LORDTHUNDERBIRD
                                                        • Sep 2004
                                                        • 15966
                                                        #29
                                                        Re: UFC: Who Will be the First to Lose Their Title?

                                                        Penn
                                                        Lesnar
                                                        Machida
                                                        GSP
                                                        Silva

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                                                          • SHO
                                                            Give us a raise, loser!
                                                            • Mar 2005
                                                            • 2045
                                                            #30
                                                            Re: UFC: Who Will be the First to Lose Their Title?

                                                            Penn - Florian can beat Penn.

                                                            Silva - Marquardt is only 185 who I'm convinced can beat Silva. He's taken his game to the next level.

                                                            Lesnar - Only this low beacuse UFC's HW division is garbage.

                                                            Machida

                                                            GSP

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