Affliction: Fedor vs Barnett called off?

[Salhus]

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Wow, I hope all this BS doesn't screw with Fedor's head

[Bona Fide]

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Because Fedor is known for having a weak mental game...

[The Chef]

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So its basically down to either Vitor Belfort (most likely scenerio), Brett Rogers or Jeff Monson? None of those possible fights sound that great but if I had to chose then I would probably go with Rogers and hope he comes at Fedor like he did Arlovski. Monson has no shot and Belfort is going to get mauled. This entire situation is going to kill this PPV, imo.

[roheblius]

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Big win for Dana White. If Belfort wins, Dana can promote him as the guy who beat Fedor when he comes to the UFC (Dana possibly mentioned signing Vitor 2 mos ago) and Fedor's leverage is gone. If Fedor wins, no big deal since his Affliction contract ends after this fight.

I don't think Dana wants Fedor to lose here. He still thinks he has a chance of signing him and Fedor/Lesnar would be 3x bigger than anything he could promote with Belfort.

[roheblius]

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Also, you have to understand that the reason these guys want the fight against Fedor is because of the rumored $500,000 payday. I'm not exactly sure what Belfort's payday is for the fight against Santiago, but I'm sure it's not $500,000.

Thus, Affliction's not necessarily trying to give Fedor these fights. These guys want the fight because it will be huge money.

Other guys like Dan Severn and Tank Abbott have wanted in as well and it's not because they think they can beat Fedor.

[aholbert32]

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So its basically down to either Vitor Belfort (most likely scenerio), Brett Rogers or Jeff Monson? None of those possible fights sound that great but if I had to chose then I would probably go with Rogers and hope he comes at Fedor like he did Arlovski. Monson has no shot and Belfort is going to get mauled. This entire situation is going to kill this PPV, imo.

I dont think Affliction will let Rogers fight. He is a undefeated top 3 heavyweight in their organization. Dont want Fedor to come in and dominate him.

[Gibbz]

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This PPV is looking hilariously bad right now. This is the end of Affliction, and hopefully all of those $80 t-shirts that guys wear.

Belfort will get crushed like a bug. I can't think of a bigger main event mismatch.

[allBthere]

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they will pay Fedor 2m to take a dive and save the day.

time to come to the ufc, otherwise he doesn't really want to fight anymore.

[XFactah416]

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I don't think Dana wants Fedor to lose here. He still thinks he has a chance of signing him and Fedor/Lesnar would be 3x bigger than anything he could promote with Belfort.

No.

Dana would want Fedor to lose, especially if Belfort is the man to knock the **** out Fedor.

First and foremost, Dana has already expressed interest in bringing back Vitor. If Vitor does the deed that nobody else has even come close to, you can bet Dana would run down ASAP and get Vitor working on a contract and a fight with Anderson Silva. And, people know who Fedor is, and most people already know who Vitor Belfort is. Belfort's wallet would be swimming in cash if he does the deed of KOing Fedor.

Next off, Fedor's undefeated-ness goes away if he loses, and thus so does his asking price. There's no way he's going to get his demands accepted if he loses to Vitor. Only a man with a clean slate on his record (save the cut loss, but whatever) could get away with what Fedor and his management has asked for, and if he loses, the demands go way down.

So, you can bet that if Vitor Belfort wins, Dana will be having a smile on his face for the next 2-3 months. It would be way too easy to promote Belfort - Silva for the MW title, and say, "Vitor Belfort, the phenom, the prodigy, coming off a knockout of the great, undefeated, Fedor Emeilaneko", and wham, you have sales.

With that said, I would rather see Vitor fight Jorge Santiago.. but whatever. Vitor - Fedor should be great while it lasts.

[roheblius]

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I think you're completely off-base, but that's why we have our own opinions, and I respect that. I just disagree with it.

Let's put this in dollars and cents.

The salary isn't truly that big of an issue if Fedor vs. Brock can do 1.5 million PPV buys and sell out the MGM.

Let's say Fedor loses this weekend. His fight with Brock isn't as hot and never will be as hot as if it was with Fedor undefeated. Instead, it'd probably do around 750,000 buys because the one thing Fedor has going for him is the undefeated streak. No casual fan in the US even knows who he is. He's pretty meaningless without the undefeated streak. Yes, I know he's lost before, but it was fluky and to the general MMA fan, they think he's undefeated anyway.

So let's say a 1.5 million PPV fight does $50 million in revenue. If their fight only does half of that and does only $25 million in revenue, do you think Dana White cares one bit if he has to pay Fedor an extra $500k to sign? No freakin' way. It's not about the money with those guys anyway. It's about exclusivity.

Now with your thought, Vitor comes in and dances with Anderson Silva. Even with Vitor hot, in my estimation, the most that fight does in buys is 600K. Silva has never main evented strong on PPV and the only reason his fight with Leites did big business is because Liddell was on the card.

So that's why wanting Fedor to lose isn't smart if Dana really thinks he can get Fedor. You want him winning and you want him looking indestructible. Remember, once Fedor is in UFC (if he's really in), he's not an outsider anymore. Just like Cro Cop and Rampage when they came over - they're on Dana's team.

[Salhus]

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Yes, Fedor is undefeated. He has a loss, but he has never been defeated

[aholbert32]

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I think you're completely off-base, but that's why we have our own opinions, and I respect that. I just disagree with it.

Let's put this in dollars and cents.

The salary isn't truly that big of an issue if Fedor vs. Brock can do 1.5 million PPV buys and sell out the MGM.

Let's say Fedor loses this weekend. His fight with Brock isn't as hot and never will be as hot as if it was with Fedor undefeated. Instead, it'd probably do around 750,000 buys because the one thing Fedor has going for him is the undefeated streak. No casual fan in the US even knows who he is. He's pretty meaningless without the undefeated streak. Yes, I know he's lost before, but it was fluky and to the general MMA fan, they think he's undefeated anyway.

So let's say a 1.5 million PPV fight does $50 million in revenue. If their fight only does half of that and does only $25 million in revenue, do you think Dana White cares one bit if he has to pay Fedor an extra $500k to sign? No freakin' way. It's not about the money with those guys anyway. It's about exclusivity.

Now with your thought, Vitor comes in and dances with Anderson Silva. Even with Vitor hot, in my estimation, the most that fight does in buys is 600K. Silva has never main evented strong on PPV and the only reason his fight with Leites did big business is because Liddell was on the card.

So that's why wanting Fedor to lose isn't smart if Dana really thinks he can get Fedor. You want him winning and you want him looking indestructible. Remember, once Fedor is in UFC (if he's really in), he's not an outsider anymore. Just like Cro Cop and Rampage when they came over - they're on Dana's team.

A couple of problems with that:

The UFC regularly sells out the MGM and Mandalay Bay w/o Brock and Fedor so that wouldnt be an issue. No way a Fedor/Brock fight drops from a potential 1.5 million with an undefeated Fedor to 750k with a one loss Fedor. Thats just throwing random numbers out there. The only difference a loss would cause is it would lower Fedor's demand and the UFC would have to build Fedor up with 2 or 3 fights before a title shot. If he's undefeated Fedor gets a title shot after one fight just like A. Silva and Rampage did.

[Wet Bandit]

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No way a Fedor/Brock fight drops from a potential 1.5 million with an undefeated Fedor to 750k with a one loss Fedor.

Yeah, Fedor would not have nearly that much of an effect on PPV buys considering the difference between 750K and 1.5 million is casual fans, and those fans have absolutely no idea who Fedor is.

I'm sure someone will say that it's about the hype the UFC can use to build it up, and there's some truth to that, but it'll be simple to hype up anything with Brock Lesnar. That guy's already got more pull among the casual fans that could result in a 1.5 million buy than Fedor could ever hope to bring.

[XFactah416]

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Nevermind. Good bye Affliction. Event canceled.

http://www.mmaweekly.com/absolutenm/...=9216&zoneid=2

[XFactah416]

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A couple of problems with that:

The UFC regularly sells out the MGM and Mandalay Bay w/o Brock and Fedor so that wouldnt be an issue. No way a Fedor/Brock fight drops from a potential 1.5 million with an undefeated Fedor to 750k with a one loss Fedor. Thats just throwing random numbers out there. The only difference a loss would cause is it would lower Fedor's demand and the UFC would have to build Fedor up with 2 or 3 fights before a title shot. If he's undefeated Fedor gets a title shot after one fight just like A. Silva and Rampage did.

I think Fedor would get an auto shot ala Hendo if he went to the UFC.

He wouldn't need a tune-up fight. The UFC probably wouldn't want to pay him the money for a tune-up fight. They want him to see and fight the big boys.