Penn accuses GSP of using steroids

[MC Fatigue]

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I'd be very surprised if GSP was on steroids.

As for Penn - maybe trying to talk smack to get some attention off his shading doings?

The guy is a prick... He's all excuses when he loses.

[Scoop_Brady]

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If you watched GSP train then you wouldn't say that. GSP works for what he has and that is the difference between him and BJ. GSP doesn't need 15 people to run with to keep him motivated. Unfortunately, someone always has to kick BJ in the rear to get him to do something. All the skill in the world will not overcome being out of shape and that has always been Bj's problem.

Time to stop making excuses for why someone is better than him.

What does his motivation have to do with steroid use? I've suspected him of using steroids since after his loss to Serra. I hate to burst your bubble but a lot of guys that take steroids are uber-committed in the gym. Hell, look at Sean Sherk. It's that kind of dedication combined with steroids that would enable GSP to dominate wrestling beasts like Koscheck and Fitch and dominate a bigger Thiago Alves even after suffering a pulled groin. I'm not saying that I think he definitely uses steroids but I certainly suspect it. In today's sports world with guys like Ortiz, A-Rod, and Clemens showing up on lists I don't know how anybody can be naive enough to think it's out of the realm of possibility.

I don't question his ability. I don't question his skill. I don't question his heart. I don't question his discipline. I don't question his motivation. I do, however, question his strength.

Just keep in mind that it's only an opinion guys.

[Wet Bandit]

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Do you suspect he's been on steroids his entire career, or only since he lost to Serra?

[The Chef]

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Very dissapointed in Penn for saying this, you can think it but you should have enough respect for your fellow fighters to keep it to yourself until something comes out on its own. You dont hear baseball players holding town hall style meetings discussing who they think is on the juice and thats because there is clearly more respect between the fellow athletes there then there is between Penn and GSP.

Now, on whether GSP is on roids or HGH, I have my doubts. GSP doesnt strike me as the type of guy that would be cutting corners to achieve his goals. With all that being said, if memory serves when I was watching the Alves fight GSP sure had a ton of acne on his back which is indicative of steroid usage so I suppose one could question it based on that but you gotta have more then that to go on before you start slinging accusations at guys.

[Scoop_Brady]

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Do you suspect he's been on steroids his entire career, or only since he lost to Serra?

I'm not sure. I became suspicious in his performances after his loss to Serra but I wouldn't rule out after his loss to Hughes. And again, I can't stress this enough, it's merely a suspicion. It's no secret I don't like GSP but I do totally respect his ability as a fighter. It's just hard to look at a picture of him early in his career and one more recent and not notice a change in his body.

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His body is much thicker and his chin is not as pointed as it used to be. He is shredded in that top picture and it's very hard to bulk up and pack on muscle over muscle while maintaining the same body weight.

I'd hate if it was true because I think he is one of the all time best regardless of whether I like him or not but I would not be surprised in the least if it was true.

Still, BJ needs to shut his yap and focus on a dangerous Kenny Florian or else he's going to have to come up with a new set of excuses.

[allBthere]

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GSP since he has entered into the ufc has been a great training machine...but after a while he got a strength and condit. coach and really increased his muscle strength. His muscles aren't really huge or anyting aside from his shoulders. If anyone looks the part it's alves...dude's peck's are bigger than most chicks.

As someone else has pointed out, he's had many title fights and therefore many tests and there has never been any suspision - so it's kind of hard to hold him suspect. Also those pictures above my post if anything show the lack of change. he's 28 now...I'm 28 and 4 years ago I wasn't as thick.

[Wet Bandit]

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It's just hard to look at a picture of him early in his career and one more recent and not notice a change in his body.

Really? The two pictures you posted look almost identical, and any slight difference in musculature can easily be explained by years of dedicated training with the best trainers in the world.

And his chin isn't as pointy? Here's a video of his first MMA fight, which has a good head shot of him doing some pre-fight talking. His chin looks like it has always looked.

And for what it's worth, Fitch said in the post fight presser that he didn't feel that GSP's strength was overwhelming, it was his speed and especially the quickness and fluidity of his hips, something Fitch called a god-given ability.

Honestly, it seems like you've come to your conclusion, and you're just trying to find whatever you can to back it up. The stuff you brought up was surprisingly weak.

[Wet Bandit]

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J0m1AL8S8MU

There's a video BJ posted "apologizing" to all parties involved.

[Richzilla]

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Sounds like BJ is just stirring up **** to create hype in order to get a payday.

seen this a million times over the years.

R

[The Chef]

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J0m1AL8S8MU

There's a video BJ posted "apologizing" to all parties involved.

That was such a ridiculous "apology". He never denies saying it, he never says it was taken out of context, and even confirms he said it, so I dont see the point in this. If he really thinks the guy is on roids, and hes already made that clear, then why even bother apologizing at this point? BJ sounds like hes losing his mind when he questions why Kevin Iole did some research and called around, what the hell else would you expect from a reporter? If Penn didnt want this to grow legs then he shouldnt have said anything to begin with and just kept his mouth shut. I still hope he beats up on Florian Saturday but this was a ridiculous moment, even by his standards.

[Rules]

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I'm not sure. I became suspicious in his performances after his loss to Serra but I wouldn't rule out after his loss to Hughes. And again, I can't stress this enough, it's merely a suspicion. It's no secret I don't like GSP but I do totally respect his ability as a fighter. It's just hard to look at a picture of him early in his career and one more recent and not notice a change in his body.

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More Current:


His body is much thicker and his chin is not as pointed as it used to be. He is shredded in that top picture and it's very hard to bulk up and pack on muscle over muscle while maintaining the same body weight.

I'd hate if it was true because I think he is one of the all time best regardless of whether I like him or not but I would not be surprised in the least if it was true.

Still, BJ needs to shut his yap and focus on a dangerous Kenny Florian or else he's going to have to come up with a new set of excuses.

Sorry I am not seeing much of a huge difference in your pictures above. Just because someone gains muscle and is defined must mean they are on steroids according to YOUR OPINION. I guess I am on steriods too since I run 4-5 days per week, weight lift 3-4 days per week, have visible abs because I work hard and eat clean. Oh and since I put on close to 10 pounds of muscle this past year must have been due to steriods. Give me a break! I've been around those who have used steriods and no they do not look like GSP. Plus, since I also do MMA and am in the gym often, I find that those who have been on steriods are extremely slow to react during transitions. GSP is the opposite. Oh and I have put on muscle over muscle whiling maintaining the SAME weight.

Gotta love conspiracy theorist who don't have a clue what they believe and then try to prove it with zero facts, a piss poor picture comparison and then try to convince the world of their suspicions.

[Vince]

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I'm not sure. I became suspicious in his performances after his loss to Serra but I wouldn't rule out after his loss to Hughes. And again, I can't stress this enough, it's merely a suspicion. It's no secret I don't like GSP but I do totally respect his ability as a fighter. It's just hard to look at a picture of him early in his career and one more recent and not notice a change in his body.

Early:


More Current:


His body is much thicker and his chin is not as pointed as it used to be. He is shredded in that top picture and it's very hard to bulk up and pack on muscle over muscle while maintaining the same body weight.

I'd hate if it was true because I think he is one of the all time best regardless of whether I like him or not but I would not be surprised in the least if it was true.

Still, BJ needs to shut his yap and focus on a dangerous Kenny Florian or else he's going to have to come up with a new set of excuses.

With all due respect, you are really reaching for something here...There's is barely a difference between these two pics...

People seriously need to get with the program and realize that just because a guy has a well built body, it doesn't make him a roider...

[Scoop_Brady]

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I guess I should have expected to not be able to share my opinion on the matter without getting crucified for it. Feel free to disagree but don't rip me apart for having an unpopular opinion. I have also clarified that I'm suspicious, not completely positive, that he may be using steroids. You'd think I came in here and said the baby Jesus was a jerk.

I'm not an idiot or a ***** but I do honestly think he may be using steroids. Sorry.

Rules, you say you put on 10 pounds of solid muscle through a rigorous workout regime? Were you shredded before? Did you add 10 pounds of solid muscle on top of an already shredded frame?

And it's great that you are the absolute authority on steroids because you've grappled with some guys that have taken them. I guess it must be true that every single MMA guy that has taken steroids are slow in transitions. Steroids aren't going to ruin those guys transitions reactions, they likely never had very good reaction speeds to begin with. GSP has always had good transition speeds. To me that means nothing. Barry Bonds was a great HR hitter before taking steroids and the steroids certainly didn't slow down his reaction time. The steroids basically took his skills and added power to his swing. Couldn't the same be true for GSP? Steroids obviously don't make all athletes better (isn't that ironic) but it does enhance athletes with special talent. See Bonds, Ramirez, Clemons, A-Rod, Sosa, McGuire, Ortiz.

And if you guys honestly can't see the difference between his skinny muscular frame and his thick muscular frame in the 2 pics I don't think you're looking hard enough. Body frames don't usually change when you add muscle, muscles just get bigger.

And because he's been in so many title fights means he's clean because of testing? Every sports league in the universe tests and yet athletes in every sports league are still using.

All I'm saying is don't be so naive that GSP couldn't be using steroids. And again, I'm not saying he is, I'm just a little suspicious. Please don't attack me for having that opinion.

[Rules]

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Rules, you say you put on 10 pounds of solid muscle through a rigorous workout regime?

Were you shredded before? Did you add 10 pounds of solid muscle on top of an already shredded frame?

And it's great that you are the absolute authority on steroids because you've grappled with some guys that have taken them. I guess it must be true that every single MMA guy that has taken steroids are slow in transitions.

My abs became bigger, I lost some fat on the sides and toned out more. I owe that to P90x.

I'm no expert in steroids, I am just telling you what I have noticed at my gym. You have your opinions, but I can't say I agree just like you don't agree with me. Remember who started it as you responded to MY original OPINION.

Btw: when you are comparing Bonds to steroids it shows that you really have not followed that story. HGH: Human Growth Hormone. That is why Bond's head became so big. Steroids doesn't do that.

[Scoop_Brady]

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