UFC 114 - Rashad vs. Rampage

[Phillmattic]

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There in lies the problem, you bring up all these things here but yet I dont remember much of anybody saying those things here. If your argument is based on what other people are saying on other message boards then I dont know what to tell you. I didnt complain about what GSP did in his fight with Hardy. I didnt complain about Shields working Hendo. I didnt find tonights fight entertaining in the least as no damage was even done when Evans did get the takedown. I dont like guys leaning on a fighter against the cage while doing no damage, Couture did it againt Vera and won so clearly it works, but its just not something Im into watching.

Im not a Rampage nor Evans fan so I have no problem sharing the blame between them both. Rampage should have had a tune up fight anyways as I find it hard to believe that you can take 14 months off from MMA and training and then suddenly step in against a top contender like Evans and hold your own with him. Rampage looked a step slow, he looked like he couldnt find his range and he paid for it. Evans had a solid gameplan for a win, hats off to him, but for me he needs to actually do some damage when he gets a guy down instead of just throwing little pillow punches from in close doing next to no damage in the process.

I just made a general comment about how I felt about some of these "fans" and I guess you felt that applied to you so you responded.

I never made any remarks directly to you or said that you said anything in the past.

If you want to make this about you personally, go ahead.

Fact is that if you look here or on any mma site you'll most likely see people complaining about all of the examples I mentioned.

[Acedeck]

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I just made a general comment about how I felt about some of these "fans" and I guess you felt that applied to you so you responded.

I never made any remarks directly to you or said that you said anything in the past.

If you want to make this about you personally, go ahead.

Fact is that if you look here or on any mma site you'll most likely see people complaining about all of the examples I mentioned.

Making "general comments" about things no one said on *these* forums is only going to start stuff for no reason. You're pushing other people's views and opinions onto us, veiling it as a "general" comment.

[The Chef]

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I just made a general comment about how I felt about some of these "fans" and I guess you felt that applied to you so you responded.

I never made any remarks directly to you or said that you said anything in the past.

If you want to make this about you personally, go ahead.

Fact is that if you look here or on any mma site you'll most likely see people complaining about all of the examples I mentioned.

Well when you make a general comment that specifically references things Ive mentioned in this very thread then its a little difficult to somehow know the intent of said message. Having said that, you cant expect me to not say something under those circumstances since it clearly comes across as a broad swipe at anyone and everyone here who was complaining about the fight tonight and its entertainment value, which again, includes myself.

[sportznut02]

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I thought that last night from top to bottom was a great night of fights. It was probably one of the better cards last night in quite some time.

[chicubsfan20]

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I don't see how anybody can argue that the fight was good. It was a good strategy by Rashad, since it won. But as far as entertainment value goes, that fight was a snoozer.

I second this. The fight was good for Rashad, since his strategy did win for him. If you look at Rampage's side, that fight wasn't too good. Fight was not entertaining, it seemed a lot of was clinching againist the edge and not much striking.

Should be interesting if these two decide to fight again. I'd buy that event again.

[Jukeman]

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The best part about the event was..THQ was their to witness MMA and not Mortal Kombat..

[Phillmattic]

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Making "general comments" about things no one said on *these* forums is only going to start stuff for no reason. You're pushing other people's views and opinions onto us, veiling it as a "general" comment.

Actually people on these forums do make these comments, they're in this very thread you're reading.

The most disappointing part of the night had to be Todd Duffee losing. I thought that he was way overhyped and that the 7 second KO would be the worse thing that could have happened to him. He came out and looked outstanding. Although his progress up the ranks will definitely be slowed down by this loss I think eventually he's going to be a problem for the HW division. Duffee should definitely get the same "up and comer" buzz that a Phil Davis, or Jon Jones, or JDS were getting.

As soon as Lil Nog vs Forrest was announced I thought "This is going to be a good win for Forrest." too bad he had to pull out of this fight. If Brilz didn't gas, he would have sealed that fight. The Nogs are a bit overrated.

[Gotmadskillzson]

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I find it funny people call Rashad plan boring and he wasn't doing no damage, but praised GSP for doing the exact same thing in damn near all of his fights. Last I checked, Hardy didn't have a mark on him and he fought 5 rounds. LOL

The irony on these boards is something else. You fight to win, not to please the fans. Shad did his thing. He plan was to win off of points and being the more active fighter, which he was. Keyword being active. As long as you swinging here and there, your active. Don't have to connect hard to be active.

I am sure Shad seen that Russo fight and was like damn, I better stick to my plan and don't go head hunter happy trying to KO somebody or I might get KO'ed too after I was dominating the whole fight.

[Ghostf4cekilla]

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I find it funny people call Rashad plan boring and he wasn't doing no damage, but praised GSP for doing the exact same thing in damn near all of his fights. Last I checked, Hardy didn't have a mark on him and he fought 5 rounds. LOL

The irony on these boards is something else. You fight to win, not to please the fans. Shad did his thing. He plan was to win off of points and being the more active fighter, which he was. Keyword being active. As long as you swinging here and there, your active. Don't have to connect hard to be active.

I am sure Shad seen that Russo fight and was like damn, I better stick to my plan and don't go head hunter happy trying to KO somebody or I might get KO'ed too after I was dominating the whole fight.

atleast gsp will stand and strike somewhat alot more than rashad, or if he does take you down he put some work in i dont want to hear that bs, ufc doesnt have enough rounds for a amutuer boxing match.I understand trying to use your wrestling ability bit it wasn't even takedowns its was mostly jab or a fake then hold rampage against the gate the whole match.

I dont expect him to go rock em sock em robots but he did bassicaly 0 work in the posistions he had he had some decent ground n pound at the end of the fight and thats it. shad knows his standup aint as seriou as it was gassed up to be. he did this same crap to thiago silva and when he tried to stand up with him at the end of the fight he got rocked.rampage did look rusty but that was a lame main event you can see in the face of both men they knew it was one 2

[feedthehorse28]

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In Shad's post-fight interview he should've said "I love it when a plan comes together," to mock Page's A-Team role.

haha i was just waiting for him to say "I PITY THE FOOL!"

[Phillmattic]

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atleast gsp will stand and strike somewhat alot more than rashad, or if he does take you down he put some work in i dont want to hear that bs, ufc doesnt have enough rounds for a amutuer boxing match.I understand trying to use your wrestling ability bit it wasn't even takedowns its was mostly jab or a fake then hold rampage against the gate the whole match.

I dont expect him to go rock em sock em robots but he did bassicaly 0 work in the posistions he had he had some decent ground n pound at the end of the fight and thats it. shad knows his standup aint as seriou as it was gassed up to be. he did this same crap to thiago silva and when he tried to stand up with him at the end of the fight he got rocked.rampage did look rusty but that was a lame main event you can see in the face of both men they knew it was one 2

There is a strategy to clinch work against the cage, not only does it wear your opponent down because you're making them HAVE to work, but there are a number of options that are available to you. Knees to the side of the leg although subtle do have an effect, also Rashad was constantly changing levels and forcing Rampage to have to defend against being taken down. Rampage is a big guy with good takedown defense and a ton of punching power, but all that drastically decreases the longer the fight goes on. All that work in the clinch and having to recover from takedowns tired Rampage who had been off for 14 months anyways, to the point where he couldn't capitalize and finish Evans when he had him hurt in the third round, just like Thiago in the same situation.

Some people complain about lay and pray, but if Rashad wasn't working after those takedowns against Thiago or Rampage then they wouldn't have been able to get to their feet so fast. Trying to improve you position and trying to find leverage for better punches is what opens up gaps for your opponent to escape.

[JerseySuave4]

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very disappointed Rampage lost but Rashad really made this a boring fight. I was surprised he rocked Rampage with that 1 punch but other than that it was hold him against he cage or lay on him. It was a lot like Randy Couture. At least do something instead of just holding him there. For all the talk leading up to it i expected there to be more exchanges and i think Rampage expected the same thing and was just waiting for that chance to catch Rashad in an exchange and he finally got him in the last round but he didnt finish.

[The Chef]

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I find it funny people call Rashad plan boring and he wasn't doing no damage, but praised GSP for doing the exact same thing in damn near all of his fights. Last I checked, Hardy didn't have a mark on him and he fought 5 rounds. LOL

The irony on these boards is something else. You fight to win, not to please the fans. Shad did his thing. He plan was to win off of points and being the more active fighter, which he was. Keyword being active. As long as you swinging here and there, your active. Don't have to connect hard to be active.

I am sure Shad seen that Russo fight and was like damn, I better stick to my plan and don't go head hunter happy trying to KO somebody or I might get KO'ed too after I was dominating the whole fight.

GSP actually had numerous sub attempts to end the fight. What did Evans do that would remotely resemble an attempt at ending the fight? No sub attempts even when he had the gullotine right there for the taking in the 3rd round. Evans wasnt going to stand with Rampage, seeing the Duffee fight had no effect on that decision as those decisions are made in your camp leading up to the fight, they wouldnt suddenly scrap their plan based on what happened in a different fight on the card that night.

[filtertmp]

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very disappointed Rampage lost but Rashad really made this a boring fight.

This seems to be a common sentiment.. that it was somehow rashad's fault that the fight was boring.

Is rampage just some passive observer? Last I checked it is his responsibility to escape his opponents dominant positions and try to inflict damage himself. He knew he was down in the fight.. The concept of wall-n-stall isn't dictated by one fighter.

If rashad hadn't changed levels into page's incidental knee (and gotten rocked) the rhetoric on this fight would be how pathetic rampage looked rather than the hilariously revisionist 'rashad is a boring lay-n-prayer' I've been seeing all over the web.

http://fightmetric.com/fights/Evans-Jackson.html

Rampage was thoroughly defeated.. Evans landed 50% more strikes than machida did in his 5 round standup battle against shogun, for the record.. just to put the fight into perspective.

[BigDofBA]

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I should have put money on the main event. It played out exactly how I expected it to.

That Todd Duffee fight was crazy though. Lightning in a bottle.

Co-sign.

I thought Evans would win by decision in what many would call a boring fight. It was just that. Evans executed his gameplan and came away with the win.