UFC 121 - Lesnar - Velasquez

[slimm44]

Re: UFC 121 - Lesnar - Velasquez

Anderson gets all 5 titles
I think he could legitametly get the 170 and 205 titles. 265 the difference wil kill him, just like that will hurt Cain.

Doesn't the HW class start at 225?

[Ifly8o8]

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This last fight i think just helped Brock more than anything else. He learned that he has holes, and can be knocked on his ***. Now he knows exactly what to work on in camp. After he got subbed by Mir, you could see his improvement in his sub defense.

True. However he has a wrestling background which helps control his opponents on the ground. I highly doubt he can pick up the standing game in a matter of months with not much expeience in that area. While I'm sure that's a big focus in this camp, he won't be on par with a solid striker.

[DTX3]

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Oh yeah, watching Cain complete the upset live = priceless. Definitely gotta try and make it out there.

[redsrule]

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Doesn't the HW class start at 225?

206-265. But him being 50 pounds less than brock would hurt him.

True. However he has a wrestling background which helps control his opponents on the ground. I highly doubt he can pick up the standing game in a matter of months with not much expeience in that area. While I'm sure that's a big focus in this camp, he won't be on par with a solid striker.

Im not saying that, but he can work on his defense there. He can continue tp work on it and get better. We all saw his heart, so he can survive.

[Ifly8o8]

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206-265. But him being 50 pounds less than brock would hurt him.

Im not saying that, but he can work on his defense there. He can continue tp work on it and get better. We all saw his heart, so he can survive.

True that. I see alot of people don't like him but IMO he is one of the hardest working fighters out there. He's constantly improving, his conditioning is phenomenal and his heart is into this. IMO Brock is the definition of dedication and hardwork to this sport. Although his attitude isn't/wasn't the best the guy is dedicated to the game.

[Ifly8o8]

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In order for Cain to win his conditioning needs to be the best it's ever been. Lesnar is a training machine and will not gas so his wrestling is always an issue. If Cain can keep the fight standing and have enough in his tank to prevent the takedown for 5 rounds he has a very good shot. His best bet is to use his speed and pepper Lesnar and score pts standing. IMO if Cain wins it will be by decision. I highly doubt he will knock out Lesnar and if he goes to the ground to use his BJJ he just entered into Brocks world which is a big mistake IMO

Thats crazy. Like an hour after I wrote this Dan Metzer or whatever from Yahoo wrote an article on an interview with Cain. Basically I hit the gameplan to the tee. Great Cardio, prevent the takedown, use his speed to move and pepper Brock with shots. He even says that he expects to go all five rounds. Sorry, just thought it was interesting.

http://sports.yahoo.com/mma/news;_ylt=Ap72h4rHYFK7t5b4GoKuLOY9Eo14?slug=dm-cain071210

[thegut]

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Thats crazy. Like an hour after I wrote this Dan Metzer or whatever from Yahoo wrote an article on an interview with Cain. Basically I hit the gameplan to the tee. Great Cardio, prevent the takedown, use his speed to move and pepper Brock with shots. He even says that he expects to go all five rounds. Sorry, just thought it was interesting.

http://sports.yahoo.com/mma/news;_yl...=dm-cain071210

Cain is going to be a huge test for Lesnar. He is a quick HW with an amzing all round game. His cardio is through the roof and he has taken some of the hardest shots I have ever seen from Kongo on the chin and just kept coming. I don't see Cain gassing or doing something stupid. Should be a war. This is the fight I have been looking forward too.

[Phobia]

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Cain is going to be a huge test for Lesnar. He is a quick HW with an amzing all round game. His cardio is through the roof and he has taken some of the hardest shots I have ever seen from Kongo on the chin and just kept coming. I don't see Cain gassing or doing something stupid. Should be a war. This is the fight I have been looking forward too.

Basically anyone that is put against Brock will be a great fight. Because Brock is a killer. He has that mentality of destruction in him. So when he fights, you can mark it down. It will be worth watching.

[redsrule]

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Basically anyone that is put against Brock will be a great fight. Because Brock is a killer. He has that mentality of destruction in him. So when he fights, you can mark it down. It will be worth watching.

Exactly. I doubt he will ever become a GSP with his wrestling. He tries to finish his fights no matter what

[Alkalinesolo022]

Re: UFC 121 - Lesnar - Velasquez

Should be an awesome fight, but I don't think Cain's quickness can outweigh Brock's size and athleticism.

I'm pulling for Cain - but I think he has a ~10% chance.

[JerseySuave4]

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Could this be an effort by the UFC to generate some heel heat for Brock by making him fight Velasquez in Southern California (North Mexico)? I'll be going if I can snag some free tix from Dana via twitter.

Last UFC I went to in SoCal featured Velasquez and the only thing louder than the cheers for him that night were the boo's after the decision of the main event. This **** is on like Burro Kong.

This isnt the WWE. Why would they want Brock to be a heel anyway? I think he made great strides in his popularity after what he did in the last fight. Most people didnt like him and wanted to see him get KOd, he took Carwin's shots and survived. He was the 1st guy to beat Carwin, he did it by submission (which no one expected) and after the fight he was more humble and respectful towards everyone.

Like someone else said, the fight against Carwin was a huge help for Brock. It was the 1st time he really took a shot and took punches to the head, and from a powerful guy like Shane yet he was able to survive. He now really knows what its like to be hit and that he can take it but that he needs to work on his striking defense and his defense if he does get tagged and has to survive.

As much as i love Cain, Brock is going to just take him down and dominate him on the ground. Cain having a wrestling background may make him believe he can hold his own on the ground against Brock but Brock is too big and too strong so i dont see this fight going any other way.

If you really think about it, Brock is a silly mistake away from being 7-0. If he doesnt make an amateur mistake against Mir and get caught in a leg lock, he prob would have continued to control that fight. Yes its hard to just assume that, but hypothetically speaking he should have won that fight.

Now add to that the fact that he's been in the UFC for all but 1 of his fights and has fought the top talent in the divison... thats pretty impressive. The guy has a killer instinct that not many have. This guy's whole life is training. He lives in the middle of nowhere, does nothing but train and hunt, is shut off to outside distractions and all of those other things that come with being famous, and loves to fight and hurt people.

[redsrule]

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This isnt the WWE. Why would they want Brock to be a heel anyway? I think he made great strides in his popularity after what he did in the last fight. Most people didnt like him and wanted to see him get KOd, he took Carwin's shots and survived. He was the 1st guy to beat Carwin, he did it by submission (which no one expected) and after the fight he was more humble and respectful towards everyone.

Like someone else said, the fight against Carwin was a huge help for Brock. It was the 1st time he really took a shot and took punches to the head, and from a powerful guy like Shane yet he was able to survive. He now really knows what its like to be hit and that he can take it but that he needs to work on his striking defense and his defense if he does get tagged and has to survive.

As much as i love Cain, Brock is going to just take him down and dominate him on the ground. Cain having a wrestling background may make him believe he can hold his own on the ground against Brock but Brock is too big and too strong so i dont see this fight going any other way.

If you really think about it, Brock is a silly mistake away from being 7-0. If he doesnt make an amateur mistake against Mir and get caught in a leg lock, he prob would have continued to control that fight. Yes its hard to just assume that, but hypothetically speaking he should have won that fight.

Now add to that the fact that he's been in the UFC for all but 1 of his fights and has fought the top talent in the divison... thats pretty impressive. The guy has a killer instinct that not many have. This guy's whole life is training. He lives in the middle of nowhere, does nothing but train and hunt, is shut off to outside distractions and all of those other things that come with being famous, and loves to fight and hurt people.

100% agree with what you said. And he probably would have won the first fight against mir if steve mazfaggati doesnt stand it up for one punch to back of the head.

[VanCitySportsGuy]

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This card has shaped up nicely.

Main Card:
Brock Lesnar vs. Cain Velasquez
Matt Hamill vs. Tito Ortiz
Martin Kampmann vs. Jake Shields
Gabriel Gonzaga vs. Brendan Schaub
Diego Sanchez vs. Paulo Thiago

Prelims:
Patrick Cote vs. Tom Lawlor
Ryan Jensen vs. Court McGee
Sam Stout vs. Paul Taylor
Chris Camozzi vs. Dongi Yang

Hopefully the fans in Anaheim do a better job of buying tickets than LA and Oakland.

[DTX3]

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Anyone know when tickets go on sale?

[redsrule]

Re: UFC 121 - Lesnar - Velasquez

This card has shaped up nicely.

Main Card:
Brock Lesnar vs. Cain Velasquez
Matt Hamill vs. Tito Ortiz
Martin Kampmann vs. Jake Shields
Gabriel Gonzaga vs. Brendan Schaub
Diego Sanchez vs. Paulo Thiago

Prelims:
Patrick Cote vs. Tom Lawlor
Ryan Jensen vs. Court McGee
Sam Stout vs. Paul Taylor
Chris Camozzi vs. Dongi Yang

Hopefully the fans in Anaheim do a better job of buying tickets than LA and Oakland.

This main card is sick. Hopefully it can live up to the hype.