UFC 149 - Faber v. Barao - Calgary - July 22

[ex carrabba fan]

Re: UFC 149 - Faber v. Barao - Calgary - July 22

Basically people who I think are out of luck.. Stann, Bisping, Vitor, yet I think they are all close, Vitor included. If Vitor can defeat Belcher if they are matched, he'll be right back into the convo.

The guys that are up in the air: Weidman, Belcher, Boestch.

I think it's tough to call out of Weidman and Belcher. Weidman looked very uninspiring over Maia. It's not as easy I think to figure out what to do with these three guys. I almost feel as if two of those three should definitely fight before any #1 contender is figured out.

[aholbert32]

Re: UFC 149 - Faber v. Barao - Calgary - July 22

Basically people who I think are out of luck.. Stann, Bisping, Vitor, yet I think they are all close, Vitor included. If Vitor can defeat Belcher if they are matched, he'll be right back into the convo.

The guys that are up in the air: Weidman, Belcher, Boestch.

I think it's tough to call out of Weidman and Belcher. Weidman looked very uninspiring over Maia. It's not as easy I think to figure out what to do with these three guys. I almost feel as if two of those three should definitely fight before any #1 contender is figured out.

This wouldnt be a problem if Jones would fight Silva.

[ManiacMatt1782]

Re: UFC 149 - Faber v. Barao - Calgary - July 22

Basically people who I think are out of luck.. Stann, Bisping, Vitor, yet I think they are all close, Vitor included. If Vitor can defeat Belcher if they are matched, he'll be right back into the convo.

The guys that are up in the air: Weidman, Belcher, Boestch.

I think it's tough to call out of Weidman and Belcher. Weidman looked very uninspiring over Maia. It's not as easy I think to figure out what to do with these three guys. I almost feel as if two of those three should definitely fight before any #1 contender is figured out.

Didn't Wideman take the Maia fight on about a week's notice?

[aholbert32]

Re: UFC 149 - Faber v. Barao - Calgary - July 22

Didn't Wideman take the Maia fight on about a week's notice?

2 weeks notice.

[TheShizNo1]

Why is Vitor in this discussion? Wasn't his last victory against a overweight no longer employed in the UFC Rumble Johnson?

[aholbert32]

Re: UFC 149 - Faber v. Barao - Calgary - July 22

Why is Vitor in this discussion? Wasn't his last victory against a overweight no longer employed in the UFC Rumble Johnson?

Yep. He's trying to talk his way back into contention. He beat Rumbleweight and thats it. If he beats Belcher, he should be one away from a rematch.

[ex carrabba fan]

Re: UFC 149 - Faber v. Barao - Calgary - July 22

Didn't Wideman take the Maia fight on about a week's notice?

Yes he did and I mentioned that. Point is, I'm a bit cautious to look at that win and consider it a "quality" win. I give him all the credit in the world for taking the fight, but facts are facts and he looked lethargic. It was an ugly performance.

My overall point is his resume isn't really that much better than Belcher's. Especially if Belcher defeats Vitor convincingly.

[redsrule]

Re: UFC 149 - Faber v. Barao - Calgary - July 22

Maia looked worse than Weidman, and he had a full camp to prepare. Weidman fought on 11 days notice, and he had to lose 35 pounds. All he did was cut weight. I'd say it was impressive since he got the win against a top 10 guy.

[ex carrabba fan]

Re: UFC 149 - Faber v. Barao - Calgary - July 22

Maia looked worse than Weidman, and he had a full camp to prepare. Weidman fought on 11 days notice, and he had to lose 35 pounds. All he did was cut weight. I'd say it was impressive since he got the win against a top 10 guy.

They both looked awful, that's kind of part of my point haha. I'm not ignoring the short notice, in fact I said so twice now... just looking at the results, it wasn't pretty at all. Even Weidman was somewhat disappointed in his performance.

I don't count that as a "great quality" win, as opposed to if Belcher were to go out and convincingly win against an in shape Vitor...

That would be two great wins against Pallhares and Vitor vs. Weidman's great win against Munoz and a lackluster [being nice] win over Maia.

Belcher in my eyes would certainly have a better case for #1 contender than Weidman. And I love Weidman and his skill set... All I'm saying is the gap is small as it is between Weidman and Belcher's cases, and with a win against Vitor... Belcher would be elevated IMO.

Hell look at Boestch. One great win against Okami and then a lackluster win against Lombard... he is in the convo too if Weidman is.

[aholbert32]

Re: UFC 149 - Faber v. Barao - Calgary - July 22

They both looked awful, that's kind of part of my point haha. I'm not ignoring the short notice, in fact I said so twice now... just looking at the results, it wasn't pretty at all. Even Weidman was somewhat disappointed in his performance.

I don't count that as a "great quality" win, as opposed to if Belcher were to go out and convincingly win against an in shape Vitor...

That would be two great wins against Pallhares and Vitor vs. Weidman's great win against Munoz and a lackluster [being nice] win over Maia.

Belcher in my eyes would certainly have a better case for #1 contender than Weidman. And I love Weidman and his skill set... All I'm saying is the gap is small as it is between Weidman and Belcher's cases, and with a win against Vitor... Belcher would be elevated IMO.

Hell look at Boestch. One great win against Okami and then a lackluster win against Lombard... he is in the convo too if Weidman is.

Here is the problem: Belcher doesnt have the Belfort win yet and his fight against Belfort in late October will probaby be his last in 2012. He couldnt fight Silva in 2012 if he wanted to.

Boetsch isnt on the same level of Weidman imo. Weidman beat the #1 contender for the middleweight belt. Everyone thought Munoz would get the shot if he beat Weidman. Weidman crushed him. I love Boetsch but the Okami win isnt in the same realm as Weidman's Munoz win. Boetsch was getting dominated the first 2 rounds.

[ex carrabba fan]

Re: UFC 149 - Faber v. Barao - Calgary - July 22

Here is the problem: Belcher doesnt have the Belfort win yet and his fight against Belfort in late October will probaby be his last in 2012. He couldnt fight Silva in 2012 if he wanted to.

Boetsch isnt on the same level of Weidman imo. Weidman beat the #1 contender for the middleweight belt. Everyone thought Munoz would get the shot if he beat Weidman. Weidman crushed him. I love Boetsch but the Okami win isnt in the same realm as Weidman's Munoz win. Boetsch was getting dominated the first 2 rounds.

Is Silva even going to fight in 2012 anyway? I have a feeling he won't.

Weidman I would definitely give the nod over Boetsch, no question. But, if Belcher wins against Vitor and Weidman isn't given the shot against Anderson in the mean time, I mean that's going to be a tough call between Belcher and Weidman.

[aholbert32]

Re: UFC 149 - Faber v. Barao - Calgary - July 22

Is Silva even going to fight in 2012 anyway? I have a feeling he won't.

Weidman I would definitely give the nod over Boetsch, no question. But, if Belcher wins against Vitor and Weidman isn't given the shot against Anderson in the mean time, I mean that's going to be a tough call between Belcher and Weidman.

They have 3 major cards scheduled for December. Its likely that JDS/Cain will be one of them. Jones may be available for one too but the need a headliner for the third one. Aldo is fighting in October so thats out. GSP is fighting in November. They need someone for the third card and they aren't likely to let Silva sit out unless he's injured.

[ex carrabba fan]

Re: UFC 149 - Faber v. Barao - Calgary - July 22

If that's the case, then Weidman is the obvious choice...

They would have to announce it very soon right, if they were gonna have Anderson fighting by the end of 2012...

[aholbert32]

Re: UFC 149 - Faber v. Barao - Calgary - July 22

If that's the case, then Weidman is the obvious choice...

They would have to announce it very soon right, if they were gonna have Anderson fighting by the end of 2012...

Not really. They haven't formally announced the GSP/Condit fight in November. They could wait until late September if Silva fights on the NYE card.

[ManiacMatt1782]

Re: UFC 149 - Faber v. Barao - Calgary - July 22

Yes he did and I mentioned that. Point is, I'm a bit cautious to look at that win and consider it a "quality" win. I give him all the credit in the world for taking the fight, but facts are facts and he looked lethargic. It was an ugly performance.

My overall point is his resume isn't really that much better than Belcher's. Especially if Belcher defeats Vitor convincingly.

Maia also has a weird style. Unless you KO him in spectacular fashion like Marquardt did, even people who win vs Maia generally don't look great. Munoz looked pretty "meh" vs Maia, sometimes its hard to really look good vs some fighters.

Edit: Silva looked bad vs maia, and was so gassed, and afraid of being taken down and submitted in the last 2 rounds, he backpedaled so much mirgliotta warned him for timidity, and if he decided to take a point, Maia/Silva would have been a draw. I don't blame weidman for not looking good vs Maia. Frankly noone does.