Nick Diaz ends retirement and wants to fight Anderson Silva

[aholbert32]

Re: Nick Diaz ends retirement and wants to fight Anderson Silva

I don't like how the UFC allows these champs to sit on the belts. Fight once or twice a year ONLY.

Junior - once every 6 months
GSP - Once every 6 months to year
Anderson - Once every 6 months to year
Bones - 3 times in 2011 and once already in 2012 (I think he is one of the few to deserve a break)
Aldo - Once every 6 months

I understand they "earned" the title and should fight less, but when the division is damn near cleared out things should be done to match two title holders. I don't think there is a "perfect" solution to the problem but I think it is something that does need looking into.

Most of those guys arent sitting on titles. You arent counting injuries. JDS was hurt after the Cain fight and is hurt now. GSP when healthy fights 3 times a year. Before the knee injury he was scheduled to fight 3 times a year (December 2010 - Koscheck, April 2010 - Shields and October 2010-Condit/Diaz). Aldo actually fought three times in 12 months (April 2011- Hominick, October 2011- Florian and January 2011 - Mendes)

If it wasnt for injuries, they would all fight more. The only person who is allowed to sit on his belt is Silva. You notice that NO other champion says or has his people say "We dont think this guy is ready." Jones has fought everyone put in front of him up to this point. Same with GSP. Same with Aldo. Only Silva pulls this stuff.

[Phobia]

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Most of those guys arent sitting on titles. You arent counting injuries. JDS was hurt after the Cain fight and is hurt now. GSP when healthy fights 3 times a year. Before the knee injury he was scheduled to fight 3 times a year (December 2010 - Koscheck, April 2010 - Shields and October 2010-Condit/Diaz). Aldo actually fought three times in 12 months (April 2011- Hominick, October 2011- Florian and January 2011 - Mendes)

If it wasnt for injuries, they would all fight more. The only person who is allowed to sit on his belt is Silva. You notice that NO other champion says or has his people say "We dont think this guy is ready." Jones has fought everyone put in front of him up to this point. Same with GSP. Same with Aldo. Only Silva pulls this stuff.

Oh I agree Aholbert I over looked the injuries on purpose. Reason being is there is other intangibles that could of changed in them fighting for other reasons. So just going by raw numbers the average tends to be about 2 fights a year for a belt holder.

I don't think everyone "ducks"/"dodges" fights so much, but I do believe there is more behind the scenes discussions between Joe and Dana that prevent these guys from fighting more. Its pretty obvious that there is some big fights fans have wanted to see for years yet they continue to fall by the wayside.

I will use the Machida vs Silva as a example, these kind of situations should not even be a factor. Training partners or friends it does not matter. You are in a sport to fight the best whether you are cool on the outside or not. these kind of factors CAN'T determine if two fighters will face one another.

The UFC needs to take a more active role to prevent the "Money Mayweather" stigma that crept up on boxing. These fighters should fight who is the next best in line regardless of outside influences.

Now I do agree with you it is far more a grey area than a black and white topic of fight more regardless. Injuries do occur and striping titles would become a touchy situation. The general theme though should be you face next best opponent who ever that is deemed to be, no questions asked. You want to compete in the pros and make those big money checks then you should fight next in line.

[aholbert32]

Re: Nick Diaz ends retirement and wants to fight Anderson Silva

Oh I agree Aholbert I over looked the injuries on purpose. Reason being is there is other intangibles that could of changed in them fighting for other reasons. So just going by raw numbers the average tends to be about 2 fights a year for a belt holder.

I don't think everyone "ducks"/"dodges" fights so much, but I do believe there is more behind the scenes discussions between Joe and Dana that prevent these guys from fighting more. Its pretty obvious that there is some big fights fans have wanted to see for years yet they continue to fall by the wayside.

I will use the Machida vs Silva as a example, these kind of situations should not even be a factor. Training partners or friends it does not matter. You are in a sport to fight the best whether you are cool on the outside or not. these kind of factors CAN'T determine if two fighters will face one another.

The UFC needs to take a more active role to prevent the "Money Mayweather" stigma that crept up on boxing. These fighters should fight who is the next best in line regardless of outside influences.

Now I do agree with you it is far more a grey area than a black and white topic of fight more regardless. Injuries do occur and striping titles would become a touchy situation. The general theme though should be you face next best opponent who ever that is deemed to be, no questions asked. You want to compete in the pros and make those big money checks then you should fight next in line.

I dont agree with that AT ALL. There arent other intangibles. Its pretty much been injuries. There are 16 PPV cards a year and 4 Fox fights a year. You think the UFC wants to headline cards with Benevidez v. Johnson, Rua v. Vera and Faber v. Barao? If GSP was healthy, he wouldve headlined the Calgary card. The want JDS/Cain for 152 but JDS is injured again. They want title fights to headline PPVs because those generate revenue. The UFc isnt purposely holding any title holder back because that doesnt make financial sense.

Also I dont know what big fights havent happened except for these three:

Fedor v. Lesnar - Fedor's demands were ridiculous.

GSP v. Silva - GSP doesnt want to move up to MW unless its permanent and after the Shields fight (when a Superfight made sense) fans told Dana that they would rather see Diaz v. GSP than Silva v. GSP.

Silva v. Jones- Both are "friends" and right now refuse to fight each other.

Machida v. Silva never made sense not only because they were training partners and friends but because you dont force "superfights" when there are other legitimate contenders. Machida had Rua and Rampage as legit contenders when he was champ so they made those fights first. Also they didnt have to fight each other. Silva was happy at MW and Machida was happy at LHW.

There is no way that the Mayweather effect will take place in the UFC. Why? Because Pac and Mayweather are in the same division and the UFC wouldnt allow them not to face off. All of the "superfights" are usually with people outside of a division.

This is how it works in the UFC. Take Fitch and Koscheck. They said for years that they wouldnt fight each other because they were friends. Did Dana let them consistently knock off other contenders while they refused to fight each other? No. Fitch earned a shot at GSP, lost and then fought mid level fighters while Koscheck worked his way into a title shot. He didnt allow the division to get stagnant because two people refused to fight.

If Koscheck wouldve won the belt, Fitch had 3 choices: Fight Koscheck, move up to MW or dont fight until Kos loses the belt. Rashad Evans was faced with the same choice against Jones. He was going to move down to MW until Jones said he would fight him.

Under Zuffa control, the UFC will never become boxing. You wont see multiple belts and for the most part, the best fighters fight each other.

[Phobia]

Re: Nick Diaz ends retirement and wants to fight Anderson Silva

I dont agree with that AT ALL. There arent other intangibles. Its pretty much been injuries. There are 16 PPV cards a year and 4 Fox fights a year. You think the UFC wants to headline cards with Benevidez v. Johnson, Rua v. Vera and Faber v. Barao? If GSP was healthy, he wouldve headlined the Calgary card. The want JDS/Cain for 152 but JDS is injured again. They want title fights to headline PPVs because those generate revenue. The UFc isnt purposely holding any title holder back because that doesnt make financial sense.

Also I dont know what big fights havent happened except for these three:

Fedor v. Lesnar - Fedor's demands were ridiculous.

GSP v. Silva - GSP doesnt want to move up to MW unless its permanent and after the Shields fight (when a Superfight made sense) fans told Dana that they would rather see Diaz v. GSP than Silva v. GSP.

Silva v. Jones- Both are "friends" and right now refuse to fight each other.

Machida v. Silva never made sense not only because they were training partners and friends but because you dont force "superfights" when there are other legitimate contenders. Machida had Rua and Rampage as legit contenders when he was champ so they made those fights first. Also they didnt have to fight each other. Silva was happy at MW and Machida was happy at LHW.

There is no way that the Mayweather effect will take place in the UFC. Why? Because Pac and Mayweather are in the same division and the UFC wouldnt allow them not to face off. All of the "superfights" are usually with people outside of a division.

This is how it works in the UFC. Take Fitch and Koscheck. They said for years that they wouldnt fight each other because they were friends. Did Dana let them consistently knock off other contenders while they refused to fight each other? No. Fitch earned a shot at GSP, lost and then fought mid level fighters while Koscheck worked his way into a title shot. He didnt allow the division to get stagnant because two people refused to fight.

If Koscheck wouldve won the belt, Fitch had 3 choices: Fight Koscheck, move up to MW or dont fight until Kos loses the belt. Rashad Evans was faced with the same choice against Jones. He was going to move down to MW until Jones said he would fight him.

Under Zuffa control, the UFC will never become boxing. You wont see multiple belts and for the most part, the best fighters fight each other.

Doping was one intangible I was referring to. There has been a plenty of fighters (Overeem, Silva, Sonnen) caught doping and I don't put it past any fighter getting caught whether that is GSP going down to big country lol.

I am also not referring to just "big" fights. I am saying in general the belt holders should be defending their belts more than it has been. Don't get me wrong I love seeing mid-level fights, but title bouts bring in extra excitement and stirs everything up.

In 2011 there was 26 cards, from UFC 125 to UFC 141 then the UFC Live fights, etc. There was 14 title matches from those cards, 2 Heavy, 3 Light heavy, 2 Middle, 1 welter, 2 Light, 2 Feather, and 2 Bantam.

As you can see this is a average of 2 fights a year. I don't believe this is just a "injury" reason for there only being this much. I think more cards should be like UFC 136 where you have two title matches on the card.

I might be in the minority but I don't like watching and waiting on when we will see GSP, Silva, Aldo, Junior, etc fight their next fight. I am not saying they should be on every card, but more than two times in a year in my opinion.

Now as far as UFC becoming Boxing. Sure I agree the likely hood of it following the same mistakes are slim, but I also believe anything is possible. When the fighters can start to dictate who and when they will fight, then everything is down hill from there. We have seen small inclinations of this pop up here and there, this should be nipped in the bud immediately in my opinion.

[aholbert32]

Re: Nick Diaz ends retirement and wants to fight Anderson Silva

Doping was one intangible I was referring to. There has been a plenty of fighters (Overeem, Silva, Sonnen) caught doping and I don't put it past any fighter getting caught whether that is GSP going down to big country lol.

I am also not referring to just "big" fights. I am saying in general the belt holders should be defending their belts more than it has been. Don't get me wrong I love seeing mid-level fights, but title bouts bring in extra excitement and stirs everything up.

In 2011 there was 26 cards, from UFC 125 to UFC 141 then the UFC Live fights, etc. There was 14 title matches from those cards, 2 Heavy, 3 Light heavy, 2 Middle, 1, welter, 2 Light, 2 Feather, and 2 Bantam.

As you can see this is a average of 2 fights a year. I don't believe this is just a "injury" reason for there only being this much. I think more cards should be like UFC 136 where you have two title matches on the card.

I might be in the minority but I don't like watching and waiting on when we will see GSP, Silva, Aldo, Junior, etc fight their next fight. I am not saying they should be on every card, but more than two times in a year in my opinion.

Doping is WAY overrated though. Who was surprised by Overeem? If you are talking about Bigfoot Silva...what was that? 7 years ago? The Sonnen issue wasnt a doping issue as much as it was a failure to report the treatment but I'll give you that one. Look at the big picture though. The UFC employs almost 300 fighters. 4 of them (Diaz, Leben, Overeem, Sonnen) have been suspended for drug related offenses. Thats a little over 1 percent. Thats not a problem. If you add in Strikeforce, you add 100 more fighters and only 2 more suspensions (Cyborg, Marquardt).

I know its popular to talk about Steroids and MMA but I find it hard to consider it a problem when it only affects 1-2 percent of the fighters.

Phobia, I broke it down for you in an earlier post. When healthy, these title holders fight 3 times a year.

[Phobia]

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Doping is WAY overrated though. Who was surprised by Overeem? If you are talking about Bigfoot Silva...what was that? 7 years ago? The Sonnen issue wasnt a doping issue as much as it was a failure to report the treatment but I'll give you that one. Look at the big picture though. The UFC employs almost 300 fighters. 4 of them (Diaz, Leben, Overeem, Sonnen) have been suspended for drug related offenses. Thats a little over 1 percent. Thats not a problem. If you add in Strikeforce, you add 100 more fighters and only 2 more suspensions (Cyborg, Marquardt).

I know its popular to talk about Steroids and MMA but I find it hard to consider it a problem when it only affects 1-2 percent of the fighters.

Phobia, I broke it down for you in an earlier post. When healthy, these title holders fight 3 times a year.

I was referring to Thiago, but yea I get your point that it is not a "huge" issue. I think though there is a much greater amount using some type of enhancement they just have plenty of time to remove any traces before their fights. That is a completely different topic though (Which again I might be in minority but I believe doping should be allowed).

Now as far as them fighting every 4 months (3 fights a year), I am hoping you are correct. I would be happy with 3 per year. I think anyone above mid tier should fight no less than 3 fights a year, minus injuries of course.

[Sandman42]

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The other reason the big time superfights like GSP/Silva or Jones/Silva won't happen is because it will probably hurt the UFC in the long run. Sure they'll get a million+ buys for that PPV, but then the loser of that fight would likely lose some luster as being one of the best in the sport.

I know it wouldn't matter for hardcore fans, but what about the casual fan who would watch SIlva beat GSP. GSP's subsequent fights would then likely lose some buys probably if the casual fan sees that he lost to Silva.

That's only if its a superfight mind you. If GSP were to move up the MW or Silva to 205 then those fights would be better bets for the UFC.

[SidVish]

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Here's Silva's manager talking with Ariel about what's possibly next for Anderson. It doesn't sound too promising.

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[p_rushing]

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Here's Silva's manager talking with Ariel about what's possibly next for Anderson. It doesn't sound too promising.

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Silva continues to try and duck Chris Weidman. He said he was a good enough fighter to earn a title shot, but he isn't ready to fight Silva. Come on, just admit Silva is scared of him. He has takedown skills similar to Sonnen, but he won't lay there like Sonnen does once he gets you down.

[TheShizNo1]

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Silva continues to try and duck Chris Weidman. He said he was a good enough fighter to earn a title shot, but he isn't ready to fight Silva. Come on, just admit Silva is scared of him. He has takedown skills similar to Sonnen, but he won't lay there like Sonnen does once he gets you down.

I don't remember Sonnen just laying there at all. If you're talking about the 2nd fight, it looks like Silva , instead of trying to catch him in a submission, just didn't let him posture up.

[jeremym480]

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I say, **** it. Let 'em fight. That'd me about the only way you'd catch me rooting for Anderson Silva. Well, one second thought, I'd like to see him knock Bisping around too.

[p_rushing]

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I don't remember Sonnen just laying there at all. If you're talking about the 2nd fight, it looks like Silva , instead of trying to catch him in a submission, just didn't let him posture up.

Sorry, meant that he didn't do a lot of damage. Weidman has power and a submission game, if he gets Silva down, he could easily end it. Sonnen really didn't have the ability to end it.

[redsrule]

Re: Nick Diaz ends retirement and wants to fight Anderson Silva

Sorry, meant that he didn't do a lot of damage. Weidman has power and a submission game, if he gets Silva down, he could easily end it. Sonnen really didn't have the ability to end it.

The submission game is a wash, ground and pound is a different story though.

[MattyEdgeworth]

Re: Nick Diaz ends retirement and wants to fight Anderson Silva

This would be a joke of a fight, Nick Diaz has literally zero chance if this ever were too take place. No wonder, Team Silva was interested haha

[ex carrabba fan]

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Damn, Diego Sanchez basically just called out Carlos Condit on Ariel's show, criticized him for his fight agaist Nick Diaz.

Wow.

Said that's not how the sport should be built, around running around and winning off points.

Basically just ****ted on his coaches at the Jackson's. LOL

Edit: Well he finished by saying don't blame Greg or Winklejohn. He said look at guys like himself and Jones, guys who fight "like warriors". LOL wow I think he just inadvertently stepped all over Condit's toes.