Chuck Liddell "I would have walked through Jones"

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  • blackceasar
    MVP
    • Sep 2003
    • 3228

    #1

    Chuck Liddell "I would have walked through Jones"

    ..and KO'd him.



    So Chuck says in his prime he would have walked through Jon Jones and knocked him out. I mean I like Chuck and all but I don't think a Chuck Liddell in his prime would have finished 5 rounds with Jones. While I don't think Jone's would have knocked him out... Chuck would have been cut up pretty bad with elbows and probably submitted. I'm tired of dudes with their "ifa coulda woulda shoulda" scencarios. Chuck, it's not your time anymore.. it's passed. There's a new champ, and honestly the UFC has evolved. Its easy to say what you WOULD have done in a scenario that's never going to happen. Sure Jones doesnt swing like a wild man and knock people out on wild punches that happen to connect.. but what Jones DOES do is pick someone apart, break them down, then through skill get a win. I'm not taking anything away from Chuck but he really needs to NOT try to inject himself into a conversation like that.

    First of all, a lot of the dudes that have beat Lidell, Jones was the actual one walking through. He beat Shogun and made it look easy. Dude has chocked people out while standing up. He's got enough talent to go with his 6-4 frame and god like reach to give Chuck major problems.

    I just find it sad for a former champion who's past his time to make statements like this. It does nothing for the sport. Okay so let's say he and Jone's fight sometime down the line. If Chuck wins all credit goes to Chuck.. if Jones wins.. it becomes the story of "the young lion beat a man past his prime who shouldnt have been in the ring in the first place".

    If you go back and look at some of Chucks last fights he won, it was him landing a wild punch and then just swarming the person to get the stoppage.

    Furthermore...how long did Chuck have the title? How many successful title defenses? And one could argue he beat a Randy Cotoure who probably should have already been retired from the sport while chuck was in HIS prime. You can't say Jones hasn't fought anyone... from dominating Bader to get a title shot against Shogun and making that fight look easy, all he's fought since then have been top notch talent, and future UFC hall of famers. Other than the Gustaven fight, there's not one single win on his record where he didn't clearly dominate the other person.

    Chuck, just stop. Please.
    Last edited by blackceasar; 04-28-2014, 04:24 PM.
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  • Pappy Knuckles
    LORDTHUNDERBIRD
    • Sep 2004
    • 15966

    #2
    Re: Chuck Liddell "I would have walked through Jones"

    Chuck is my boy, but he would've got beat down like Rampage did him in Pride.

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    • fballturkey
      MVP
      • Jul 2011
      • 2370

      #3
      Re: Chuck Liddell "I would have walked through Jones"

      I mean, if they fought 10 times Liddell would probably steal one or two KOs, which is better than just about anyone else (Swedes excluded) can say, but walked through him? No.
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      • Gotmadskillzson
        Live your life
        • Apr 2008
        • 23428

        #4
        Re: Chuck Liddell "I would have walked through Jones"

        Let us not down play Chuck Liddell's career:

        4 title defenses
        10 KOs - the most in light heavyweight UFC history, 2nd most KOs in UFC in ANY division

        vs

        Jon Jones
        7 title defenses
        0 KO Victories

        So in his prime, Chuck probably could have KO'ed Jones.

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        • Maverick32093209
          Banned
          • Apr 2013
          • 247

          #5
          Re: Chuck Liddell "I would have walked through Jones"

          1. Chuck has been asked that question to death and he responds to it. He has also said that EVERY fighter should believe in himself. Just in the same way that Franklin recently said if he fought Jones or Silva he thinks he would win. Lets face it these dude made a living at betting on themselves and consistently came up on the winning end.


          2. Its all conjecture...we can say whatever opinion you want because the fight will never happen. Prime Jones vs Prime Liddel


          3. Maybe there is some merit to it. Prime Chuck use to use kicks and punches and had a chin. Jones has NO KO power. Chuck NEVER fought someone like Jones. But Jones never fought a rangy striker with KO power with kicks and punches. Plus Chuck was great at creating range and stalking. playing on the outside and slowly closing the distance before teeing off. The only person who Jones faced who has a skill set like that is....Alex Gustafson....Alex has more reach, but Chuck has waaay more power. CHuck is essentially a lethal combination of the two guys who performed best against him. P.S. I think Chuck is overrated. HOWEVER...I think match up wise he probably Jones' toughest matchup so far.


          I think Chuck would lose NOW...not because of the reason he retired (weak chin) Jones does not hit hard enough for him to worry. However, his lack of speed and the lack of kicks being used towards the end of his career

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          • The JareBear
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            • Jul 2010
            • 11560

            #6
            Re: Chuck Liddell "I would have walked through Jones"

            Of course Chuck says that. Just like Dan Henderson never gives anyone credit for rocking him when, clearly, he has been rocked numerous times. I always respect fighters who answer the obligatory post-fight press conference "How bad were you hurt there" ******* question honestly. So few actually do.

            This is just how fighters talk. I think Chuck is crazy. Jones is a different type of beast than anyone Chuck ever fought.
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            • blackceasar
              MVP
              • Sep 2003
              • 3228

              #7
              Re: Chuck Liddell "I would have walked through Jones"

              Originally posted by Gotmadskillzson
              Let us not down play Chuck Liddell's career:

              4 title defenses
              10 KOs - the most in light heavyweight UFC history, 2nd most KOs in UFC in ANY division

              vs

              Jon Jones
              7 title defenses
              0 KO Victories

              So in his prime, Chuck probably could have KO'ed Jones.
              Just because Jones has no KO victories has no bearing on Chuck knocking Jones out lol. That conclusion is laughable. You are forgetting that Jones is nothing like those other fighters Chuck KO'ed.. could you imagine the problems Jones size and reach and unorthodoxed style would have made for Chuck? There have already been some heavy handed dudes fight Jones, and they all lost, most didnt just loose, they got BEAT, convincingly. To KO someone, you have to get to him. Glover is a much bigger man than Lidelle and he maybe touched Jones a few times. I'm sorry just because he's got KO victories doesnt really mean anything here. I think Lidell would have the same problem with Gustaveson as well.

              And while KO's are sexy, there's something to be said about being able to choke people out almost at will and to be honest submissions and choke out's to me are more impressive. Anyone with some power can rock someone with a shot snuk in or a wild lukcy shot. Look at Rashad when he beat Lidell for the title.. when they showed that KO in slow motion, Rashad wasnt even looking at Chuck and Chuck wasn't even looking at Rashad.. each of their hands were heading for the other's chin and Rashads got there like .001 seconds sooner.. POW.. a new LHW champ. When's the last time you've seen someone get a win off of a "lucky" submission. If Jones closed in on Chuck on against the cage and took Chuck's best shot.. it would pretty much be over for Chuck, dude might get choked out standing up like some other fighters. And again, KO or no KO, Jones has pretty much walked through fighters with the same legendary status in that division as Chuck has had, from Pride all the way to the UFC... He beat Shogun and make it look easy. He clowned Rampage... Choked Machida standing up.. Choked Rampage.. Bader.. and the list goes on. Go and find me a "lucky" submission in any of his title defenses.

              Speaking of title defenses.. so Chuck had 4.. Jones has almost lapped him twice and you could argue his title defenses were more impressive. Chuck needs to just stay in the stands and watch. I love the dude but when you know good and well there's never going to be a fight between you and Jones, Chuck needs to just zip it. Like I said before.. even if they fought what does Jones get out of it? if he wins it will be the "Well he beat and old Chuck".
              Last edited by blackceasar; 04-29-2014, 02:57 AM.
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              • Thrash13
                MVP
                • May 2005
                • 1133

                #8
                Re: Chuck Liddell "I would have walked through Jones"

                It's simply one of those sports arguments that has no real answer because it's impossible for it to happen. The UFC is much much deeper than it was when Chuck Liddell was wrecking shop, and some of the fighters who got title shots probably wouldn't even come close to being a #1 Contender nowadays. That being said, Chuck was a bad man during his prime. He certainly wouldn't walk right through Jones and knock him out, but I bet it would be a damn good fight. Chuck never had to use his world-class wrestling, so we never even saw all of his tools. And Jon Jones still pulls new tools out of the bag.

                I'd lean 60/40 towards Jon Jones, but like I said, it really doesn't matter what any of us think about it. It's definitely intriguing to think about though.

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                • aholbert32
                  (aka Alberto)
                  • Jul 2002
                  • 33106

                  #9
                  Re: Chuck Liddell "I would have walked through Jones"

                  Originally posted by Gotmadskillzson
                  Let us not down play Chuck Liddell's career:

                  4 title defenses
                  10 KOs - the most in light heavyweight UFC history, 2nd most KOs in UFC in ANY division

                  vs

                  Jon Jones
                  7 title defenses
                  0 KO Victories

                  So in his prime, Chuck probably could have KO'ed Jones.
                  Huh? He KO'd Rua and Sonnen. He also KO'd Vera and Matshysenko before he won the belt.

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                  • Gotmadskillzson
                    Live your life
                    • Apr 2008
                    • 23428

                    #10
                    Re: Chuck Liddell "I would have walked through Jones"

                    Those were TKOs. To date, Jones hasn't KO'ed anybody.

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                    • aholbert32
                      (aka Alberto)
                      • Jul 2002
                      • 33106

                      #11
                      Re: Chuck Liddell "I would have walked through Jones"

                      Originally posted by Gotmadskillzson
                      Those were TKOs. To date, Jones hasn't KO'ed anybody.
                      Couple of issues with your stats. Chuck only has 5 UFC KO's (Couture 2, White, Ortiz, Randleman). The rest were TKOs. Also, the Ortiz "KO" is clearly a TKO. Liddell dropped him and John jumps in to call the fight. If thats a KO, than the Rua and Sonnen stoppages are KOs.

                      Finally, I've never heard of someone differentiating between KO's and TKO's. They are generally seen as the same when people are discussing someone's finishing ability.

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                      • Gotmadskillzson
                        Live your life
                        • Apr 2008
                        • 23428

                        #12
                        Re: Chuck Liddell "I would have walked through Jones"

                        Originally posted by aholbert32
                        Couple of issues with your stats. Chuck only has 5 UFC KO's (Couture 2, White, Ortiz, Randleman). The rest were TKOs. Also, the Ortiz "KO" is clearly a TKO. Liddell dropped him and John jumps in to call the fight. If thats a KO, than the Rua and Sonnen stoppages are KOs.

                        Finally, I've never heard of someone differentiating between KO's and TKO's. They are generally seen as the same when people are discussing someone's finishing ability.
                        Fair enough......

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                        • Phobia
                          Hall Of Fame
                          • Jan 2008
                          • 11623

                          #13
                          Re: Chuck Liddell "I would have walked through Jones"

                          I don't care either way, but I wish I could of seen Chuck prime vs Bones prime!!!!!!!!!!!!

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