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  • aholbert32
    (aka Alberto)
    • Jul 2002
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    UFC 177 - Dillashaw v. Barao 2. - Aug 30

    Two belts on the line.

    T.J. Dillashaw vs. Renan Barao
    for bantamweight title

    Demetrious Johnson vs. Chris Cariaso
    for flyweight title

    Shayna Baszler vs. Bethe Correia
    Danny Castillo vs. Tony Ferguson
    Anthony Hamilton vs. Ruan Potts
    Carlos Diego Ferreira vs. Ramsey Nijem
    Derek Brunson vs. Lorenz Larkin
    Justin Edwards vs. Yancy Medeiros
  • ex carrabba fan
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    #2
    Re: UFC 177 - Dillashaw v. Barao 2 and Johnson v. Cariaso. - Aug 30

    Dodson out with an ACL, they had limited options for Johnson.

    Looks like a rough card

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    • Pappy Knuckles
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      • Sep 2004
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      Re: UFC 177 - Dillashaw v. Barao 2 and Johnson v. Cariaso. - Aug 30

      Chis Cariaso in a co-main event? Sounds legit. Ex is right though, there wasn't much to choose from there. I guess they just did what they had to do.

      I'll be interested to see if Dillashaw can give us a repeat performance against Barao. The problem for the UFC is that the first fight was so decisive that I can't see a ton of people paying to see it again. This show is going to do horrible numbers.

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      • The JareBear
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        Re: UFC 177 - Dillashaw v. Barao 2 and Johnson v. Cariaso. - Aug 30

        I don't think it will be UFC 174 bad, but definitely not a great PPV seller. Think a lot of casuals probably know very little about anyone outside of the two title fights.

        I have wanted to see the Castillo/Ferguson fight for awhile.

        My question is this:

        If Barao wins, is there an automatic trilogy considering how one sides the first fight was?
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        • aholbert32
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          Re: UFC 177 - Dillashaw v. Barao 2 and Johnson v. Cariaso. - Aug 30

          Originally posted by The JareBear
          I don't think it will be UFC 174 bad, but definitely not a great PPV seller. Think a lot of casuals probably know very little about anyone outside of the two title fights.

          I have wanted to see the Castillo/Ferguson fight for awhile.

          My question is this:

          If Barao wins, is there an automatic trilogy considering how one sides the first fight was?
          Thats reason #1 why Dana screwed up while making this fight. No matter how this ends if Dillashaw loses it would be completely unfair to him if they dont give him an immediate rematch. That pretty much blows the whole rivalry in under a year.

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          • aholbert32
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            Re: UFC 177 - Dillashaw v. Barao 2 and Johnson v. Cariaso. - Aug 30

            Originally posted by Pappy Knuckles
            Chis Cariaso in a co-main event? Sounds legit. Ex is right though, there wasn't much to choose from there. I guess they just did what they had to do.

            I'll be interested to see if Dillashaw can give us a repeat performance against Barao. The problem for the UFC is that the first fight was so decisive that I can't see a ton of people paying to see it again. This show is going to do horrible numbers.
            Cant do much worse than Johnson/Baugatinov and thats all the UFC is trying to avoid. They are just trying to make it to September. Jones in Sept. Aldo/Mendes in Oct., Cain in Nov. Rousey/Weidman or Hendricks in Dec. August is just going to be brutal for them.

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            • jeremym480
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              Re: UFC 177 - Dillashaw v. Barao 2 and Johnson v. Cariaso. - Aug 30

              The UFC really needs to forget about over saturating the market with all of the these cards. It's suck that most of the fights that would be great for a PPV main card or even a co-main event are now on Fight Pass. Having 3-4+ cards a month is really hurting their product. I wish they would just have 1 PPV and 1 free card a month. Quality not quantity...
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              • aholbert32
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                Re: UFC 177 - Dillashaw v. Barao 2 and Johnson v. Cariaso. - Aug 30

                Originally posted by jeremym480
                The UFC really needs to forget about over saturating the market with all of the these cards. It's suck that most of the fights that would be great for a PPV main card or even a co-main event are now on Fight Pass. Having 3-4+ cards a month is really hurting their product. I wish they would just have 1 PPV and 1 free card a month. Quality not quantity...
                Thats a small picture outlook. The UFC is trying to become a global power. You dont do that by running cards once every two years in certain areas. You dont do that by running cards at 9 am or 2 am so that the US networks can show the fight live. One of the reasons Brazil is one of their top areas is because they constantly run events there. There were regions like the UK and Germany that were going 18 mos or more between cards.

                Lets run with your example: We can only use Fight Pass cards because they are contractually obligated to put on the Fox cards. So lets take August. There is one fight pass card in August (Bisping v. Le in China).

                So lets cancel that card put Bisping/Le and Woodley/Kim on 177. Does that make you buy 177? I dont think those two fights move the meter enough to justify canceling the China card (which is tied to a China TV deal and is likely to be a sell out).

                The "oversaturation" just isnt that big of an issue in my eyes. The big issue continues to be injuries. Hendricks/Cain/Pettis/Aldo are still on the shelf. Weidman fights like twice a year because of injuries. Silva and GSP may have taken a 2014 fight if it wasnt for injuries.

                The best Fight Pass main event so far has either been Gus/Manawa or Nelson/Nog and neither one of them is a headliner. ****, both are probably a low tier co-main event on most PPV cards.

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                • jeremym480
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                  Re: UFC 177 - Dillashaw v. Barao 2 and Johnson v. Cariaso. - Aug 30

                  I don't really have too much of a problem with the Main Events, but most of the Main Cards recently have left a lot to be desired. Dana is basically doing what he used to dog boxing for... Which is have a good main event, but the rest of the card is a bunch of uninteresting matchups. We just had Russell Doane and Marcus Brimage open a PPV for Pete's sake.

                  So far in 2014 there has been 3 PPV with less than 250k buys. One of those UFC 174 was the lowest selling PPV in almost 10 years. Prior to this year 2012 was the year with the most PPV with less than 250k buys and there was only 4 for that entire year.

                  I understand trying to becoming a Global Power, but when the PPV buy rate continues trending downward, then my question is is it really worth it? I guess only time will tell.
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                  • aholbert32
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                    Re: UFC 177 - Dillashaw v. Barao 2 and Johnson v. Cariaso. - Aug 30

                    Originally posted by jeremym480
                    I don't really have too much of a problem with the Main Events, but most of the Main Cards recently have left a lot to be desired. Dana is basically doing what he used to dog boxing for... Which is have a good main event, but the rest of the card is a bunch of uninteresting matchups. We just had Russell Doane and Marcus Brimage open a PPV for Pete's sake.

                    So far in 2014 there has been 3 PPV with less than 250k buys. One of those UFC 174 was the lowest selling PPV in almost 10 years. Prior to this year 2012 was the year with the most PPV with less than 250k buys and there was only 4 for that entire year.

                    I understand trying to becoming a Global Power, but when the PPV buy rate continues trending downward, then my question is is it really worth it? I guess only time will tell.
                    I get your point but you are ignoring the injuries/suspensions. Brimage/Doane dont start the PPV if 1)Sonnen/Silva dont each get suspended and 2) Faber doesnt ask to headline the undercard.

                    My point is people arent buying the cards because of the main event not because the 4th or 5th match on the main card isnt great. Lets use 174 as an example: There was one FP card that month and it was Munoz/Mousasi. The second best fight on that card was Dollaway/Carmont. Now I know you arent trying to tell me that the buyrate would shoot up if we put those two fights on 174.

                    People buy main events. The 3 cards with under 250k were headlined by Renan Barao and Mighty Mouse Johnson. Those cards arent selling no matter who u put under them (unless its an AAA talent). Now if Cain/Pettis/Hendricks arent injured....one of those guys probably headlines those cards and the numbers are better.

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                    • jeremym480
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                      Re: UFC 177 - Dillashaw v. Barao 2 and Johnson v. Cariaso. - Aug 30

                      Originally posted by aholbert32
                      I get your point but you are ignoring the injuries/suspensions. Brimage/Doane dont start the PPV if 1)Sonnen/Silva dont each get suspended and 2) Faber doesnt ask to headline the undercard.

                      My point is people arent buying the cards because of the main event not because the 4th or 5th match on the main card isnt great. Lets use 174 as an example: There was one FP card that month and it was Munoz/Mousasi. The second best fight on that card was Dollaway/Carmont. Now I know you arent trying to tell me that the buyrate would shoot up if we put those two fights on 174.

                      People buy main events. The 3 cards with under 250k were headlined by Renan Barao and Mighty Mouse Johnson. Those cards arent selling no matter who u put under them (unless its an AAA talent). Now if Cain/Pettis/Hendricks arent injured....one of those guys probably headlines those cards and the numbers are better.
                      There's been four cards per month every month since May. There's five cards in July and there were five cards scheduled in August until 176 got canceled.

                      I get that they need to spread the events around and stuff but I'm not sure if watering down cards is the answer. I also get that there are injuries/suspensions and that has an effect on these cards as well. My solution to all of these injuries though wouldn't be to keep pumping out more events.

                      I know that Fight Pass isn't going away anytime soon, but if those fights were on FS1 and some of the FS1 fights were moved to PPV's then that could help their sales. If 174 had a Co-Main Event like (for example) Miocic vs. Dos Santos (before Dos Santos got injured), then I do think that would help the PPV's numbers. I know that there aren't as many big names as there were a couple of years ago, but if you have Women, Flyweights, Bantamweights or even Featherweights fighting for the title in the Main Event, then you have to stack the rest of the card the best you can. Maybe it wouldn't move the needle with sales, but until the do that it's hard to say for certain.
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                      • aholbert32
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                        Re: UFC 177 - Dillashaw v. Barao 2 and Johnson v. Cariaso. - Aug 30

                        Originally posted by jeremym480
                        There's been four cards per month every month since May. There's five cards in July and there were five cards scheduled in August until 176 got canceled.

                        I get that they need to spread the events around and stuff but I'm not sure if watering down cards is the answer. I also get that there are injuries/suspensions and that has an effect on these cards as well. My solution to all of these injuries though wouldn't be to keep pumping out more events.

                        I know that Fight Pass isn't going away anytime soon, but if those fights were on FS1 and some of the FS1 fights were moved to PPV's then that could help their sales. If 174 had a Co-Main Event like (for example) Miocic vs. Dos Santos (before Dos Santos got injured), then I do think that would help the PPV's numbers. I know that there aren't as many big names as there were a couple of years ago, but if you have Women, Flyweights, Bantamweights or even Featherweights fighting for the title in the Main Event, then you have to stack the rest of the card the best you can. Maybe it wouldn't move the needle with sales, but until the do that it's hard to say for certain.
                        The problem is you are blaming Fight Pass and thats not the reason for "oversaturation". The Fox cards are the reason. Take this month. There are 5 UFC cards in July. One PPV. 3 Fox cards. One FP card. The problem is the UFC is contractually obligated to put on the Fox cards. They have to put on a certain number of events each year on FS1 and Fox.

                        Also, lets not blame FP for top heavy cards because its been happening for a while now. I went to Jones/Evans in Atlanta and the co-main event was Rory McDonald v. Che Mills. That was over 2 years ago.

                        Other than canceling Fight Pass I dont know what else the UFC can do. You have a choice either put only completely ****ty cards in new regions (which will not draw crowds and piss off their international television partners) or do what they have been doing and pulling one or two good fights from PPVs and making them headline the FP shows.

                        One last thing: You have to put on all of these cards to protect yourself against injuries. You need a big roster in order to be able to substitute fighters who become injured. In order to keep a big roster, you have to have fights. Contracts expire if fighters arent being offered fights.

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                        • jeremym480
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                          Re: UFC 177 - Dillashaw v. Barao 2 and Johnson v. Cariaso. - Aug 30

                          Here's an article from three weeks ago that I found that supports what you're saying, but it also describes what I'm going through



                          Second from last paragraph:

                          The guy who buys every single pay-per-view has a complaint, because he's the only person the high number of shows really impacts.
                          That's me. I buy every PPV. I don't watch them on a shady website or go out to bars or anything. I pay for them. So just for my own selfish reasons and nothing else, I would like to see better PPV's
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                          • aholbert32
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                            Re: UFC 177 - Dillashaw v. Barao 2 and Johnson v. Cariaso. - Aug 30

                            Originally posted by jeremym480
                            Here's an article from three weeks ago that I found that supports what you're saying, but it also describes what I'm going through



                            Second from last paragraph:



                            That's me. I buy every PPV. I don't watch them on a shady website or go out to bars or anything. I pay for them. So just for my own selfish reasons and nothing else, I would like to see better PPV's
                            LOL. Jeremy, you need to get shady like me. I've paid for 2 PPVs this year (attended the Jones one and paid for Weidman). I watched the Rousey one at a bar and the rest I've watched through other means. I really dont feel bad about it. I give the UFC a ton of money each year.

                            $120 for fight pass. 2-300 more for Jones/Gus 2 tickets and I'm probably going to buy 177, Aldo/Mendes 2, Cain/Werdum and Pettis/Melendez.

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                            • p_rushing
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                              Re: UFC 177 - Dillashaw v. Barao 2 and Johnson v. Cariaso. - Aug 30

                              Originally posted by aholbert32
                              Two belts on the line.

                              T.J. Dillashaw vs. Renan Barao
                              for bantamweight title

                              Demetrious Johnson vs. Chris Cariaso
                              for flyweight title

                              Shayna Baszler vs. Bethe Correia
                              Danny Castillo vs. Tony Ferguson
                              Anthony Hamilton vs. Ruan Potts
                              Carlos Diego Ferreira vs. Ramsey Nijem
                              Derek Brunson vs. Lorenz Larkin
                              Justin Edwards vs. Yancy Medeiros
                              How is this on the main card? I guess Ronda is forcing the UFC to give training partners fights. I know Baszler was one of the women to start WMMA, but she only has 1 win since 2010 and has some bad loses. No way she should be on the PPV, hopefully that is a FP fight.

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