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  • stoncold32
    MVP
    • Jul 2002
    • 3588

    #1

    Does Vince McMahon have some explaining to do?

    I mean this is rediculous. Not only the death of Eddie Gurerro, but wrestlers are STILL dying left and right. If it is steroid related or drug related I dont know. But I feel that since McMahon is the one who has seemingly had the most cases of this happen in the WWF/WWE, I think he should step up and do something. Of course he won't, but you can't expose these guys(many of them young) to all this money, drugs, steroids, and fast lifestyles, and expect them to be able to handle it.


    Sorry if this doesnt make much sense, but I'm really typing out of frustration right now.


    (mods please dont move this because I wanna know what the majority of even non-wrestling fans think about this as well)
  • garnettrules21
    MVP
    • Oct 2003
    • 2392

    #2
    Re: Does Vince McMahon have some explaining to do?

    Originally posted by stoncold32
    I mean this is rediculous. Not only the death of Eddie Gurerro, but wrestlers are STILL dying left and right. If it is steroid related or drug related I dont know. But I feel that since McMahon is the one who has seemingly had the most cases of this happen in the WWF/WWE, I think he should step up and do something. Of course he won't, but you can't expose these guys(many of them young) to all this money, drugs, steroids, and fast lifestyles, and expect them to be able to handle it.


    Sorry if this doesnt make much sense, but I'm really typing out of frustration right now.


    (mods please dont move this because I wanna know what the majority of even non-wrestling fans think about this as well)
    wow i had no idea eddie gurerro died , what happened?

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    • SEGA_LOYAL_FAN
      Pr*
      • Aug 2003
      • 1057

      #3
      Re: Does Vince McMahon have some explaining to do?

      You know i believe that McMahon and his company has some responsibility over the medical/mental health of their workers. At the same time these people are grown adults that probably already came into the business with these problems. As I've read over the years with a lot of the stars that have had some form of addiction McMahon has tried to help them out some way or another. I do see your frustration though. At this point i think that McMahon should have 24/7 supervision of the activities and the mind set of his workers. Therapy sessions, weekly gatherings, etc. to have some of these guys talk about their issues on and off the ring and the spot light. Just like A-Rod mentioned about his therapy sessions. I agree with him that most people don't realize it but some 1 on 1 with a therapist would help them in ways they don't even know.
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      • Yosemite Dan

        #4
        Re: Does Vince McMahon have some explaining to do?

        Steroids is by far the biggest problem in the WWE and McMahon is to blame. He won't push a guy unless they get huge and sadly Guerrero was a victim. He has gotten much bigger since joining the WWE. Remember he was a cruiserweight back in WCW. Monthly testing should be done and if you're caught then an immediate suspension and the 2nd time you're out. Looking at these guys I would guess maybe 10% are not on the juice. The only stars I can think of right now at the top of my head who look to be clean are Michaels, Edge and maybe Orton. Maybe this was one of the reasons Christian left because he knew he wouldn't be pushed unless he roided up. Push wrestlers on thier ability not on whether they have 20' biceps.

        I wouldn't be suprised if McMahon gets sued one of these days for being negligent toward the welfare of his employees.

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        • SPTO
          binging
          • Feb 2003
          • 68046

          #5
          Re: Does Vince McMahon have some explaining to do?

          HOLY DOUBLE HOCKEY STICKS IT'S TRUE!!!!!

          Eddie Guerrero found dead


          Um I would make a comment on the topic but right now i'm just shocked. One of my fave wrestlers is gone
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          • GBrushTWood
            Banned
            • Mar 2003
            • 1624

            #6
            Re: Does Vince McMahon have some explaining to do?

            Originally posted by Yosemite Dan
            Steroids is by far the biggest problem in the WWE and McMahon is to blame. He won't push a guy unless they get huge and sadly Guerrero was a victim. He has gotten much bigger since joining the WWE. Remember he was a cruiserweight back in WCW. Monthly testing should be done and if you're caught then an immediate suspension and the 2nd time you're out. Looking at these guys I would guess maybe 10% are not on the juice. The only stars I can think of right now at the top of my head who look to be clean are Michaels, Edge and maybe Orton. Maybe this was one of the reasons Christian left because he knew he wouldn't be pushed unless he roided up. Push wrestlers on thier ability not on whether they have 20' biceps.

            I wouldn't be suprised if McMahon gets sued one of these days for being negligent toward the welfare of his employees.
            Some of your comments are a little bit irresponsible in naming names, and making accusations, though your overall point is somewhat sound. You don't know Christian left because they wanted him to 'roid up...

            There's too much money at stake for McMahon, and no checks at all to the power he wields. The wrestlers are, in my opinion, no better than industurial workers from the late 1800's, getting abused by the large industrial shop owners.

            I'm sure you'll see McMahon appear somber and remorseful about what happened to Guerrero, but I'm willing to bet he doesn't really give a damn in the long run. He'll just throw some other roid monkey into the picture and manage to drop a few more million in his back pocket. Ho-hum. Just another day for old Vince.

            The bottom line is that the wrestlers must unionize, but this will never, ever happen as they are likely too uneducated, or fear the risk of being blackballed by McMahon. It really is a shame as well, because these guys are dropping like flies, and nothing gets done about it. I guarantee you all that no pre-emptive solutions come from this Guerrero tragedy, just the usual hokey, bullcrap tributes and "I'm so surprised!" nonsense. You will all go through the same motions the next time a wrestler dies, as the cycle continues. Ho-hum.

            This is part of why I stopped watching WWF religiously a few years ago, among other reasons.

            *Edit*: To answer the question: Of course McMahon has some explaining to do, but there's no way in hell that he'll answer the real tough questions. He's a snake, so he'll do what snakes do and deflect the blame away from his organization (and ultimately his leadership), or even subtly blame the victim. Remember, one thing, and only one thing matters to McMahon, and that's his back pocket. Try to keep that in mind whenever you see the guy coyly twisting the truth around.
            Last edited by GBrushTWood; 11-13-2005, 05:58 PM.

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            • funky_chicken
              MVP
              • Jul 2002
              • 3282

              #7
              Re: Does Vince McMahon have some explaining to do?

              Originally posted by Yosemite Dan
              Steroids is by far the biggest problem in the WWE and McMahon is to blame. He won't push a guy unless they get huge and sadly Guerrero was a victim. He has gotten much bigger since joining the WWE. Remember he was a cruiserweight back in WCW. Monthly testing should be done and if you're caught then an immediate suspension and the 2nd time you're out. Looking at these guys I would guess maybe 10% are not on the juice. The only stars I can think of right now at the top of my head who look to be clean are Michaels, Edge and maybe Orton. Maybe this was one of the reasons Christian left because he knew he wouldn't be pushed unless he roided up. Push wrestlers on thier ability not on whether they have 20' biceps.

              I wouldn't be suprised if McMahon gets sued one of these days for being negligent toward the welfare of his employees.
              I agree with the people who mention except for Edge. Go back and look at him before he got hurt and then when he came back. He was a lot smaller before. I truly believe he has taken roids as well. Even Rey Mysterio was a lot smaller back in his WCW days. It is a shame that a wrestler's talent is not enough. They are told to bulk up and they know the fastest way to bulk up is with the use of steroids. McMahon is certainly to blame. He used to give steroids to his wrestlers back in the day. The only reason he got away with it was there were too many wrestlers who were loyal to Vince and would not testify against him. Vince himself has admitted to using steroids.

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              • SPTO
                binging
                • Feb 2003
                • 68046

                #8
                Re: Does Vince McMahon have some explaining to do?

                Here's the problem I have with McMahon. The guy clearly gets off on roided out wrestlers and hillbilly acts. (but that's another topic) Vince can say he cares about the health of his superstars til he's blue in the face but it doesn't matter with the culture that is fostered there. The only guy that isn't using roids on their roster is Ric Flair! The rest have probably dabbled in HGH and other substances.

                Vince needs to realize that wrestling is more about athleticism and not having freaks of nature roaming the rings. The steroid trials in the early 90s nearly sunk McMahon and that's the only reason why he went with guys like Shawn Michaels and Bret Hart. WWE wrestlers really need to form a union but it's never going to happen because none of the wrestlers have backbone to risk their careers for the common good.

                It really makes me sick when people say "they're grown men they can't be babied" etc etc. That's true but when the culture of the business has you taking steroids because it's the way to get up the ladder of success then they can't help but do it.

                The other thing is this, WWE for YEARS (I don't know if it's still the case these days) had the most grueling road schedule of any promotion. Of course guys are going to take painkillers and such to ease the pains of being on the road.

                One last thing, I believe WWE has a drug and substance abuse policy of some sort but it has ZERO credibility or teeth. Too bad congress didn't lump WWE with all the other sports when it comes to steroid testing because McMahon needs to realize that the size of his wrestlers and the road schedule is going to dramatically cut short the lives of his talent.
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                • EWRMETS
                  All Star
                  • Jul 2002
                  • 7491

                  #9
                  Re: Does Vince McMahon have some explaining to do?

                  Originally posted by SportsmanTO
                  Here's the problem I have with McMahon. The guy clearly gets off on roided out wrestlers and hillbilly acts. (but that's another topic) Vince can say he cares about the health of his superstars til he's blue in the face but it doesn't matter with the culture that is fostered there. The only guy that isn't using roids on their roster is Ric Flair! The rest have probably dabbled in HGH and other substances.

                  Vince needs to realize that wrestling is more about athleticism and not having freaks of nature roaming the rings. The steroid trials in the early 90s nearly sunk McMahon and that's the only reason why he went with guys like Shawn Michaels and Bret Hart. WWE wrestlers really need to form a union but it's never going to happen because none of the wrestlers have backbone to risk their careers for the common good.

                  It really makes me sick when people say "they're grown men they can't be babied" etc etc. That's true but when the culture of the business has you taking steroids because it's the way to get up the ladder of success then they can't help but do it.

                  The other thing is this, WWE for YEARS (I don't know if it's still the case these days) had the most grueling road schedule of any promotion. Of course guys are going to take painkillers and such to ease the pains of being on the road.

                  One last thing, I believe WWE has a drug and substance abuse policy of some sort but it has ZERO credibility or teeth. Too bad congress didn't lump WWE with all the other sports when it comes to steroid testing because McMahon needs to realize that the size of his wrestlers and the road schedule is going to dramatically cut short the lives of his talent.
                  The funny thing there is that Bret admitted to using steroids.

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                  • Brandwin
                    Hall Of Fame
                    • Jul 2002
                    • 30621

                    #10
                    Re: Does Vince McMahon have some explaining to do?

                    Blame McMahon? These guys dont have to wrestle, if they want to and take steriods its all on them if you ask me.

                    Strong men with weak minds.

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                    • funky_chicken
                      MVP
                      • Jul 2002
                      • 3282

                      #11
                      Re: Does Vince McMahon have some explaining to do?

                      Originally posted by SportsmanTO
                      Here's the problem I have with McMahon. The guy clearly gets off on roided out wrestlers and hillbilly acts. (but that's another topic) Vince can say he cares about the health of his superstars til he's blue in the face but it doesn't matter with the culture that is fostered there. The only guy that isn't using roids on their roster is Ric Flair! The rest have probably dabbled in HGH and other substances.

                      Vince needs to realize that wrestling is more about athleticism and not having freaks of nature roaming the rings. The steroid trials in the early 90s nearly sunk McMahon and that's the only reason why he went with guys like Shawn Michaels and Bret Hart. WWE wrestlers really need to form a union but it's never going to happen because none of the wrestlers have backbone to risk their careers for the common good.

                      It really makes me sick when people say "they're grown men they can't be babied" etc etc. That's true but when the culture of the business has you taking steroids because it's the way to get up the ladder of success then they can't help but do it.

                      The other thing is this, WWE for YEARS (I don't know if it's still the case these days) had the most grueling road schedule of any promotion. Of course guys are going to take painkillers and such to ease the pains of being on the road.

                      One last thing, I believe WWE has a drug and substance abuse policy of some sort but it has ZERO credibility or teeth. Too bad congress didn't lump WWE with all the other sports when it comes to steroid testing because McMahon needs to realize that the size of his wrestlers and the road schedule is going to dramatically cut short the lives of his talent.
                      Great post SportsmanTO. You hit so many good points. The best thing was when you said wrestling is about athleticism and not be a big out muscleheaded freak. Many of the big muscleheads can not wrestle to save their lives. For example Chris Masters, Batista, and John Cena to name a few. This is why I am a big fan of ROH and TNA. Not every guy wrestling is a steroid freak (although they have theirs also).

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                      • Spear
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                        • Sep 2002
                        • 4434

                        #12
                        Re: Does Vince McMahon have some explaining to do?

                        I remember recalling that Edge tried them out but stopped.
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                        • SPTO
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                          • Feb 2003
                          • 68046

                          #13
                          Re: Does Vince McMahon have some explaining to do?

                          Originally posted by EWRMETS
                          The funny thing there is that Bret admitted to using steroids.
                          So did Flair in the mid 80s. I was shocked when I heard that because he doesn't look like one of those roided out guys.
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                          • GBrushTWood
                            Banned
                            • Mar 2003
                            • 1624

                            #14
                            Re: Does Vince McMahon have some explaining to do?

                            Originally posted by DookieMowf
                            Blame McMahon? These guys dont have to wrestle, if they want to and take steriods its all on them if you ask me.

                            Strong men with weak minds.
                            This is the same as just blaming the victims. If there were isolated incidents of this happening, then I think your point would be valid. The reason it isn't is because there is an extremely apparent culture that has been created where steroid use is rewarded. There is a systematic problem here.

                            Saying that they should find a different job is laughable. So if anybody ever has any problems in their job, they should simply switch occupations?

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                            • mjb2124
                              Hall Of Fame
                              • Aug 2002
                              • 13649

                              #15
                              Re: Does Vince McMahon have some explaining to do?

                              Originally posted by GBrushTWood
                              This is the same as just blaming the victims. If there were isolated incidents of this happening, then I think your point would be valid. The reason it isn't is because there is an extremely apparent culture that has been created where steroid use is rewarded. There is a systematic problem here.
                              I agree with that. There is a problem and it needs to be changed.

                              Saying that they should find a different job is laughable. So if anybody ever has any problems in their job, they should simply switch occupations?
                              I would. If wrestling was my business and my boss told me I had to take steroids and get bigger or I'd get fired, I'd walk out that second. If my boss now asked me to do something very unethical/immoral at my job, I'd leave. The way I see it, it's going to come back to hurt me at some point in my career. If Vince did tell Eddie to take 'roids, maybe Eddie would be alive right now if he had said "no" (Note: Just speculating on this and using it as a very loose example).

                              For me, it goes back to personal responsibility. Too many people don't want to take personal responsibility for their actions. It's easier to blame the boss, environment, government, co-worker etc... than to place the responsibility on their shoulders.

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