The OS WWE Spoilers Thread

[Mercury112491]

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Early attitude era yes, the minor titles mattered. Once Rock, HHH, and Austin moved into main event. Not so much.

[King_B_Mack]

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Early attitude era yes, the minor titles mattered. Once Rock, HHH, and Austin moved into main event. Not so much.

Not really true. For the European title? Yes, definitely true. IC though? Jericho, Angle, Jarrett, Val Venis, Godfather etc. Were feuding for the title and of course the Tag division was thriving.

[ubernoob]

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I would say as someone who viewed the attitude era that this is inaccurate. Obviously the main event scene was pushed heavily, but there aren't many instances of the Intercontinental champion basically being told we got nothing for and left to rot. The tag team divisions and the midcard in general flurished pretty well in the attitude era. Everybody had something to do and there was some kind of legit storyline to their feud as opposed to now.

Can't compare it like that.

They didn't have to deal with 2 "World Champions" in the Attitude Era.

Nobody, outside of the Rock, held the IC title long enough to do anything with it.

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The midcard was trash. The 'storylines' were trash. The only thing the Attitude Era has over the current area (not including 'superstar name value' which is a discussion for another time) is tag teams. Well, factions really, so we'll just call them "groups of wrestlers" for the sake of this discussion. DX, The NoD, The Brood, bWo, RTC, Kai En Tai and the list goes on and on.

Let's not act like 5-minute matches in a choppy choppy pee pee "storyline" is even close to being better what we have today. Titles changed hands, yes, but that doesn't mean there was any rhyme or reason to it.

Let's compare midcards, for fun. I'll take 1998 compared to today.

1998

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HHH (somewhat, 1998 was where he started his rise after HBK got hurt at the Rumble)
New Age Outlaws
Ahmed Johnson
Mark Henry
Jeff Jarrett
Big Bossman
Steve Blackman
Ahmed Johnson
Droz
Edge/Christian
Al Snow
Bob Holly
Marc Mero
Val Venis
Goldust
Hardyz
Scorpio
Barry Windham
The Rock
Goldust
Kai En Tai
Disciples of Apocalypse
The Oddities

Today:

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Wade Barrett
Big E
New Age Outlaws
Kofi Kingston
Rybaxel
Christian
Damien Sandow
Dolph Ziggler
3MB
Jack Swagger
Cesaro (won't be here for long)
Uso's
Erick Rowan
Luke Harper
Tyson Kidd
Santino
Zack Ryder
Rob Van Dam (when he's around)
Rey Mysterio
R-Truth
Titus O'Neil
Darren Young

I know what roster I'm taking 10 times out of 10. Some names got left off both lists for brevity, but I think anyone important is covered.

[King_B_Mack]

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Can't compare it like that.

They didn't have to deal with 2 "World Champions" in the Attitude Era.

Nobody, outside of the Rock, held the IC title long enough to do anything with it.

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The midcard was trash. The 'storylines' were trash. The only thing the Attitude Era has over the current area (not including 'superstar name value' which is a discussion for another time) is tag teams. Well, factions really, so we'll just call them "groups of wrestlers" for the sake of this discussion. DX, The NoD, The Brood, bWo, RTC, Kai En Tai and the list goes on and on.

Let's not act like 5-minute matches in a choppy choppy pee pee "storyline" is even close to being better what we have today. Titles changed hands, yes, but that doesn't mean there was any rhyme or reason to it.

Let's compare midcards, for fun. I'll take 1998 compared to today.

1998

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HHH (somewhat, 1998 was where he started his rise after HBK got hurt at the Rumble)
New Age Outlaws
Ahmed Johnson
Mark Henry
Jeff Jarrett
Big Bossman
Steve Blackman
Ahmed Johnson
Droz
Edge/Christian
Al Snow
Bob Holly
Marc Mero
Val Venis
Goldust
Hardyz
Scorpio
Barry Windham
The Rock
Goldust
Kai En Tai
Disciples of Apocalypse
The Oddities

Today:

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Wade Barrett
Big E
New Age Outlaws
Kofi Kingston
Rybaxel
Christian
Damien Sandow
Dolph Ziggler
3MB
Jack Swagger
Cesaro (won't be here for long)
Uso's
Erick Rowan
Luke Harper
Tyson Kidd
Santino
Zack Ryder
Rob Van Dam (when he's around)
Rey Mysterio
R-Truth
Titus O'Neil
Darren Young

I know what roster I'm taking 10 times out of 10. Some names got left off both lists for brevity, but I think anyone important is covered.

You know your rant about which roster was better would work out a lot better if I were talking about match quality. I also like how your picture stops at January of 2000. You know the attitude era goes longer than that right?

My point was that they don't do anything to try to make you care about these titles now. There are points where I literally have to go check on the website to see who's the IC or US champion. At the time during the AE and even before then (I don't even know why we're focusing on the AE, I never said AE in the first place) there were at least guys legit feuding for the title. Something that a wikipedia screen shot of title reigns isn't going to show. As we pointed out in one of the Raw threads. Big E got pinned and they didn't even acknowledge that the IC champion being pinned. Something that wouldn't have happened in the past.

[ubernoob]

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I do agree that the midcard title picture sucks nowadays, but even on the commentating point (about not mentioning IC Champ getting pinned) that's just on the fact that the announcing sucks and they don't treat their jobs like legitimate commentators. Thank creative/higher ups for that (Cole wasn't near as terrible back then as he is now for many reasons.)

Though, I do think that you think the Attitude Era went on for longer than it really did. 97-00 is what I'd consider the AE. '00 was somewhat of a transition phase (not fully AE, not fully RA), and it was completely over by '01.

[King_B_Mack]

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To be fair to the commentators though, they've got Vince in their ears for pretty much the entire show telling them what to say and being anal about everything. Like the elimination of the phrase "title belt" among other things.

I think it's generally considered that the AE was from Stone Cold's King of the Ring speech until the end of the Monday Night Wars in 2001. 2000 was definitely still the AE though. Godfather was still running around, the hardcore title was still a thing. Granted there were things that weren't as over the top as '98 featured, but 2000 was still the AE I think.

[almostbobsaget]

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[TheShizNo1]

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I brought up the attitude era because it's an era that's viewed as popular. There was a time period after Rock/HHH evolved and Shamrock left that your IC feuds featured D'Lo, a ripe Edge, JJ, Val Venus and Chyna . Your European feuds consisted of Shane McMahon, Mideon, Blackman, and Regal.

This suckage of the mid card isn't exclusive to this period, it was there in one of the most famous (or infamous) eras in wrestling. Outside of huge names and factions, there was nothing there.

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[Rocky]

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I do agree that the midcard title picture sucks nowadays, but even on the commentating point (about not mentioning IC Champ getting pinned) that's just on the fact that the announcing sucks and they don't treat their jobs like legitimate commentators. Thank creative/higher ups for that (Cole wasn't near as terrible back then as he is now for many reasons.)

Though, I do think that you think the Attitude Era went on for longer than it really did. 97-00 is what I'd consider the AE. '00 was somewhat of a transition phase (not fully AE, not fully RA), and it was completely over by '01.

The Attitude Era defacto ended at WM X-7. This is the first time I've ever heard that the Attitude Era didn't include these events.

And say what you want to about The Godfather, Val Venis, and Jeff Jarrett...but they were RIDICULOUSLY over at the time. And because of their overness, outlandishness, and straight up entertainment factor; they added another dimension to the title. It wasn't necessarily a stepping stone title anymore rather than a validator on stars in the mid-card who got pops only reserved for superstars.

[philliesfan136]

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Dean Ambrose defended the WWE United States Title for the first time in several weeks at today's WWE live event in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia.

He defeated Cody Rhodes, Kofi Kingston and Dolph Ziggler in a four-way to retain.

Hopefully a US title division gets started up on Smackdown.

[Segagendude]

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Is Ambrose still a champion?? I don't even know..

[bigbob]

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Defending the title at Live Events shouldn't count towards the 30 day thing.

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[Millennium]

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Hi guys, remember me, the admin?

I still read the spoiler and dirt threads. You know what that means?

TAKE YOUR OFF TOPIC CONVERSATIONS TO THE OFF TOPIC THREADS. THIS IS FOR SPOILERS ONLY.

Thank you and have a splendid day.

[philliesfan136]

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Roman Reigns picked up his biggest singles win yet at the final WWE live event in Riyadah, Saudi Arabia tonight. He defeated Randy Orton with a Superman punch and a spear.

Shield vs Evolution news.

[cquigley]

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Reading the spoilers for this week's Smackdown it sounds like a really good show. I'm sad I didn't get to attend since its right down the street.


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