Randy Savage

[SPTO]

Re: Randy Savage

I still think there is a place in wrestling for him. I wish someone would get him and use him some how.

Savage would be a perfect agent for a wrestling organization. The man was notorious for scripting every single second of every match he ever did. That kind of attention to detail would do wonders for some younger wrestlers out there.

[vernond]

Re: Randy Savage

Savage would be a perfect agent for a wrestling organization. The man was notorious for scripting every single second of every match he ever did. That kind of attention to detail would do wonders for some younger wrestlers out there.

I think Savage was a better character than he was in ring. He had some very good matches and the Steamboat match was great. He's not a guy you knew you were going to see a great match everytime he was out there. I'd have a hard time saying he's a top 10 all time guy as a worker, as a personality yes but not in ring. I liked Savage but i think if you were to plan out every part of each match you could come up with some better matches. Just my opinion.

[KOL]

Re: Randy Savage

Savage would be a perfect agent for a wrestling organization. The man was notorious for scripting every single second of every match he ever did. That kind of attention to detail would do wonders for some younger wrestlers out there.

Wasn't there a story about this someplace.
I remember Hogan doing an interview about WM 5 and saying Randy phoned him about 7-8 times the night before running through different spots. I also read Bret Harts autobiography and I think he said Savage is one of the easiest guys to work with - in and outside the ring.

[JiggidyJames]

Re: Randy Savage

I think Savage was a better character than he was in ring. He had some very good matches and the Steamboat match was great. He's not a guy you knew you were going to see a great match everytime he was out there. I'd have a hard time saying he's a top 10 all time guy as a worker, as a personality yes but not in ring. I liked Savage but i think if you were to plan out every part of each match you could come up with some better matches. Just my opinion.

Is this hyperbole?

There's not a single person on this board that could put together a better match than Randy Savage, or any pro wrestler that made it that far. Two matches considered some of the best in WWE history were scripted by Savage. You don't think he was that good, cool, but that sentence is crazy talk, man.

[vernond]

Re: Randy Savage

Is this hyperbole?

There's not a single person on this board that could put together a better match than Randy Savage, or any pro wrestler that made it that far. Two matches considered some of the best in WWE history were scripted by Savage. You don't think he was that good, cool, but that sentence is crazy talk, man.

I'm not talking about people on message board putting together better matches. I'm saying if a wrestler were to plan out their matches like it's said Savage did, then I would think they would have a lot more better matches than he has. He's had very good matches but I think that if they were planned out so extensively then there should be a lot more great ones.

I also would not exactly agree with the fact that someone who isn't a wrestler could not lay out a match as good as a wrestler could. That wasn't the point I was making in my original post but I think someone who has an extensive knowledge of wrestling and has really studied it could come up with some really good matches. If you understand wrestling, the psychology going into the match, and what kind of story you want to tell with the match then I think a non wrestler could come up with matches as good as a pro wrestler could. I said lay out matches not perform before you try to pick something out of this to go off about.

I assume one of the matches you were saying as one of the two greatest was the Steamboat match, what was the second? I'm guessing Warrior at 7 or Flair at 8? Just curious.

[vernond]

Re: Randy Savage

Wasn't there a story about this someplace.
I remember Hogan doing an interview about WM 5 and saying Randy phoned him about 7-8 times the night before running through different spots. I also read Bret Harts autobiography and I think he said Savage is one of the easiest guys to work with - in and outside the ring.

There was something in Flair's book about Savage wanting him to come down to his house and practice their match before 8 and Steamboat told him Savage drove him crazy before 3.

[JiggidyJames]

Re: Randy Savage

I'm not talking about people on message board putting together better matches. I'm saying if a wrestler were to plan out their matches like it's said Savage did, then I would think they would have a lot more better matches than he has. He's had very good matches but I think that if they were planned out so extensively then there should be a lot more great ones.

I also would not exactly agree with the fact that someone who isn't a wrestler could not lay out a match as good as a wrestler could. That wasn't the point I was making in my original post but I think someone who has an extensive knowledge of wrestling and has really studied it could come up with some really good matches. If you understand wrestling, the psychology going into the match, and what kind of story you want to tell with the match then I think a non wrestler could come up with matches as good as a pro wrestler could. I said lay out matches not perform before you try to pick something out of this to go off about.

I assume one of the matches you were saying as one of the two greatest was the Steamboat match, what was the second? I'm guessing Warrior at 7 or Flair at 8? Just curious.

You said "you", so I thought you meant that SPTO could lay out a better match. You do know every match you see on TV is scripted, right? Been that way at least since live TV took over.

I don't know if it's arrogance or you're just plain delusional, but you're wrong. I could picture a million "good" matches in my head, but without a crowd response nobody knows if it's any good. Not only that, but there's a ton of stuff you don't know about by just watching. I thought I knew a bunch of stuff, but when I learned what really goes on, it blew my mind. The pacing, the timing, the way the crowd reacts to what...all that and more is taken into consideration. That's stuff none of us can wrap our heads around without actually doing it in front of people more than a few times.

And yeah, the Warrior match.

[vernond]

Re: Randy Savage

You said "you", so I thought you meant that SPTO could lay out a better match. You do know every match you see on TV is scripted, right? Been that way at least since live TV took over.

I don't know if it's arrogance or you're just plain delusional, but you're wrong. I could picture a million "good" matches in my head, but without a crowd response nobody knows if it's any good. Not only that, but there's a ton of stuff you don't know about by just watching. I thought I knew a bunch of stuff, but when I learned what really goes on, it blew my mind. The pacing, the timing, the way the crowd reacts to what...all that and more is taken into consideration. That's stuff none of us can wrap our heads around without actually doing it in front of people more than a few times.

And yeah, the Warrior match.

Arrogance huh? Well i apologize for disagreeing with the almighty authority on wrestling.

[JiggidyJames]

Re: Randy Savage

Arrogance huh? Well i apologize for disagreeing with the almighty authority on wrestling.

LOL I'm not the one who said I knew more about wrestling psychology than a 25 year plus pro. Of course, now you can reply and say that's not what you meant...

[Brian Gee]

Re: Randy Savage

You KNOW what he meant, don't you? He basically meant (IF I'M READING CORRECTLY) that the skill it takes to put a match together in the ring is not equal to the skill it takes to perfectly choreograph a match ahead of time. So, by that rationale, Savage isn't as great as some people think he is (between the ropes anyway...).

I see his point and even though I don't fully agree with it (I'd take Flair calling a match back in his heydey against an Ultimate Warrior match...even if the Warrior had 9 years to plan the pacing/spots/finish/etc.), I understand.

Sheesh.

[JiggidyJames]

Re: Randy Savage

He doesn't have to reply, because I will. You KNOW what he meant, don't you? He basically meant (IF I'M READING CORRECTLY) that the skill it takes to put a match together in the ring is not equal to the skill it takes to perfectly choreograph a match ahead of time. So, by that rationale, Savage isn't as great as some people think he is (between the ropes anyway...).

I see his point and even though I don't fully agree with it (I'd take Flair calling a match back in his heydey against an Ultimate Warrior match...even if the Warrior had 9 years to plan the pacing/spots/finish/etc.), I understand.

Sheesh.

All I'm saying about scripted vs. called is that live TV has forced the later to become how it gets done today. Not that one is better than the other. But I'm not arguing that.. I'm arguing this:

I also would not exactly agree with the fact that someone who isn't a wrestler could not lay out a match as good as a wrestler could.

Savage wasn't that good, guys who called were better...cool. I got no problem with that. But this is overboard.

[Brian Gee]

Re: Randy Savage

You are right about live TV. EVERYTHING is different now. I see your point and I respect your opinion (I lurk here, but I am pretty well knowledged on everything from Puro to Ed "The Strangler" Lewis) but I also missed the fact that he said that one of us could do it "better". I am positive that we could make a thread and plan out a great fantasy event and script some (on paper) fantastic fantasy matches (down to the spots), but that doesn't equate to us "actually" being successful at it. I've read some HORRIBLE ideas over the years from fans...both matchwise and plotwise...

Macho Man, IMO, rests exactly where he should. I don't know many people who don't give him his props and we all have seen him at his best. The biggest knock against him is that he was always overshadowed by others...especially Hogan. Hell, Hogan hogged the spotlight in two of his title wins (I have never seen a wrestler win a belt and get backseated like Savage did...IN THE MOMENT!) and Wrestlemania 8, as great as that match was, should ALWAYS have been Hogan v. Flair, but now I'm going off on a tangent...

[vernond]

Re: Randy Savage

For the love of god. I never said anyone on here could lay out a match better than macho man. Maybe someone could, maybe someone couldn't, who knows? My point was and i don't know how clearer i could make it, is that just because someone isn't a wrestler doesn't mean that they could not lay out a match just as well as a wrestler. I'm not saying anyone can do it, I'm just saying that you don't have necessarily be a wrestler to lay out a great match. Would wrestlers be better at it? Yes they would more often than not, but a person who is knowledgeable in wrestling could lay out a great match. You're the arrogant one saying, there's no way anyone who is not a wrestler could ever lay out a better match than a wrestler. There's no reason it couldn't happen. I'm not saying I can do it better than Randy Savage, Bret Hart, or Bushwacker Luke. I'm done with this pissing match with you. You've got your opinion and we disagree and that's fine. I think you understand my point but you get off on taking one or two statements that you can put your spin on and starting an argument over them.

[JiggidyJames]

Re: Randy Savage

For the love of god. I never said anyone on here could lay out a match better than macho man. Maybe someone could, maybe someone couldn't, who knows? My point was and i don't know how clearer i could make it, is that just because someone isn't a wrestler doesn't mean that they could not lay out a match just as well as a wrestler. I'm not saying anyone can do it, I'm just saying that you don't have necessarily be a wrestler to lay out a great match. Would wrestlers be better at it? Yes they would more often than not, but a person who is knowledgeable in wrestling could lay out a great match. You're the arrogant one saying, there's no way anyone who is not a wrestler could ever lay out a better match than a wrestler. There's no reason it couldn't happen. I'm not saying I can do it better than Randy Savage, Bret Hart, or Bushwacker Luke. I'm done with this pissing match with you. You've got your opinion and we disagree and that's fine. I think you understand my point but you get off on taking one or two statements that you can put your spin on and starting an argument over them.

LOL @ the double talk.

Smarks and "experts" read about it, these guys actually DO it. That's all that needs to be said.

[MizzouBravesFan]

Re: Randy Savage

Since we're just posting Randy Savage stuff now here's one of the strangest promos i've ever seen. This was Savage pre WWF

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I posted this here a looong time ago I think, but you know with new members and such

What...the...hell?!? LOL.

BTW, Steamboat v. Savage from Mania III is still one of my fav. matches all time and ranks up there with anything in wrestling, past or present. That was one awesome feud.