McMahon buys WCW question

**BunnyHardaway** · 09-13-2009, 03:03 PM

Re: McMahon buys WCW question

No...apparently he was considering keeping WCW as a seperate brand, but no TV station would take a chance on it, so he started the whole Invasion angle.

**dan77733** · 09-13-2009, 04:18 PM

Re: McMahon buys WCW question

Oh, okay. Thanks.

The reason I asked is because some guy responded to a comment a made about a video on youtube and the guy said that McMahon couldnt bring WCW back and I was thinking, why the hell would Vince buy WCW if he didnt have the option to bring it back like he did with ECW if he wanted to.

Thanks again.

**Piderman** · 09-14-2009, 06:30 PM

Re: McMahon buys WCW question

Originally posted by dan77733

Oh, okay. Thanks.

The reason I asked is because some guy responded to a comment a made about a video on youtube and the guy said that McMahon couldnt bring WCW back and I was thinking, why the hell would Vince buy WCW if he didnt have the option to bring it back like he did with ECW if he wanted to.

Thanks again.

Maybe he did it to wipe out the competition and be the dominant and only brand in wrestling, kinda like EA Sports buying the NFL license and being the only NFL game on shelves. But what JJ said makes a lot more sense.

**deaduck** · 09-16-2009, 05:47 AM

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I actually got to overhear a discussion on this with some backstage types in catering backstage at a RAW. Bear in mind none of them were McMahon but these were some high ranking cats so they would have been in the loop.

Remember WCW was floundering and up for sale before McMahon got involved, even Bischoff had a group prepped to buy it but when the Turner networks got out of the wrestling business that left the product with no outlet. This devalued WCW down to a point that McMahon understood that the back catalog of matches from WCW was worth than what was being asked for the whole thing.

They said he hoped to do more with it but at the time the "big" faces of WCW were willing to sit out and collect on guaranteed contracts that were left over from Turner. As a result, the invasion angle didn't have the sizzle they hoped for and WCW was seen as a non-viable brand. And of course, the back catalog aspect has more than paid off the original sale.

**SPTO** · 09-16-2009, 11:16 AM

Re: McMahon buys WCW question

Originally posted by deaduck

They said he hoped to do more with it but at the time the "big" faces of WCW were willing to sit out and collect on guaranteed contracts that were left over from Turner. As a result, the invasion angle didn't have the sizzle they hoped for and WCW was seen as a non-viable brand. And of course, the back catalog aspect has more than paid off the original sale.

Let's say for argument's sake that that the WCW big names came on board right off the bat the invasion angle would've only been marginally better. You KNEW right from the beginning that the WWE guys would get all the glory. The end result was so ridiculously foregone that people saw it for what it was.

Even with the B/B+ WCW guys it could've worked better if McMahon had actually given them some credibility. I mean did any of the WCW guys win any big match? I can't remember for sure but even if they did win a few it was very very screwy so it took away from the accomplishment.

**FuzzySlippers** · 09-16-2009, 11:38 AM

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Originally posted by SPTO

Let's say for argument's sake that that the WCW big names came on board right off the bat the invasion angle would've only been marginally better. You KNEW right from the beginning that the WWE guys would get all the glory. The end result was so ridiculously foregone that people saw it for what it was.

Even with the B/B+ WCW guys it could've worked better if McMahon had actually given them some credibility. I mean did any of the WCW guys win any big match? I can't remember for sure but even if they did win a few it was very very screwy so it took away from the accomplishment.

I agree with this. I mean look at how the big name WCW stars were handled when they finally did show in the E.

As far as the guys who did come,Booker T and Diamond Dallas Page should have been pushed has a threat,instead of being pushed has a "stalker" and the Rock Jr.

I mean,really,if you were a fan of WCW,then you Page's wife was the smoking hot Kimberly. So it made to sense to put him into an angle where he was stalking the Undertaker's horse faced old lady.

It was like they didn't understand that "hey,these guys are with us now." "Let's put something together that the fans will enjoy and make us alot of money in the process." No,it was more like "Why,should I share the spotlight with these guys,they were the competition."

**FuzzySlippers** · 09-16-2009, 11:48 AM

Re: McMahon buys WCW question

They said he hoped to do more with it but at the time the "big" faces of WCW were willing to sit out and collect on guaranteed contracts that were left over from Turner. As a result, the invasion angle didn't have the sizzle they hoped for and WCW was seen as a non-viable brand. And of course, the back catalog aspect has more than paid off the original sale.

The invasion angle didn't have any sizzle because from the get go the guys who came over were treated as goofs. I mean geez,push somebody. You have to portray somebody has being an equal in order for it to work.

Personally,I feel that had they truly wanted it to work,they could have done so. Hell,I don't know why the idea wasn't revived when Eric Bischoff showed up in the E.

**deaduck** · 09-16-2009, 05:37 PM

Re: McMahon buys WCW question

Originally posted by SPTO

Let's say for argument's sake that that the WCW big names came on board right off the bat the invasion angle would've only been marginally better. You KNEW right from the beginning that the WWE guys would get all the glory. The end result was so ridiculously foregone that people saw it for what it was.

Even with the B/B+ WCW guys it could've worked better if McMahon had actually given them some credibility. I mean did any of the WCW guys win any big match? I can't remember for sure but even if they did win a few it was very very screwy so it took away from the accomplishment.

No doubt it was handled horribly but there was that ONE brief shinning moment when the angle teased a level of awesome that never came to be...when in one of those massive cluster brawls the last guys standing on both sides were the ECW guys and that faction made itself known.

If only they had went three way war with it I think it might have worked due to the talent distrubution leveling off.

**woody2goody** · 09-25-2009, 05:26 AM

Re: McMahon buys WCW question

Normally there would have been nothing wrong with that angle, you know if it was a normal Raw/Smackdown angle with just WWE guys.

However the main problem was that the stars of each team were from WWE, and it was those defections, and not great performances from the WCW guys, that made WCW/ECW sem like a big threat.

Plus guys like Tazz were treated like crap.

To be honest, the showing up of WCW still continues today, just look at Jimmy Wang Yang and Jamie Noble, who teamed together with good success in WCW's cruiserweight division.

**stlstudios189** · 09-28-2009, 07:23 AM

Re: McMahon buys WCW question

I think that the WCW guys handled the situation well (the ones that came over) and never recieved enough credit for that. Here your company just folded and you work status is in jepordy and now you have to do whatever it is that your new boss want you to do. Booker T, DDP, Lance Storm, RVD, etc... were true pros and ended up making a huge impact on the company.

**FuzzySlippers** · 09-28-2009, 08:49 AM

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"However the main problem was that the stars of each team were from WWE, and it was those defections, and not great performances from the WCW guys, that made WCW/ECW sem like a big threat."

No,the problem was they didn't push any of the WCW guys has threats. That was the problem. Nobody can give me one good reason why Booker T and Diamond Dallas Page(the two biggest names to come over at that point)weren't pushed as threats. The only reason is the egos of the WWE guys. Booker,Page,Tazz,and RVD should have been pushed has the main threats,and they could have gotten some juice out of that. Instead we get Page has a stalker(which was stupid),and Booker has a Rock wannabe(which to Booker's credit,he did the best he could with it)

**stlstudios189** · 09-28-2009, 07:50 PM

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that's what I mean the wcw guys did the best they could with it. Most were rewarded later w/ titles around their waist etc.. If the WWE guys would have realized that pushing these guys would have been awesome for business

**CYST2000** · 10-01-2009, 04:51 AM

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I don't usually post on this board, but I remember these times. Vince has the biggest ego in the biz, and he really wanted to rub dirt in the eyes of WCW fans. Look no further than DDP. He was the man in the late 90's for WCW fans, and he totally embarrassed him and his fans with a lame role, and DDP wasn't thrilled, that's why he left.

Wrestling isn't hurting because of MMA, or fans getting older, it was the total disrespect for the fans of wrestling as a whole. I was a huge wrestling fan, and was turned off when he made a mockery of the NWO. I was never a fan of the NWO, but had respect for the NWO angle that made a huge fan base in the 90's. He called out several WCW's fan favorites and stomped on their names just to boost his ego. This is why I feel that wrestling is really dieing a slow yet agonizing death.

It's truly sad, but it's the truth.

**BunnyHardaway** · 10-01-2009, 01:47 PM

Re: McMahon buys WCW question

It's sad thinking of how amazing the Invasion would've been had they A) waited to do the angle until everyone's WCW contracts expired or B) been able to get all those people right away.

Nash, Hall, Hogan, Goldberg, Sting, Booker, DDP, Steiner, RVD vs. Rock, Austin, Taker, Kane, Angle, Jericho, etc.

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