All-Time Wrestling Draft Results and Discussion (Poll Included)

[The15thunter]

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i think a lot of the backstage environments and locker room political situations are going to be interesting. a lot of these guys do not mesh together, and there would be potential problems that people are overlooking, as well.

i'm looking at shawn michaels at his worst and wondering how it will effect that locker room, 'cause there's some egos back there.

and ultimate warrior + bob backlund + iron sheik = hilarity.

[55]

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i think a lot of the backstage environments and locker room political situations are going to be interesting. a lot of these guys do not mesh together, and there would be potential problems that people are overlooking, as well.

i'm looking at shawn michaels at his worst and wondering how it will effect that locker room, 'cause there's some egos back there.

and ultimate warrior + bob backlund + iron sheik = hilarity.

Yeah, there is no way in hell that the people who are voting are taking all five categories into consideration like us, but are instead just picking the rosters with their favorite wrestlers. I knew I stood no chance to actually "win" this thing, but I didn't do it for that purpose. I did it the way I did it because it is what I would want to see myself.

But seriously, just having Monsoon/Heenan on commentary makes my TV shows (not my roster) by far the best.

[The15thunter]

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Yeah, there is no way in hell that the people who are voting are taking all five categories into consideration like us, but are instead just picking the rosters with their favorite wrestlers. I knew I stood no chance to actually "win" this thing, but I didn't do it for that purpose. I did it the way I did it because it is what I would want to see myself.

But seriously, just having Monsoon/Heenan on commentary makes my TV shows (not my roster) by far the best.

i'll go through each category and do people's organizations sometime today. see what i come up with, maybe in a category by category way.

[55]

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i'll go through each category and do people's organizations sometime today. see what i come up with, maybe in a category by category way.

I want to do that too at some point. Kind of like on the weighted "out of 10 scale" we spoke about weeks ago.

[Streets]

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Yeah, there is no way in hell that the people who are voting are taking all five categories into consideration like us, but are instead just picking the rosters with their favorite wrestlers. I knew I stood no chance to actually "win" this thing, but I didn't do it for that purpose. I did it the way I did it because it is what I would want to see myself.

But seriously, just having Monsoon/Heenan on commentary makes my TV shows (not my roster) by far the best.

The problem with me is I can only go by what I know. Just like everyone else can only go by what they know. The poll is a sampling of wrestling fans on OS. While probably a bit more smarky and knowledgeable than the casual wrestling fan, if people voted the way you implied (picking their favorite brand based on what they would like to see), then the poll results probably reflect the organizations that would appeal most to the casual fan.

I cannot comment on backstage politics, egos, or meshing because I stay clear of dirtsheets, spoilers, rumors, backstage politics, etc. It makes the product much more enjoyable for me. I don't think I've ever posted in those threads and I usually only click on spoiler links if I feel people are using it to hide a punchline to a joke (and sometimes I end up getting spoiled). I've heard about the kliq (sp?) being trouble backstage, and Hogan refusing to job, and maybe a couple other things, but not enough to weigh in on each company's "team chemistry". Either way, I have yet to vote anyway.

[The15thunter]

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osufan_88:

• backstage/locker room chemistry - 8. you did very well in this department, and any potential problem would be nixed by having the undertaker's presence. you lost a point for kerry von erich, simply because he can't be controlled. also, with sean waltman, scott hall and kevin nash together in a locker room environment, there will probably be some extra-curriculars and might put some guys off (bret, owen, the anvil). otherwise, it's a strong unit that can mesh very well together.
• work-rate/in-ring ability - 10. this is where your company will shine, as you developed it in such a way that everyone can go. you only have three weak links (ron simmons, lex luger and kevin nash), but so many incredible workers that they can be hidden if needed, and can work monster squashes at other times. by far, the most impressive collection of workers in our five company universe.
• money-making/drawing power - 5. in my opinion, this is your only real weakness. none of your guys make people who weren't going to buy the show already feel like they have to. none of these guys have mainstream appeal, none of them are people that can draw in a casual viewer. your organization is built to reel in people who want to see wrestling at its purest, and it will do that. it just won't get anyone outside of that aim.
• entertainment value/promo power - 8. you don't have any legendary talker outside of jericho, though nash and ddp can galvanize or anger a crowd. aside from that, everyone is serviceable to above-average. you also get a boost from having vickie to draw heat, jimmy hart, and the amazing duo of joey styles and jim ross at the booth. your shows will be very entertaining.
• longevity/potential - 10. you thrive here. you could sustain your organization indefenitely because you have a lot of youth, a style that doesn't really grow old since it's such a niche, and guys that can move up or down to work with one another as they grow better.
• total - 41/50. die hard wrestling fans will love it, but my mom has no reason to watch or know who any of your guys are. and that's fine, there's a place for that organization in wrestling, the ecw to the attitude era's wcw/wwf or the roh to today's promotions. that is your birthright.

55:

• backstage/locker room chemistry - 8. you have no cancers, except for potentially jbl. a lot of unique characters, but none that should particularly clash. the only problem is the amount of potential, current or former substance abuse addicts (eddie, jeff, jake, bam bam, pillman), a lunatic (sid) and a potential bad apple (larry z.) none of them are at their worst point, but there's definitely an element of playing with fire here. however, the guys all seem like they should get along with no pre-existing problems between anyone and a lot of straight arrows.
• work-rate/in-ring ability - 10. everyone here is good at wrestling, mostly on the whole, and if not, they are specialized and are nearly elite at their specialty. you arguably have as high a workrate as osufan_88's.
• money-making/drawing power - 7. you are drawing from flair's power of the south in his timeframe, sting's appeal, and the international flavors of muta, dragon and konnan. steamboat, for all his powers, wasn't really a big draw, and jake was close to being one. you will get wrestling fans, and maybe some fair-weather people in the south who want to see what all the hub-bub is about. you'll also get some extra international viewers, but you won't crack the mainstream with this roster. but you're definitely not an independent.
• entertainment value/promo power - 10. you selected very wisely here. monsoon, heenan, mean gene and the fink take your shows and pay-per-views up a notch or two, just by their involvement and marquee voices. flair, rude, dibiase, jbl, jake, eddie and foley on the mic only help push this to a ten. that's a nice mixture of elite or very good promo men, high production values, and a product that will definitely be pleasing to watch and hear.
• longevity/potential - 10 - all of your guys are at the peak of their careers, they all offer something different and have unique appeal. assuming the afore-mentioned character guys don't crash and burn due to their issues, you have a ton to work with for a long time.
• total - 45/50. i really like your promotion. you have a mixture of a lot of styles, yet it has a very mid-late 80's vibe going, but enough to appeal to a modern audience. it's sustainable, could definitely gain in popularity, you just lack that one huge star that would capture national attention and cause everyone to focus in on this elite product.

st0rmb11:

• backstage/locker room chemistry - 4. shawn michaels kills you, absolutely kills you. he is, arguably, the most politically cancerous force in the last 30 years during this time period. well, either him or wcw's hogan. then, you enable him by giving him triple h, which compounds the problem. goldberg is also a problem at this point, so that's something to consider. rvd, sabu, raven and william regal's substance troubles are well known, as well, so that is a dynamic that must be considered. i think cm punk would be out of place backstage.
• work-rate/in-ring ability - 9. your main event is full of elite workers in their prime, aside from goldberg and randy orton, who i don't feel is an elite worker. he's adequate and can be carried to a very good match by the others. the rest of your roster is very strong, although i don't quite see who rikishi can work with that would mask his deficiences.
• money-making/drawing power - 7.5. despite all arguments to the contrary, hbk has never been a big draw. triple h wasn't a draw, so much as the main heel during the rock and austin's drawing days. goldberg, arguably, was as hot as anyone has ever been for his year and some change of prime, so you get credit for that. randy, while not a huge draw, is moving towards being a solid one.
• entertainment value/promo power - 9. you have a lot of entertainers and guys who can talk. whether it's punk, michaels or triple h on the stick, goldberg doing goldberg things, rvd being a cocky bastard, sabu being ridiculous or the outlaws' antics, you've got a lot here. i knock you a bit because you have a few guys who haven't quite hit their stride (kofi kingston, jack swagger, hardcore holly, test, abyss) and aren't really entertainers.
• longevity/potential - 10. as long as the backstage/locker room stuff doesn't cripple the organization and force someone important to leave, this is a company with incredible upside. while i don't think a national, mainstream-level star is going to rise out of it, it's definitely going to be a hotbed for action and innovation for a long time.
• total - 39.5/50. i'm really surprised it scored so low, because your main event is really powerful. the lack of a huge, marquee star is a bit of a hindrance, but the main thing is the backstage/chemistry stuff. if that stuff proves to not be a factor, you've got yourself an elite group. but michaels during that era was a cancer, and he's the guy you're building things around.

thematrix31:

• backstage/locker room chemistry - 8. ultimate warrior is crazy. iron sheik is crazy. bob backlund is crazy. sandman's a drunk. can't have so many crazies in one place without something happening. however, having the entire mcmahon family is a big help, because they're pretty much the only people who can and have ever managed that many egos and lunatics at once. good find.
• work-rate/in-ring ability - 7.5. savage, malenko, backlund and perfect are your only elite in-ring guys. edge, bulldog, sheik and others are good to very good. sandman is not helping things here, miz is still improving, ryder is as well. it's an interesting collection of characters, but as far as in-ring product, there's some room for improvement.
• money-making/drawing power - 10. you guys have a ton of big names. savage, rock, cena, warrior. all of these guys are household names and could really sell a show with just their names involved. also with vince involved, you are maximizing your profits and your market.
• entertainment value/promo power - 10. you have the rock. you have john cena. you have randy savage. you have guys who can carry a show without ever breaking a sweat from a physical act. then, you bring in the best heel the industry has seen in vince, and you have a show that people will tune into just to see what is going to happen next.
• longevity/potential - 9.5. i dock you a half point because you don't have a single tag team, or even anything resembling a tag division. aside from that, you guys could all do great work with one another until warrior holds you up for money and you fire him.
• total - 45/50. i'm going to watch your shows, because the names and storylines and entertainment will draw me in. you have just enough workers to keep me tuned, but some of your guys may flounder because they aren't quite up to snuff on the mic or in the ring to really be on par with the big guns you have. it'll be sink or swim for some of your guys, but i'm watching anyway.

[st0rmb11]

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st0rmb11:

• backstage/locker room chemistry - 4. shawn michaels kills you, absolutely kills you. he is, arguably, the most politically cancerous force in the last 30 years during this time period. well, either him or wcw's hogan. then, you enable him by giving him triple h, which compounds the problem. goldberg is also a problem at this point, so that's something to consider. rvd, sabu, raven and william regal's substance troubles are well known, as well, so that is a dynamic that must be considered. i think cm punk would be out of place backstage.
• work-rate/in-ring ability - 9. your main event is full of elite workers in their prime, aside from goldberg and randy orton, who i don't feel is an elite worker. he's adequate and can be carried to a very good match by the others. the rest of your roster is very strong, although i don't quite see who rikishi can work with that would mask his deficiences.
• money-making/drawing power - 7.5. despite all arguments to the contrary, hbk has never been a big draw. triple h wasn't a draw, so much as the main heel during the rock and austin's drawing days. goldberg, arguably, was as hot as anyone has ever been for his year and some change of prime, so you get credit for that. randy, while not a huge draw, is moving towards being a solid one.
• entertainment value/promo power - 9. you have a lot of entertainers and guys who can talk. whether it's punk, michaels or triple h on the stick, goldberg doing goldberg things, rvd being a cocky bastard, sabu being ridiculous or the outlaws' antics, you've got a lot here. i knock you a bit because you have a few guys who haven't quite hit their stride (kofi kingston, jack swagger, hardcore holly, test, abyss) and aren't really entertainers.
• longevity/potential - 10. as long as the backstage/locker room stuff doesn't cripple the organization and force someone important to leave, this is a company with incredible upside. while i don't think a national, mainstream-level star is going to rise out of it, it's definitely going to be a hotbed for action and innovation for a long time.
• total - 39.5/50. i'm really surprised it scored so low, because your main event is really powerful. the lack of a huge, marquee star is a bit of a hindrance, but the main thing is the backstage/chemistry stuff. if that stuff proves to not be a factor, you've got yourself an elite group. but michaels during that era was a cancer, and he's the guy you're building things around.

Ok, first off - keep in mind, I didn't draft my first 3 rounds, so I don't think you can penalize me for anyone taken in those rounds. The only real say I had in that was that I wanted to change Triple H's years (to avoid the Kliq thing going on backstage).

Second, I think you vastly overstate HBK's "cancerous" behavior backstage. Yeah, he rubbed people the wrong way, and was a prick from time to time because he refused to work with pretty much anyone besides the Kliq, but at no point did he do anything to hurt the business. He willingly dropped the belt when they asked him to (other than the Intercontinental title thing when he got suspended).HBK did pretty much anything he was asked to do for the business - how many guys do you know that could have gone through with the "Screwjob"? I also don't think Triple H is an enabler to HBK. The era in which I have Triple H, he was all about the business - whatever helped make money. If anything, I think 1999-2004 Triple H would keep HBK in line.
Not sure why you call Goldberg a problem - every interview I've ever heard with him or people that worked with him said he was all about what was best for the company, as long as it made sense. He had the one incident where he wouldn't "job" to Kevin Nash, but that was more of a product of him being frustrated with Nash booking himself to win all of the time.
The substance abuse you speak of - all I've ever heard of RVD being associated with is marijuana..and I'll not get into my thoughts on marijuana. but I will say, it never once affected his relationships with people or his in ring performances. (to my knowledge)

I also think you short changed me on the "Money Making". Shawn Michaels was a very good draw, considering he was the only real HUGE superstar in the WWF during the mid-90s. Bret was the only other big star, and he wasn't a draw at all. Not to mention, during that time the WWF was competing with a better company in WCW. Was HBK as big a draw as Stone Cold, The Rock, or Hogan? no. but who was? Goldberg will draw MORE than enough, as will all of my X-Division guys. I think you also don't give Triple H enough credit for the heat he drew from being one of the best heels of the past 30 years. Match him up with some of my big faces (Punk, HBK, Goldberg, RVD), and they combine to draw huge money.

I do appreciate you seeing the potential for a great company.

[The15thunter]

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Ok, first off - keep in mind, I didn't draft my first 3 rounds, so I don't think you can penalize me for anyone taken in those rounds. The only real say I had in that was that I wanted to change Triple H's years (to avoid the Kliq thing going on backstage).

Second, I think you vastly overstate HBK's "cancerous" behavior backstage. Yeah, he rubbed people the wrong way, and was a prick from time to time because he refused to work with pretty much anyone besides the Kliq, but at no point did he do anything to hurt the business. He willingly dropped the belt when they asked him to (other than the Intercontinental title thing when he got suspended).HBK did pretty much anything he was asked to do for the business - how many guys do you know that could have gone through with the "Screwjob"? I also don't think Triple H is an enabler to HBK. The era in which I have Triple H, he was all about the business - whatever helped make money. If anything, I think 1999-2004 Triple H would keep HBK in line.
Not sure why you call Goldberg a problem - every interview I've ever heard with him or people that worked with him said he was all about what was best for the company, as long as it made sense. He had the one incident where he wouldn't "job" to Kevin Nash, but that was more of a product of him being frustrated with Nash booking himself to win all of the time.
The substance abuse you speak of - all I've ever heard of RVD being associated with is marijuana..and I'll not get into my thoughts on marijuana. but I will say, it never once affected his relationships with people or his in ring performances. (to my knowledge)

I also think you short changed me on the "Money Making". Shawn Michaels was a very good draw, considering he was the only real HUGE superstar in the WWF during the mid-90s. Bret was the only other big star, and he wasn't a draw at all. Not to mention, during that time the WWF was competing with a better company in WCW. Was HBK as big a draw as Stone Cold, The Rock, or Hogan? no. but who was? Goldberg will draw MORE than enough, as will all of my X-Division guys. I think you also don't give Triple H enough credit for the heat he drew from being one of the best heels of the past 30 years. Match him up with some of my big faces (Punk, HBK, Goldberg, RVD), and they combine to draw huge money.

I do appreciate you seeing the potential for a great company.

1. i can't really discount your first three picks. we offered you the opportunity to start over, but you seemed cool with your picks, just wanted to tweak the years. also, they're pretty important to your company vision and direction, so i have to count them.

2. re: hbk's backstage behavior not being cancerous - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x1h1WKFK4mk - bam bam bigelow talking about how bad the kliq and hbk were.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oxJiaxK-1q8 - jim cornette talking about a bret/hbk altercation in '97.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kUZiz...eature=related - jim cornette talking about hbk destroying vader's wwe run, how he was a jerk to jose lothario, didn't job, etc..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z2n7y...eature=related - tatanka talking about how hbk screwed him out of the ic title at wrestlemania 9.

that's not including him destroying shane douglas' career, him and bret's situation, him forfeiting titles instead of losing, "losing his smile", being on drugs and pills for years including on live television, etc.

i'm a huge shawn michaels fan/mark, he was my favorite guy during the 90's and is probably my favorite guy ever. but he was a prick. a huge prick. and he basically ran the show during his time in the 90's, for better or worse. he acknowledges it, everyone there does, even vince admits it and says he would never let it happen again.

edit: from wikipedia's article on "the kliq"

"In October 1995, The Kliq complained about a decision to let Shane Douglas (wrestling as Dean Douglas) win the WWF Intercontinental Championship from Michaels at In Your House 4: Great White North.[1] Expanding upon a legit injury, Michaels was booked to forfeit the title to Douglas (sparing Michaels having to put Douglas over), but then Douglas had to lose it to fellow Kliq member Scott Hall (Razor Ramon).[1] Douglas was so enraged by the events that he threatened to sue the company and went to return to work for the rival promotion Extreme Championship Wrestling.[1]

Another incident occurred shortly after at a live event in Montreal, Quebec, Canada involving Carl Ouellet, who was working under the name Jean-Pierre Lafitte. Lafitte states he was booked to win a match against then WWF Champion Kevin Nash, in his hometown of Montreal. Shortly before the match however, the ending was changed to have Lafitte lose to Nash, which in turn created a backstage argument with Lafitte and Michaels.[4] The match between the two ended in a double-countout.[5] In his book, Michaels said that "we (The Kliq) buried him (Ouellet)" because he did not want to put Nash over. Lafitte was released soon after. Contrary to rumors, Michaels also stated that WWF Chairman Vince McMahon did not fire Lafitte.[2]

Bret Hart claims in his autobiography, Hitman, that he was actually asked if he wanted to be part of the group, as his relationship with Michaels was far less adversarial back then: "The thing I remember most about that tour was Shawn, Razor, and Nash talking to me in Hamburg about the idea of forming a clique of top guys who strictly took care of their own." Hart declined the offer.[6]"

3. indeed, you avoided having the triple h that was in direct, constant contact with michaels. and no, he isn't nearly even close to being half of what michaels was. his backstage stuff, in the time frame you have, is more political and more about getting himself ahead and in a good position. i wouldn't say he's ruining lives, careers or the company, but he's definitely looking out for himself. at this time, this is where the iwc started talking about him burying guys. now, i think some of that is hyperbole because he was an uber-heel and was doing a great job of getting over and seeming to be unbeatable. but there is merit to him winning an overwhelming majority of the time, and sometimes in situations that it doesn't make sense for him to (him going over booker t at wrestlemania 19 after making racial comments).

i will say that this triple h and that shawn michaels would be a bad dynamic, because they would still be friends, except now instead of just shawn being a top guy with trips as his mid-card underling, they're both the two most important guys in your company. shawn's still shawn, which is i talked about above, and now triple h is paired with him and looking to keep the two of them at the top at great cost. that's why i docked you for them.

4. as far as goldberg, all things i've heard about him paint him as a guy who became a mark for himself. that is to say, he expected to win and didn't really understand stories that saw him not winning. that's a product of the streak and him not really "paying his dues" because of that. i don't hold that too much against him, but he didn't really love the business, it just worked for him.

5. the other guys i listed have serious substance abuse problems, but even if we only focus on rvd, i disagree. despite your stance on marijuana, rvd and sabu were arrested in 2006 for possession. rvd was a dual champion at that time, so they had to literally hotshot two titles off of him on consecutive days to save face as he was in the process of being suspended. i would say that's a pretty serious effect.

6. bret nor shawn were draws. we laud them for their in-ring work, and they're both legendary guys in the business, but they are not huge draws in the way that we talk about huge draws. they did not have mainstream appeal, they did not get you a new fan. my girlfriend, who doesn't follow wrestling, will not know who either of them are. she will know who stone cold, hulk hogan, the rock, randy savage are. bret and shawn will get you a good main event, they might convince a fan of your product to buy a t-shirt or to buy a pay-per-view that they were iffy about, but they were not going to draw big crowds by their name or involvement alone.

goldberg is a draw, and i factored him into your score. and i give triple h credit, but i also think he was a product of being a heel during the austin/rock era.

7. your company has incredible potential and i was surprised at my own scores when i looked it over, because i expected you to be really high. it's not a knock on you, and really, it's mostly shawn's fault. if you took his second run with the wwe, your score jumps up quickly.

[OSUFan_88]

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55

• 1.Locker Room: Man, your organization does love it's drugs. While there is no Shawn Michaels or NWO Hogan in your locker room, the amount of drug abuse alone would be enough to have you one day end up in court. That being said, there won't be many fights, especially with several enforcers in your locker room, and politics would not be much of a problem either. Just...damn, the drugs man. Flair and Jake alone is enough, but then adding a Brian Pillman...yikes, watch out.
  
  2. Work Rate: The work rate here is great, actually. Some highly entertaining matches could take place, as well as the great Flair Steamboat matches being relived. Adding in guys like Low Ki, Muta, Benjamin, the Hardy Boyz, Demolition, Eddie, hell even Foley...some real solid in ring work there.
  
  3. Money Maker: Flair is a good draw in the South/NWA country, Sting is a good money maker, and Konan is a strong Mexican draw. The amount of Japanese wrestlers/Japanese inspired wrestlers would also appeal to Japan. But there is no main face on there that, to me, would appeal to the mainstream. Flair is as close as you could get, but even then he's not going to sell merch, especially since he is a heel.
  
  4. Promo Power: One of the best here. Sting is pretty good on the Mic, as is Mick Foley. But what sets you over the top is Brain and Flair. Those two by themselves make this entire organization go, with Flair being top notch as a promo man, and Brain being one of the greatest managers of all time. You man not have that Hero face, but you definitely have the Heel to Hate on the roster.
  
  5. Potential: The potential here is pretty solid. Assuming you can keep everyone in line with the drug problem and can build Sting up to be the Hero, then this organization can really take off. The good thing is, even if Sting isn't an all time great Hero, Flair and Brain could easily make him one of the top draws in the World. Combine that with some highly entertaining Tag and Japanese wrestling, and this is an organization to keep an eye on.

The15THunter

• 1. Locker Room: Best locker room. There is nothing that could happen, although who knows what could happen if Hogan let the success go to his head, and you do have a guy who is a piece of crap in Dynamite, and don't forget the crack head Piper. What you do have is a ton of guys to be either a good example or be a stiff as hell worker who will keep people in line. No one is going to mess with Vader or Angle, just like they will look up to guys like Austin and Angle.
  
  2. Work Rate: You have Kurt Angle. Does anything else need to be said? Oh it does? Then you also have Chris Benoit, Dynamite Kid, Lance Storm, Brock Lesner, Jerry Lynn, and Vader. The only problem I see is that Hogan sucks, cripple Austin isn't very good and neither is Batista.
  
  3. Money Maker: Short and sweet: You have Austin during his Austin era, you have Hulk Hogan during his Hulkamaniac era. There is nothing else that needs to be said.
  
  4. Promo Power: Austin, Heyman, Hogan, Piper, Vader, Angle, all very good on the mic. The main problem is you also have guys like Jerry Lynn, Lance Storm, Chris Benoit, Samoa Joe, Dynamite Kid, Masado Tanaka and Brock Lesner. It's a great mix of guys who can talk and guys who desperately need someone to talk for them.
  
  5. Potential: The potential here is astounding. With money makers like Austin and Hogan, you are going to bring in the casual fans. This is the company that would be rolling in money from kids and adults. I'm not sure how the balance would even out, with an attitude era star and a PG era star, but it's an enviable decision to make.

ST0RMB11

• 1. Locker Room: Dear God. As if having Goldberg, Randy Orton, the New Age Outlaws, Scott Steiner, RVD and Sabu wasn't enough, you have drugged out Shawn Michaels, probably the biggest political wrestler of all time, and Triple H, who is a close second. The locker room would be a mix of drug addicts like the NAO, RVD and Sabu, steroid users like Test, and people that would drive you up a wall like HBK, HHH, and Goldberg. Good luck handling all of that.
  
  2. Work Rate: Pretty good. RVD is usually good in the ring, as is Michaels and HHH. You also have guys like CM Punk, Jack Swagger, Booker T, AJ Styles and Christian who can work any type of match you want them to. Christopher Daniels is another good addition, while you have some solid hard core workers like Sabu, Abyss, and Raven. Your tag division is also great with the Steiners and Harlem Heat. You do have some guys who are dangerous or a botch fest waiting to happen, but it'll be entertaining no matter what.
  
  3. Money Maker: HHH, HBK and CM Punk are the guys that I think would be your best money makers. I don't see a hero in that bunch, but I do see some high quality guys that can make you hate them, like HHH, and guys like HBK who were really good either way. CM Punk is just starting out, but he is a really good anti hero. Outside of that, it's basically guys who can keep you entertained. Oh, and you have one of the biggest money makers of all time in Goldberg. He's not a money maker, but damn if he didn't move merch when he was a monster.
  
  4. Promo Power: HHH, HBK, CM Punk are all very high quality on the mic. But you get points taken away for having guys like Sabu, AJ Styles and Rikishi on the card. It's not a great bunch of talkers, but I think they could get the job done. You really could have used someone as a mouth piece here, but unfortunately, no dice. If only we had a few more rounds to draft.
  
  5. Potential: I actually see some major potential here, believe it or not. HBK, HHH, CM Punk and basically your entire midcard could bring in any niche of fan that you could possibly imagine. What I did also forget to mention is that you have the only company with divas in it, which could draw into that crowd as well. I'd say that if you could keep the locker room from being a total nightmare/disaster, this company could definitely survive in a WCW/TNA style fashion.

TheMatrix31

• 1. Locker Room: This is one weird *** locker room. You have guys like Warrior, Sheiky Baby, and Bob Backland who are bat **** crazy. You also have a drunk (Sandman), a complainer (Jeff Jarrett), and some drug users (Bulldog, Mr Perfect). All that being said, you have a guy like John Cena who is probably one of the best locker room guys in history, and you have Vince McMahon and his family, who can handle any type of locker room. Damn it if I wouldn't want to see what it is like, though. Hell, just for the chance to see BB, Warrior and Sheik all interact, I would pay money.
  
  2. Work Rate: Highly impressive. Mr. Perfect is probably one of the greatest wrestlers ever, but you follow that up with guys like Edge and The Rock who are entertaining guys, and guys like Macho Man and Taz who are really really good at what they do. You also have a great extreme division, headed by Sandman and Taz and guys who can work that style like Edge, Giant, Dreamer and even Shane Douglas. You have a ton of highly skilled workers who would mesh with each other very well.
  
  3. Money Maker: Cena and The Rock. Cena and The Rock. Did I mention Cena and The Rock? Oh, and Vince. Yep. That's really all that needs to be said about this company. Two huge Hero's that either side of the crowd can latch on to, and one of the biggest Villains in Wrestling History with Vince McMahon. You also have, like I said, some extreme wrestling which markets to a certain crowd, and like I said earlier, you have guys like Warrior, Bob Backlund, and Sheik who are fun to watch.
  
  4. Promo Power: Once again, Cena and The Rock. The Rock is arguably one of the best promo guys ever, along with Flair and Hogan. You follow that up with one of the most marketable kids heroes with Cena. You also have guys like Sandman, Dreamer, Mr. Perfect, Edge, Savage, The Miz, and ADR. Some awesome promo work is going on there. Oh, and once again, you have guys that I would pay to see give a promo, not because they are good at it, but because they are ****ing nuts.
  
  5. Potential: Huge potential. Mr. Perfect is one of the best non champions of all time. Macho Man is one of the most marketable guys of all time. The Rock? Please. John Cena? Please! You have wrestling lifers as well, like Edge, like Fit Finlay, like Bob Backlund. This is probably the best built company out of all of ours. It's not because you have the best workers, or the best locker room, or the best villains or heels, or whatever. This is a company that I believe, in the end, would be able to rival anyone. It has anything and plain and simple, it would be an absolute BLAST to watch on TV.

My Rankings:
1. Matrix
2. The15THunter
3. 55
4. Stromb
5. OSUFan

[The15thunter]

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no love for 55's company?

[55]

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no love for 55's company?

Expected. Nobody loves a smark!

[55]

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OSUFan_88 -

backstage/locker room chemistry - 7

The only thing I am really not comfortable with here is having three "Kliq" members in one locker room. Other than that, it's not bad at all. I just shudder to think at some of the politics behind the scenes with those three. Especially with Cornette in control since it is widely known that he HATES those guys.

work-rate/in-ring ability - 10

This is an organization for real wrestling fans. You've got about 5 of the best 20 pure wrestlers of all time on your roster and a few potential guys that could also end up on there. Great matches galore.

money-making/drawing power - 7

Having Bret Hart as the face of your organization isn't the best way to make money (ask Vince McMahon) but you do have some guys to draw money from foreign countries as well. Not bad, but could be better.

entertainment value/promo power - 8

Having a wide array of managers along with Jim Ross calling the action certainly helps, but other than Y2J your roster really lacks the ability to cut great promos. However, with the ability that most of your guys have to tell a story inside the ring I can't go any lower than 8 here regardless of the lackluster mic ability all around.

longevity/potential - 10

I am on Cloud 9 just thinking about the possible matches and feuds you could create with your roster of world class wrestlers. The possibilities are endless and you did great job assembling this group. Everyone has their own tastes, but this product would be right up my alley.

Overall - 42/50

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The15thunter -

backstage/locker room chemistry - 9

You get docked a point just for having Dynamite Kid but other than that I see no real problems here.

work-rate/in-ring ability - 9

You also have some of the best ever on here, but you do have some mediocre guys as well.

money-making/drawing power - 10

Hulkamania and Austin 3:16 on the same roster. That is all.

entertainment value/promo power - 9

Just like your in-ring rating, you have some great promo guys but a few absolutely terrible ones too.

longevity/potential - 7

I think this is the only place where your organization is truly lacking. Sure, I see a lot of good pairings and ideas to start with, but after a few years I can't really see a lot of these guys playing off of different ones. How many times can we possibly have Hogan/Austin or Angle/Lesnar (okay, Benoit or Joe can work with either of them too) before they move on to less interesting opponents? There is also a lack of youth across the board. I might be alone, but after a few years this organization, as great as it may be, would begin to get a bit stale to me.

Overall - 44/50

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st0rmb11 -

backstage/locker room chemistry - 0

Spoiler

work-rate/in-ring ability - 9

With a few exceptions (Goldberg and Orton) you are extremely solid across the board here.

money-making/drawing power - 8

No elite draws here, but you have enough solid ones that it would pretty much even out in the end.

entertainment value/promo power - 9

A few really good talkers, a few average ones and a few not so good ones. Besides talking though, a lot of these guys tell great stories in the ring which ties into both in-ring ability and this category as well. Bonus points for having an X Division, real tag team wrestling and some eye candy as well.

longevity/potential - 9

A lot of these guys could feud with one another but there are a few sticks in the mud. Plus, while having the chicks on your roster helps you in initial entertainment value, are the same two supposed to battle each other for the rest of their careers? Overall, you can do a lot with this roster, supposing some of them don't quit due to the politicians and addicts in the locker room.

Overall - 35/50

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TheMatrix31 -

backstage/locker room chemistry - 8

A few bad apples, but overall it looks like heaven compared to the last one.

work-rate/in-ring ability - 7

A few all time greats, but some total disasters too.

money-making/drawing power - 10

This organization prints money.

entertainment value/promo power - 10

A nice group of elite promo guys here and even the midcard guys aren't bad. Warrior is unintentionally awesome.

longevity/potential - 8

With Vince in control, he could do a lot with a group like this. The only thing that hurts, in my opinion, is the steep drop off in work rate after the top tier guys. Plus, having no tag team division to speak of kind of sucks but having a lot of youth really helps.

Overall - 43/50

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Final rankings -

1. The15thunter
2. TheMatrix31
3. OSUFan_88
4. st0rmb11