Raw 04/08/13 - The champ IS here...you CAN see him!

[BDKiiing]

Re: Raw 04/08/13 - The champ IS here...you CAN see him!

We get to hear the bitching about Punk not being champion right now. Plus we'll still get some Dwayne shots fired throughout. Oh if there's one thing there's no shortage of in internet wrestling discussions, it's things to bitch about.

It's been 10 weeks since Punk hasn't been champ, we've accepted it.

The only bitching, is you guys bitching about us bitching, even though we aren't even bitching.

[JazzMan]

Re: Raw 04/08/13 - The champ IS here...you CAN see him!

A grand total of like 2 heels won tonight.

I don't want to live on this world anymore...

[TracerBullet]

Re: Raw 04/08/13 - The champ IS here...you CAN see him!

A grand total of like 2 heels won tonight.

I don't want to live on this world anymore...

Miz, The Shield, Henry, Bryan & Kane, Fandango, Del Rio, Undertaker, HHH, Cena

3 matches won by Heels

But it was 5 heels winning tonight compared to 7 faces. Much better than most nights imo.

[JazzMan]

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Miz, The Shield, Henry, Bryan & Kane, Fandango, Del Rio, Undertaker, HHH, Cena

3 matches won by Heels

But it was 5 heels winning tonight compared to 7 faces. Much better than most nights imo.

But those 3 matches had no relevance on anything in the WWE.

Mark Henry beats Ryback? Oh well, Henry might get a title shot one day, which he'll lose, while Ryback continues to... be Ryback.

You can talk about how The Shield and Fandango needed to win, I agree with that. But does it really matter?

The faces won every title match, including the pre-show IC match. 'Taker won again. Cena/Rock ended up with the champion remaining a face.

You can't take heels seriously anymore and it's a damn shame.

[Ice_Cold345]

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But those 3 matches had no relevance on anything in the WWE.

Mark Henry beats Ryback? Oh well, Henry might get a title shot one day, which he'll lose, while Ryback continues to... be Ryback.

You can talk about how The Shield and Fandango needed to win, I agree with that. But does it really matter?

The faces won every title match, including the pre-show IC match. 'Taker won again. Cena/Rock ended up with the champion remaining a face.

You can't take heels seriously anymore and it's a damn shame.

It doesn't help that most heels are booked terribly and many of them are so similar it's quite sad. Everyone wanted to do the Jericho suit gimmick when they turned heel (see The Miz) or they are chicken heel or cheat/run away in every match (see The Miz again). It sucks that only Henry and Big Show have become the dominant heel guy who is a force by winning clean, for the most part. They need to learn that it's ok for heels to win clean to put them over. Seriously, Barrett's gimmick basically says he should win clean a lot (bare knuckle brawler just sounds like a rough guy.) Also, heels tend to be better fleshed out characters overall rather then faces always being "I did it for duh people" as Rikishi would say.

Oh well, I wonder what Punk will do now, along with Cena? Punk/Cena has been done, and as much as I love Punk, I'm done with them feuding for now. There really aren't that many top heel guys to face Cena (assuming Rock leaves.) Brock could come to mind (another rematch for Cena at the same event) or maybe someone from the Shield? It will be an interesting RAW for the top guys at least.

I just want to know if there will be a "shocker/surprise" this year to kick off the "new year" like Lesnar last year and Rock/Cena I announcement.

Also, I'm shocked that Extreme Rules isn't until May 19th. So, this RAW will be interesting if anything is set up at all.

[Redacted01]

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Raw threads from here on out about to be 4-8 pages shorter than they were for the last 3 months.

Much like with the ratings, there wasn't THAT much increase just because Dwayne was back. And with the old school Raw, Triple H, Lesnar, Undertaker, etc... that probably had as much effect the past month or so than anything else.

And like Goh said, most of the event was predictable. I said it weeks ago and last night made it clear; and I'm curious to see where they go with the championship picture, but outside of that, there is little now. I said it before and I didn't end up doing it because my DVR was crammed, but Wrestlemania just confirmed that if I can just predict the result weeks in advance, why watch it live every week? It is fun participating in these threads, though, so we'll see. Watching it a day or two late and fast forwarding, you can't quite do it.

[TheShizNo1]

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Will have to catch this tomorrow. GO BLUE!

[orion523]

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I think the problem believe it or not is the ever looming shadow of the Attitude Era and the superstars from that time who refuse to....well go away. They've had their time, and it was incredible, something this era could probably never live up to(or any era for that matter) especially with the PG thing, but it's over. At least it should be, but they continue to come back, and come back, and come back, part time mind you and stifle whatever direction the company could otherwise go in. Without these guys in the picture WWE would finally be forced to move on, and push their new talent, create new rivalries, create a new era. Right now they just seem to be stuck in this sort of limbo because they're trying to appease these legends(and their fans) at the expense of the current roster. It would be one thing if they came back to get the current talent over, but that's not happening(besides Jericho) no they need to win championships, defend mythic streaks and get revenge on monsters. I understand everyone loves nostalgia, but there does come a time when the nostalgia become intrusive, and does more harm than good.

[kingkilla56]

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I cant wait for Punk to be back in the title picture. Hip hip hooray...barf.

[Beantown]

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I cant wait for Punk to be back in the title picture. Hip hip hooray...barf.

"Now that Dwaaaaayne is gone, off to Hollywood or wherever to promote the Footh Fairy Four: The Tooth Fairy Fights Back, maybe the Best in the World can finally get the respect he deserves."

[Redacted01]

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I cant wait for Punk to be back in the title picture. Hip hip hooray...barf.

Which means you approve of Rock or Cena as champion... so much better!

[kingkilla56]

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Which means you approve of Rock or Cena as champion... so much better!

Is that what that means? I just dont want to hear Punk's **** around the title anytime soon.

[TheShizNo1]

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Is that what that means? I just dont want to hear Punk's **** around the title anytime soon.

Those two have produced magic when they interact. I welcome it. What they offer has been far better from what we've got from the title for the last 4-6 months.

[King_B_Mack]

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Yep, 434 days of Punk whining about respect in every single promo yet we sit around bitching about Cena saying the same thing this Wrestlemania build up as last years.

I like Punk but the Internet makes me hate that dude so much.

[kingkilla56]

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We all want something different and new, unless Punk is involved.

Ive seen Punk and Cena, alot. I want to see Punk do other stuff. He was good with Taker, make him build someone else up with a good feud. Plus if Punk feuds with Cena right out the gate who would really think Punk would win? I thought we were tired of predictability...unless Punk is involved.