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  • woody2goody
    MVP
    • Mar 2009
    • 2097

    #1

    The Sad Tale of Barrett and Cesaro

    Wade Barrett's Intercontinental Championship reign, and before him, Antonio Cesaro's run with the United States Championship were/are synonymous with one thing - losing.

    I may be reading far too much into things, but both these guys are terrific wrestlers who developed very little credibility against good opposition. Both looked unstoppable against guys like Gabriel and Ryder, but their combined win-loss record against Orton and Sheamus alone must be nearing 2-30 or something ridiculous like that.

    I realise champions in wrestling compete a lot more than in 'real sports' such as boxing, but not only would they not be champions in a real sport with records like that, they may not even be professional fighters any more with those kind of win-loss numbers.

    The perplexing thing for me is that - and these two are the biggest examples - WWE refuses to put anyone over their upper-midcarders, specifically Randy Orton and Sheamus ironically. Orton and Sheamus have been there long enough, and won enough titles that they don't need to be protected with booking decisions every single week.

    Someone said this week that Del Rio and Big E's series of matches doesn't mean anything because they are trading wins, well to be honest it means a damn sight more than Barrett winning 1 out of 5 against Sheamus, or Orton having a 7-0 record against Cesaro.

    Del Rio and Langston (who have been gelling together extremely well IMO) look evenly matched without either of them looking invincible, and to me that is great booking. It keeps Del Rio strong as Langston is a beast, and Big E looks good because Del Rio is strong.

    It's not good enough any more to have guys like Barrett, Cesaro and to a lesser extent Kofi beating up Sheamus/Orton etc for most of the match only to lose. They have to win some otherwise they lose all credibility.

    This is happening with Ryback to some extent. Batters Ryder, puts Kingston in hospital and throws Bryan through a table, but against Cena, CM Punk and even The Shield he has failed to win on PPV or on TV with any regularity, and that's why I find it hard to believe that they will give him the belt at Payback. He has win one sooner or later but they've built him to be scared of Cena for instance.

    I realise there has to be winners and losers most of the time, but at least make it believable WWE, because when you push Cesaro, Barrett or Sandow (another Sheamus bullying victim) to a World Title, you will wonder why the fans don't get it, because like Swagger, Bryan and Ziggler before them, they too have lost to the same people, and won a WHC with little credibility over the top guys.

    And by the way, I like Sheamus and Orton as wrestlers, but how they are booked is horrible (Christian 5-day title reign, and D-Bry 18 second Mania match anyone?), and this takes away from their ability to be honest. If they were in the title picture I could understand them dominating mid-card champions most of the time, but not when they are in meaningless feuds not involving a strap.

    What do you guys think?
    Last edited by woody2goody; 06-04-2013, 09:31 PM.
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  • Bellsprout
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    • Oct 2009
    • 25652

    #2
    Re: The Sad Tale of Barrett and Cesaro

    I think Cesaro bores the **** out of me.

    I'll be alone on that here, but judging by crowd reactions on TV I don't think I'm alone on that in general.

    I don't really see it with Barrett either, frankly.
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    • IlliniM1ke
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      • Feb 2003
      • 8082

      #3
      Re: The Sad Tale of Barrett and Cesaro

      I love Cesaro although mostly for his in ring ability which isn't always enough.

      Barrett I like as well but it's pretty clear the WWE doesn't have big plans for him either with how little they've done with him as IC champ and it looking like he'll be dropping the belt to Fandango at Payback.
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      • philliesfan136
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        • Feb 2011
        • 4263

        #4
        Re: The Sad Tale of Barrett and Cesaro

        Originally posted by CardsFan27
        I love Cesaro although mostly for his in ring ability which isn't always enough.

        Barrett I like as well but it's pretty clear the WWE doesn't have big plans for him either with how little they've done with him as IC champ and it looking like he'll be dropping the belt to Fandango at Payback.
        I think the one glimmer of hope (I like both Cesaro and Barrett also) is that maybe the WWE is saving them because they consider them future stars, but like Rhodes/Ziggler/etc they are young enough that their pushes will be held off until the older guys retire.
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        • TheMatrix31
          RF
          • Jul 2002
          • 52920

          #5
          Re: The Sad Tale of Barrett and Cesaro

          Cesaro and Barrett would be pretty good as a tag team. Push the Euro elitism to the hilt and you might have something there. It's safe, traditional stuff.

          Bottom line is that there's too much talent on the roster. Tough to have time for everyone, develop proper things for everyone, etc. Kinda sucks to intro new guys all the time (Axel, Wyatt, etc) when there's all this talent languishing.

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          • BunnyHardaway
            Banned
            • Nov 2004
            • 15195

            #6
            Re: The Sad Tale of Barrett and Cesaro

            Barrett should've beaten Orton for the title at some point in 2010 during the Nexus run...he's not ruined, but they missed the boat there big time.

            Cesaro doesn't seem like main eventer material to me.

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            • SmashMan
              All Star
              • Dec 2004
              • 9736

              #7
              Re: The Sad Tale of Barrett and Cesaro

              Originally posted by JJLinn
              Barrett should've beaten Orton for the title at some point in 2010 during the Nexus run...he's not ruined, but they missed the boat there big time.
              Like maybe...Survivor Series? Such a wasted opportunity.

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              • kingkilla56
                Hall Of Fame
                • Jun 2009
                • 19395

                #8
                Re: The Sad Tale of Barrett and Cesaro

                I wouldnt shed a tear if I never saw Barrett again.

                Cesaro has all the ring talent in the world. The man just isnt a heel. I think his tag partner whos stuck at NXT could help him on the heel front... if they were a tag team.
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                • woody2goody
                  MVP
                  • Mar 2009
                  • 2097

                  #9
                  Re: The Sad Tale of Barrett and Cesaro

                  Originally posted by SmashMan
                  Like maybe...Survivor Series? Such a wasted opportunity.
                  Yeah, but at the time it seemed like Orton could do no wrong, the story could have been: Barrett wins title at SS, then beats another face in December, then D-Bry come along at the Royal Rumble, wanting revenge for being kicked out of the group and there you have it.

                  Barrett had tons of heat when he was in Nexus, he just doesn't seem to get that now. However, if like I said in the first post, they could start giving him wins over good opposition, then he would slowly get that back.

                  To me Cesaro is the opposite of boring but each to their own I suppose. I sometimes think with him, that fans don't want to boo him because he's so good in the ring, and he's not quite heelish enough to build up the hatred if that makes sense. Again though, some wins over the likes of Orton and Sheamus would surely get that heat back.

                  Think how brutal a 3 or 5-match run between Cesaro and Sheamus would be, they could have some great matches, and give Cesaro the chance to do some promos and build his character.

                  All this applies to Sandow as well. I hope they give him a chance when he faces Sheamus, probably at Payback.
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                  • goh
                    Banned
                    • Aug 2003
                    • 20755

                    #10
                    Re: The Sad Tale of Barrett and Cesaro

                    Originally posted by TheMatrix31
                    Bottom line is that there's too much talent on the roster.
                    Too bad they don't use it.
                    This is far more important:

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                    • wwefan
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                      • Feb 2013
                      • 536

                      #11
                      Re: The Sad Tale of Barrett and Cesaro

                      Originally posted by goh
                      Too bad they don't use it.
                      This is far more important:

                      Not being funny why is people like Khali still in the business he lacks everything including entertainment factor. There is other talent that could of filled that slot even far better jobbers lol if you know what I mean. Think WWE used Wade and Cesaro badly like they have done with many other people.

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                      • TheShizNo1
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                        • Mar 2007
                        • 26341

                        #12
                        Re: The Sad Tale of Barrett and Cesaro

                        Originally posted by TheMatrix31
                        Cesaro and Barrett would be pretty good as a tag team. Push the Euro elitism to the hilt and you might have something there. It's safe, traditional stuff.

                        Bottom line is that there's too much talent on the roster. Tough to have time for everyone, develop proper things for everyone, etc. Kinda sucks to intro new guys all the time (Axel, Wyatt, etc) when there's all this talent languishing.
                        So......the brand split wasn't a bad thing after all. When it was used correctly, of course.
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                        • TheMatrix31
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                          • Jul 2002
                          • 52920

                          #13
                          Re: The Sad Tale of Barrett and Cesaro

                          Originally posted by TheShizNo1
                          So......the brand split wasn't a bad thing after all. When it was used correctly, of course.
                          Not necessarily. The brand split sucked. The overall talent pool just needed and needs to be drastically cut down.

                          I couldn't stand that artificial split. Not like Raw and Smackdown were actually different federations competing with each other. It was just....ugh.

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                          • goh
                            Banned
                            • Aug 2003
                            • 20755

                            #14
                            Re: The Sad Tale of Barrett and Cesaro

                            Originally posted by wwefan
                            Not being funny why is people like Khali still in the business he lacks everything including entertainment factor. There is other talent that could of filled that slot even far better jobbers lol if you know what I mean. Think WWE used Wade and Cesaro badly like they have done with many other people.
                            Well he's still around because apparently he's a big deal in India.

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                            • woody2goody
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                              • Mar 2009
                              • 2097

                              #15
                              Originally posted by TheMatrix31
                              Not necessarily. The brand split sucked. The overall talent pool just needed and needs to be drastically cut down.

                              I couldn't stand that artificial split. Not like Raw and Smackdown were actually different federations competing with each other. It was just....ugh.
                              I agree on that point, but the brand split made sense when Raw wasn't being pushed far infront of Smackdown.

                              These days most talents are on both shows which does take away chances for others to impress.

                              For instance I can guarantee you that guys like Alex Riley and Curt Hawkins would not have been stupidly underused if the brand split was still in effect.
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