WWE 2K14 Phenom Edition Features Undertaker and More For $99

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Not to be overly critical, but was t his hair short most of that gimmick

He didn't really have short hair until he started his respect gimmick. He had long hair all the way through the WWF vs. Alliance storyline. He cut it by Vengeance and they were talking about him demanding respect. He was still the American Bad *** I guess, but he wasn't face any more. In May he got the new theme and was "Big Evil" by then. So for at least 2/3 of the "American Bad ***", he had long hair.

[Cubs4Life]

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So, you hate who he is outside of wrestling, because that's what that "gimmick" was.

He was out due to an injury and was going to retire from wrestling because of Owen Hart's death, and he told Vince he didn't want to be the "Deadman" anymore because of the death. He said the only way he wouldn't retire is if he could change his gimmick and they come up with.. Just be you.

I know I don't hate who he is outside the ring and I don't think anyone does. Just why couldn't he be called the American Bad *** or Mark Calaway? He didn't look like the Undertaker during that time so why ruin the mystique of The Undertaker by making him human as Biker Taker. If they wanted to do so he still could have been The Undertaker for Mania. Just one match dressed up as the real Undertaker for those Mania's. After all during the Biker years he has a shirt that said Deadman Inc. So he didn't wanna be the Deadman but still was considered that anyway. At least as the ABA or Mark he would be different. His finisher was the different anyways. He only pulled off the tombstone during Mania.

[jyoung]

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Missed opportunity to include a lifesize Yoshihiko doll and Yoshihiko match DVD.

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For sure, that would've pushed their pre-order numbers over the top.

[cubsfan203]

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You could probably just sell the autograph and recoup a lot of the extra money you'd be paying.

[alifeincomplete]

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So, you hate who he is outside of wrestling, because that's what that "gimmick" was.

He was out due to an injury and was going to retire from wrestling because of Owen Hart's death, and he told Vince he didn't want to be the "Deadman" anymore because of the death. He said the only way he wouldn't retire is if he could change his gimmick and they come up with.. Just be you.

No need to go on the offensive. I didn't know the back story of it, but it still doesn't change my opinion of it.

[King_B_Mack]

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As long as (and I'm sure it won't be) that's not his only attire (easily his stupidest gimmick, in my opinion; a total farce, really), I'm okay with this. I won't pay a penny for it, but I don't begrudge those who want to. I think more commemorative versions of games should come out.

Really? This is Yukes we're talking about here. I fully expect that to be his only attire. They're real good at pulling stuff like that.

I know I don't hate who he is outside the ring and I don't think anyone does. Just why couldn't he be called the American Bad *** or Mark Calaway? He didn't look like the Undertaker during that time so why ruin the mystique of The Undertaker by making him human as Biker Taker. If they wanted to do so he still could have been The Undertaker for Mania. Just one match dressed up as the real Undertaker for those Mania's. After all during the Biker years he has a shirt that said Deadman Inc. So he didn't wanna be the Deadman but still was considered that anyway. At least as the ABA or Mark he would be different. His finisher was the different anyways. He only pulled off the tombstone during Mania.

You realize that your argument there is pretty much the same thing for your whole premise? The "mystique" of the Undertaker would be ruined regardless the second he stepped through the curtain without the gong or the outfit. Whether he was Mark Calaway or not people were going to only see him as the Undertaker.

[Cubs4Life]

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Quote: Orignally Posted by King_B_Mack You realize that your argument there is pretty much the same thing for your whole premise? The "mystique" of the Undertaker would be ruined regardless the second he stepped through the curtain without the gong or the outfit. Whether he was Mark Calaway or not people were going to only see him as the Undertaker.[/QUOTE]

Not as much since he didn't dress like the Undertaker. People change gimmicks all the time. Mick Foley was Mankind, Dude Love, and Cactus Jack. Not much changed except his clothes but people weren't calling him Mankind when he was Dude or Jack. Sure you would have some in the beginning that would say hey that's The Undertaker, but he dressed up as a biker and didn't look or act like The Undertaker that we knew. He never sat up after a move. Chokeslams and big boots have been done by plenty of big men. The announcers wouldn't call him Deadman or any Taker reference. As time went on people would except him as the ABA or Mark until he would wear the Undertaker gear again.

[King_B_Mack]

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Not as much since he didn't dress like the Undertaker. People change gimmicks all the time. Mick Foley was Mankind, Dude Love, and Cactus Jack. Not much changed except his clothes but people weren't calling him Mankind when he was Dude or Jack. Sure you would have some in the beginning that would say hey that's The Undertaker, but he dressed up as a biker and didn't look or act like The Undertaker that we knew. He never sat up after a move. Chokeslams and big boots have been done by plenty of big men. The announcers wouldn't call him Deadman or any Taker reference. As time went on people would except him as the ABA or Mark until he would wear the Undertaker gear again.

Pretty much disagree with all this. Yes people change gimmicks all the time, but the Undertaker and that gimmick isn't 'people.' At the time he was already ten years into being the Undertaker, he was known for pretty much that gimmick and that gimmick only. Foley isn't a good example because people knew him from ECW and elsewhere as Cactus Jack. The Mankind character didn't have near the history that Undertaker did. Hell his gimmick was having the Three Faces of Foley. It's a stretch to say 'look how this worked out for Mankind, it'd work for Taker too.' The situations aren't the same. Trying to rename Mark just wouldn't have cut it. Nobody would have accepted that, I'm sorry.

[PantherBeast_OS]

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You could probably just sell the autograph and recoup a lot of the extra money you'd be paying.

I really don't think Taker would sign like 10,000+ autographs. I'm sure most of them will be auto sign by a machine. Then 2k will advertise as it been signed by the Taker. I could be wrong. But I got a strong feeling the photo will be auto sign by a machine. So the Photo and auto ain't worth the paper it is printed on. Again I could be wrong tho.

[Cubs4Life]

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Pretty much disagree with all this. Yes people change gimmicks all the time, but the Undertaker and that gimmick isn't 'people.' At the time he was already ten years into being the Undertaker, he was known for pretty much that gimmick and that gimmick only. Foley isn't a good example because people knew him from ECW and elsewhere as Cactus Jack. The Mankind character didn't have near the history that Undertaker did. Hell his gimmick was having the Three Faces of Foley. It's a stretch to say 'look how this worked out for Mankind, it'd work for Taker too.' The situations aren't the same. Trying to rename Mark just wouldn't have cut it. Nobody would have accepted that, I'm sorry.

It's fine to disagree and we will never know if it would have worked anyway, but to be honest. He did change his gimmick just not his name. The Undertaker is the undead and biker taker was human. As I said before he didn't do any Undertaker taunts except for cut throat which others do too and he did a different version as biker taker. He didn't do the darkness choke or darkness pin as biker taker. He had no special powers and didn't dress like The Undertaker. The only thing he had the same was his name. To say nobody would have accepted it we will never know but my friends and I didn't accept the biker taker cause it made him human and ruin what he was. I'm sure we are not the only ones who felt and feel that way about those years. After all The Undertaker gimmick will go down as the greatest gimmick of all time cause it was never seen or done before, but not the biker version.

[alifeincomplete]

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Really? This is Yukes we're talking about here. I fully expect that to be his only attire. They're real good at pulling stuff like that.

Uh, did we play the same WWE '13? There are three versions of him in that game. What makes you think that there won't be more than one in this?