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  • DJ
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    • Apr 2003
    • 17756

    #6736
    Re: WWE Network Discussion Thread

    Originally posted by ProfessaPackMan
    Wrestlemania X-7 could’ve been a perfect 10 and would’ve been probably the greatest WM ever if it wasn’t for having Austin turn heel and join forces with McMahon.

    Out of all the years I’ve been watching WWF(E), that’s still one of the most ridiculous, stupid and pointless things I’ve ever seen.


    I loved the whole show and there wasn’t really a bad match on the card but that one moment right there just left a real bad taste in my mouth, lol.
    WWE hasn't been the same since that heel turn. They've had flashes of brilliance, but so many missed opportunities.
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    • reyes the roof
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      • Mar 2009
      • 11526

      #6737
      Re: WWE Network Discussion Thread

      Originally posted by ProfessaPackMan
      #FreeTaker

      ABA Taker is the best, man. Especially since they actually let my man be himself. I would’ve loved to see him on Sons of Anarchy.

      Vince out here using fake Police though, lol.


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      I loved the build to HHH and The American Badass for WM 17, with Kane threatening to throw Stephanie off the catwalk backstage when Regal wouldn't make the match


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      • King_B_Mack
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        • Jan 2009
        • 24450

        #6738
        Re: WWE Network Discussion Thread

        Originally posted by ProfessaPackMan
        Wrestlemania X-7 could’ve been a perfect 10 and would’ve been probably the greatest WM ever if it wasn’t for having Austin turn heel and join forces with McMahon.

        Out of all the years I’ve been watching WWF(E), that’s still one of the most ridiculous, stupid and pointless things I’ve ever seen.


        I loved the whole show and there wasn’t really a bad match on the card but that one moment right there just left a real bad taste in my mouth, lol.


        I disagree. I think it's still the best Wrestlemania they've done to this date and I don't think the heel turn was stupid or pointless. I think what ended up hurting Austin's heel run was first Triple H's injury ruining the story they were building to and second turning him more into a comedic character after the injury to Triple H.

        The turn definitely wasn't pointless because The Rock had overtaken him in popularity at that point, so it made sense to try to work The Rock/Austin story from the other side since we'd already seen it twice with Rock as the heel and then with them both as face going into that Mania.


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        • ProfessaPackMan
          Bamma
          • Mar 2008
          • 63852

          #6739
          Re: WWE Network Discussion Thread

          Nah, it was pointless and dumb and I didn’t like it.

          And I didn’t say it wasn’t the best, just said that it would’ve been a 10 from me if that moment didn’t happen and would’ve cemented itself as THE best, whereas now it’s one of the best 1 or 2 others having an argument.


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          • TheShizNo1
            Asst 2 the Comm Manager
            • Mar 2007
            • 26341

            #6740
            Re: WWE Network Discussion Thread

            There was absolutely no reason to include shenanigans in that match and no ****ing reason ever for SCSA and McMahon to join forces.

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            • Rocky
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              • Jul 2002
              • 6896

              #6741
              Re: WWE Network Discussion Thread

              Originally posted by TheShizNo1
              There was absolutely no reason to include shenanigans in that match and no ****ing reason ever for SCSA and McMahon to join forces.

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              Shenanigans are a part of pro wrestling especially during that era. It only made sense for it's biggest match to end like that.
              "Maybe I can't win. But to beat me, he's going to have to kill me. And to kill me, he's gonna have to have the heart to stand in front of me. And to do that, he's got to be willing to die himself. I don't know if he's ready to do that."
              -Rocky Balboa

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              • King_B_Mack
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                • Jan 2009
                • 24450

                #6742
                Re: WWE Network Discussion Thread

                Originally posted by ProfessaPackMan
                Nah, it was pointless and dumb and I didn’t like it.

                And I didn’t say it wasn’t the best, just said that it would’ve been a 10 from me if that moment didn’t happen and would’ve cemented itself as THE best, whereas now it’s one of the best 1 or 2 others having an argument.


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                Yeah I get you were saying to you, just saying I disagree. Also you said it "would have been a perfect 10 and would've probably been the greatest WM ever if it wasn't.." the way that's worded is hardly saying it's the best and would have cemented itself that way. That reads as it's not the best because that happened. But it's all subjective anyway so no big deal.

                Originally posted by TheShizNo1
                There was absolutely no reason to include shenanigans in that match and no ****ing reason ever for SCSA and McMahon to join forces.

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                Nobody is immune from a heel turn in wrestling (except John Cena). If you're turning Austin heel, that's literally the only way to realistically doing it, aligning him with McMahon. What else could you do, have him beat the holy hell out of all the faces on the roster? He already does that every week and gets cheered for it. Hulk Hogan turned heel and it was one of the best moves of his career and made one of the best heel characters in the history of the business. It was the right idea, it just didn't work out in the long run due to circumstances.



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                • TheShizNo1
                  Asst 2 the Comm Manager
                  • Mar 2007
                  • 26341

                  #6743
                  Re: WWE Network Discussion Thread

                  Why did he need to go heel?

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                  • King_B_Mack
                    All Star
                    • Jan 2009
                    • 24450

                    #6744
                    Re: WWE Network Discussion Thread

                    Originally posted by TheShizNo1
                    Why did he need to go heel?

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                    Hasn't this been covered already? He felt he needed to do it. Vince likes to do big stuff at Wrestlemania and Austin came to him with a heel turn idea. Rock was the biggest face in the company at that point and I'm sure they had eyes on the following Wrestlemania with Rock and Austin in the main event for the first time with the roles flipped or possibly even for Summerslam knowing Rock would be back for the big revenge against Austin and McMahon angle payoff. Plans clearly changed because Triple H's leg exploded, Chris Benoit broke his neck and Buff Bagwell got turned lose on a live Raw broadcast that ruined the plans for WCW.


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                    • TheShizNo1
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                      • Mar 2007
                      • 26341

                      #6745
                      Re: WWE Network Discussion Thread

                      So just because lol

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                      Originally posted by Mo
                      Just once I'd like to be the one they call a jerk off.
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                      • King_B_Mack
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                        • Jan 2009
                        • 24450

                        #6746
                        Re: WWE Network Discussion Thread

                        Okay let's go with that then. Why didn't he need to turn heel?


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                        • TheShizNo1
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                          • Mar 2007
                          • 26341

                          #6747
                          Re: WWE Network Discussion Thread

                          Originally posted by King_B_Mack
                          Okay let's go with that then. Why didn't he need to turn heel?


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                          Nah, not playing that game lol. Y'all couldn't give a viable answer outside of it be wrestling and/or **** happens. Your example of Hulk doesn't work because his act was beyond stale at the time. People calling for Cena to be heel because his act was stale. SCSA was still getting some of the biggest pops consistently at the time. It really wasn't necessary. Especially to align him with McMahon.

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                          Originally posted by Mo
                          Just once I'd like to be the one they call a jerk off.
                          Originally posted by Mo
                          You underestimate my laziness
                          Originally posted by Mo
                          **** ya


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                          • DJ
                            Hall Of Fame
                            • Apr 2003
                            • 17756

                            #6748
                            Re: WWE Network Discussion Thread

                            Originally posted by King_B_Mack
                            Hasn't this been covered already? He felt he needed to do it. Vince likes to do big stuff at Wrestlemania and Austin came to him with a heel turn idea. Rock was the biggest face in the company at that point and I'm sure they had eyes on the following Wrestlemania with Rock and Austin in the main event for the first time with the roles flipped or possibly even for Summerslam knowing Rock would be back for the big revenge against Austin and McMahon angle payoff. Plans clearly changed because Triple H's leg exploded, Chris Benoit broke his neck and Buff Bagwell got turned lose on a live Raw broadcast that ruined the plans for WCW.


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                            Rock wasn't the biggest face in the company, though. Sure, he was when Austin was gone but once Austin returned in late 2000, Austin was the top babyface. Plus, WWE knew Rock was leaving to go film a movie right after WM, so the timing of the turn didn't really make sense because Rock wasn't going to be set up to try and get revenge for Austin and McMahon's actions.

                            So, Austin turning essentially took away WWE's two-biggest babyfaces in one night. That doesn't make a whole lotta sense.
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                            • King_B_Mack
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                              • Jan 2009
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                              #6749
                              WWE Network Discussion Thread

                              Originally posted by DJ
                              Rock wasn't the biggest face in the company, though. Sure, he was when Austin was gone but once Austin returned in late 2000, Austin was the top babyface. Plus, WWE knew Rock was leaving to go film a movie right after WM, so the timing of the turn didn't really make sense because Rock wasn't going to be set up to try and get revenge for Austin and McMahon's actions.



                              So, Austin turning essentially took away WWE's two-biggest babyfaces in one night. That doesn't make a whole lotta sense.

                              The Rock was definitely the biggest face of the company in 2001. I remember during the time and I just finished watching all of 2001. He was consistently out popping Austin. Now don't get me wrong I'm not saying Austin wasn't still over because he was. He was clearly the second biggest guy out there. It's just that time he missed allowed Rock to overtake him.

                              As for the timing of the turn of course it makes sense. They knew when Rock was coming back, he left after Mania, the *** whooping he took and the way he was written out allowed there to be heat built for his return to television to get revenge. In the meantime Austin would keep building his heel profile against the Undertakers, Kane's, Jericho and Benoits and it was clear they were building a split between he and Triple H to establish Austin as a sneaky backstabber but all that went out the window because of the injuries to H and Benoit and WCW bombing.

                              Edit: I also believe there's an interview with Austin where he talks about the heel turn and I think he mentions how big Rock had gotten as one of the reasons he wanted to go heel. I could be remembering that wrong, I'll try to find it when I get home later.

                              Originally posted by TheShizNo1
                              Nah, not playing that game lol. Y'all couldn't give a viable answer outside of it be wrestling and/or **** happens. Your example of Hulk doesn't work because his act was beyond stale at the time. People calling for Cena to be heel because his act was stale. SCSA was still getting some of the biggest pops consistently at the time. It really wasn't necessary. Especially to align him with McMahon.

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                              Just because you don't agree with the answer doesn't make it not "viable." I just laid out the circumstances for you.



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                              • ProfessaPackMan
                                Bamma
                                • Mar 2008
                                • 63852

                                #6750
                                Re: WWE Network Discussion Thread

                                Originally posted by Rocky
                                Shenanigans are a part of pro wrestling especially during that era. It only made sense for it's biggest match to end like that.

                                I mean I guess it did in the sense that once Austin won the RR that year and Rock won the WWF Title back from Angle, that one of them "had" to turn, but my thing is why they chose that path in the first place? What would've happened if they both remained face afterwards is the appropriate question to ask here.

                                What was the benefit, not just for him, but for the rest of the company? I ask that because your if going to turn your top draw heel, then the reward has to be worth the risk, otherwise why sacrifice that just for shock value? I get that Austin himself wanted to do it, but this still should've been something they thought thru before executing it, especially if they knew that The Rock was going to be leaving for Hollywood for a few months, which I assumed they knew. And if they(WWF) did know at the time, then turning him makes even less sense, even if he wanted to do it.

                                The wild part is that the crowd still CHEERED him after he turned that night(I'm guessing with WM being in Texas, that probably didn't help).

                                Let's say Austin remains face after WM17, at that point, couldn't you easily restart that Austin/HHH feud again and pick up where they left off after No Way Out, where they're not only fighting for the belt but Austin is also getting his revenge for Triple H playing a role in taking him out(He already beat Rikishi, so it only made sense to go after the other accomplice)? You have that be you're top feud into the summer and then you also don't have to rush that WCW/ECW Invasion angle and basically just let that build up over time instead of it being rushed out and not living up to it's full potential(That's the one thing we can all agree on about that angle)

                                This pretty much sums up my thoughts on it:

                                Spoiler


                                I agree with DJ in that WWF(E)hasn't been the same since then. Obviously, there were other factors that played a role in it's decline, but that pretty much started the downward trend it went on for the next 5-6 years.
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