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  • BleacherBum2310
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    • Aug 2010
    • 7107

    #8671
    Re: WWE Network Discussion Thread

    Originally posted by reyes the roof
    They had an easy way out last month with Daniel Bryan and the strap match he could have won without having to pin Bray but then they went and made some goofy rules where you win a strap match via pin or submission. I don’t care that Goldberg is champ, but he looked terrible trying to jackhammer Bray. They haven’t put Goldberg in a position to succeed
    Yeah Roman/Bryan would've been fire. I don't see why they felt the need to put the belt on Bray he could've been cool as heck without the Belt. and could've avoided the Seth/Bray thing altogether.

    This has always been the concern with Bray. Despite all the cool looking videos he does and you can say the booking didn't help while that's true he's still so bad in the ring.
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    • mpklub
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      • Nov 2018
      • 540

      #8672
      Re: WWE Network Discussion Thread

      I don't really thinks fans were clamoring for Bray to be champion. They were excited about the character because they spent months building it up and made him interesting and unique. They had created a character with an aura that's hard to do. Ultimately they had the chance to make beating The Fiend something very special, but messed it up. Goldberg beating him reeks of late WCW. Bray didn't need the title so the downfall started when they put the belt on him.

      What's really insulting here is that it's all just a ploy to try and keep Reigns from being booed out of the building at Wrestlemania. I swear Vince was in the back saying "if we keep the title on Bray, they'll boo Roman. Maybe they won't boo if we put it on Goldberg." Quite frankly it's insulting as a fan. We see through your short term 50/50 booking. You have spent six years trying to cement Reigns as the top guy and have basically failed at it. It literally took him getting cancer to get him over as a babyface. Wrestling fans are fickle, but they aren't stupid.

      I have no words for this decision. It's just another example in a long line of poor decisions they've made over the last several years. I am not one who thinks you need to put the title on people when they get hot and hope it works out, but this just another example of taking an act that was over and wasting it. A couple years ago it was Strowman (who they absolutely should have put the title on) and blew it. They blew it with Rusev when he took off with his Rusev Day gimmick. Who knows what a long run with the US Title would have done for him if he had meaningful feuds. Before that there was a time when Cesaro was red hot. Before that the fans shamed them into pushing Daniel Bryan. Again, these guys don't all need to dive right into main event pushes. But when people get white hot on their own you've got to run with it to some extent and see what happens. Have them win mid card titles and book them strong for a period of time. If they hold up, try them in the main event. If they fail, so be it. But at least you gave them a legit shot.

      In the last 10 years the only stars this company has made were CM Punk and Daniel Bryan. And in both cases those guys had huge followings before they came to WWE. They've tried Roman, Seth, Bray, Dean, Braun. But time and time again they stick us with 50/50 booking and take guys who are red hot and do nothing with them. No wonder no one is over.

      I went back and watched the Triple H/Batista match from Wrestlemania 21. To me, that is an underrated match. And in addition to that, that whole feud developed organically. Batista just started to get over naturally. Randy Orton was supposed to be the guy in his role and it ultimately took another year or two to truly get to that level after his terrible babyface run in 2004 and early 2005. That combined with some booking that didn't have him (Batista) look like a dope and he just took off and he became a star. Theres no way this company could get a guy over like that now. They wouldn't let him.

      Adding to all this, in my opinion, is that most of their PPVs are gimmicks. Hell in a cell shouldn't be a match you book because it's October. It should be a match you book because the feud has taken off and done so well that it needs the HIAC gimmick to blow it off. HIAC is supposed to be the match to end all matches, but it isn't anymore. It's just "October". We don't need to have extreme rules matches because its April or May. These matches should be booked to align with the storylines on the show. TLC matches shouldn't be booked just because it's December. It makes no sense.

      Wrestling isn't rocket science, but it also requires a willingness to tell stories that make sense.

      This decision today just set me off because it wastes Wyatt's character and it's also insulting because it's a backdoor way to try and convince fans to cheer Roman Reigns, a guy who has been rejected for years.

      I won't say I am done with WWE, because I'm a glutton for punishment. But I won't be watching wrestlemania this year. I refuse to give them my money for it after today. And I will make an effort to see AEWs show this weekend instead.

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      • cquigley
        MVP
        • Sep 2009
        • 1803

        #8673
        Re: WWE Network Discussion Thread

        Sometimes I read posts in here and feel like some people don't get WWE isn't for them anymore. There's so much wrestling to take in nowadays that I don't get why so many people get as upset as they do.

        WWE isn't trying to get us to watch. They are trying to get those Fringe people to watch. Having old favorites come back gets viewers even when it's not the best.

        And stop complaining about Reigns. That's so played out at this point.

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        • J_Posse
          Greatness Personified
          • Jun 2005
          • 11255

          #8674
          Re: WWE Network Discussion Thread

          1) Vince thinks that part-timers & old timers have more "buzz" or "clout" to sell big shows like Wrestlemania. Even if it makes no absolute sense "burying" the current talent to push the old heads (ala WCW in the late 90's).

          2) Vince has given a lot of people opportunities to be a main event guy (or girl), but the company is stuck in a period similar to when Hogan left (IMO).

          3) People have been bitching about how Bray's in-ring work is still underwhelming, but having him lose to an old, gassed Goldberg was a questionable decision. They needed, apparently, a transitional champion in Goldberg instead going with a current guy.

          4) I think Drew & Roman will still go over at Wrestlemania, so I'll hold my vitriol for their booking decisions then.

          5) I really think the company desperately needs a megastar to bring a lot of this stop - start, halfhearted booking to an end. They need to find the next "big thing" or we will continue to see old timers emphasized over younger, better, hungry talent.

          The show was ok except for the two main title matches being short, pointless squashes.

          I again also have to say that the overall negative, cynical, fickle nature of the IWC, "journalists," Youtubers & dirty sheets also plays a part in our negative (or pessimistic) reception to everything the company does.

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          Last edited by J_Posse; 02-28-2020, 01:40 AM.
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          • SmashMan
            All Star
            • Dec 2004
            • 9756

            #8675
            Re: WWE Network Discussion Thread

            Originally posted by J_Posse
            3) People have been bitching about how Bray's in-ring work is still underwhelming, but having him lose to an old, gassed Goldberg was a questionable decision.
            Him being gassed was my only problem with it. They want to throw it on him for a month until Mania? Cool, whatever. But he wasn't even in condition to do a Goldberg match? Come on, man.

            Originally posted by J_Posse
            I again also have to say that the overall negative, cynical, fickle nature of the IWC, "journalists," Youtubers & dirty sheets also plays a part in our negative (or pessimistic) reception to everything the company does.
            It's why I cut that stuff out years ago and will always encourage people to do the same. You still see some because it's the internet, but I don't go looking for it. That's not to say everything should be positive, because holy **** we've sat through some terribly boring TV over the years and that should be called out, but negativity and outrage is addictive and a bunch of these outlets know they have to feed the beast to get their clicks.

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            • J_Posse
              Greatness Personified
              • Jun 2005
              • 11255

              #8676
              Re: WWE Network Discussion Thread

              Originally posted by SmashMan
              Him being gassed was my only problem with it. They want to throw it on him for a month until Mania? Cool, whatever. But he wasn't even in condition to do a Goldberg match? Come on, man.



              It's why I cut that stuff out years ago and will always encourage people to do the same. You still see some because it's the internet, but I don't go looking for it. That's not to say everything should be positive, because holy **** we've sat through some terribly boring TV over the years and that should be called out, but negativity and outrage is addictive and a bunch of these outlets know they have to feed the beast to get their clicks.
              I agree on both points. It was cool for buzz and nostalgia to see Goldberg as champion a few years ago, although at the expense of Owens/Jericho not so much, but this is a weird turn to make.

              They do a good job of building angles/characters over a long span of time just to kill them for a nostalgia pop for Goldberg? It is an example of Vince's short-sighted booking and inability to get behind his current guys.

              Yeah, I've had to "unsubscribe" to two YouTube channels because the negativity, complaining and bias (more recently) has gotten out of hand.

              We all know Vince isn't a good long-term booker, loves the cheap, lazy nostalgia pop (at the expense of current roster or storylines) & will change his mind at a moments notice. I just look for the good aspects (Kofi last year, Drew this year, Noami two or three years ago, etc.) realizing he'll **** a lot up.

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              • J_Posse
                Greatness Personified
                • Jun 2005
                • 11255

                #8677
                Re: WWE Network Discussion Thread

                My bad, I double posted by accident......
                Last edited by J_Posse; 02-28-2020, 10:57 AM. Reason: Double Post
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                • UFCMPunk
                  All Star
                  • Jan 2016
                  • 8915

                  #8678
                  Re: WWE Network Discussion Thread

                  First Episode of RA Documentary: Talks how after Rock and Austin left, they NEEDED to create new stars.

                  WWE in 2020: Who needs new stars when you can bring back legends!

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                  • dubcity
                    Hall Of Fame
                    • May 2012
                    • 17876

                    #8679
                    Re: WWE Network Discussion Thread


                    Hello, pop

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                    • Majingir
                      Moderator
                      • Apr 2005
                      • 47684

                      #8680
                      Re: WWE Network Discussion Thread

                      Originally posted by UFCMPunk
                      First Episode of RA Documentary: Talks how after Rock and Austin left, they NEEDED to create new stars.

                      WWE in 2020: Who needs new stars when you can bring back legends!
                      Even the Cena debut. Goes up against Angle, then gets the stamp of approval by the wwe champ Undertaker in a backstage segment.

                      How often do you see them build up stars like that today? Batista wasn't anything special before Evolution, but obviously joining a stable helped make his career.

                      Similar with Orton too. Joining evolution, breaking off, and later becoming the legend killer.


                      Competing in 15 minute matches every single show with no character development or reason to care about you isnt helping anyone.

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                      • jvalverde88
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                        • Jun 2008
                        • 11787

                        #8681
                        Re: WWE Network Discussion Thread

                        Originally posted by redsox4evur
                        When has a long (10 mins+) Goldberg singles match ever been good? The man has always put on great short sprint matches. Two of his best matches ever (vs Brock at WM 33 and vs Raven on 4/20/98 Nitro) were under 5 minutes. The one vs Raven was 4:57 and the one with Brock was 4:45.
                        Goldberg vs DDP Halloween Havoc 1998, which is by far Goldberg's best match.
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                        • cquigley
                          MVP
                          • Sep 2009
                          • 1803

                          #8682
                          Re: WWE Network Discussion Thread

                          Originally posted by Majingir
                          Competing in 15 minute matches every single show with no character development or reason to care about you isnt helping anyone.
                          This right here honestly. Like the dude that's with Zelina while Andrade was out. Who is he? Why should I randomly care about him. I don't get to watch all the programming every week so I miss some of these NXT people that randomly show up.

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                          • Mercury112491
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                            • Mar 2007
                            • 7426

                            #8683
                            Re: WWE Network Discussion Thread

                            Originally posted by jvalverde88
                            Goldberg vs DDP Halloween Havoc 1998, which is by far Goldberg's best match.


                            Everything about that match was great. That’s really a rivalry we should have gotten more of. Have DDP unable to beat Goldberg which forces a heel turn to get help. Would have been such a great story with a guy Goldberg actually had real chemistry with.


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                            • PeoplesChampGB
                              All Star
                              • May 2012
                              • 6005

                              #8684
                              Re: WWE Network Discussion Thread

                              Originally posted by redsox4evur
                              When has a long (10 mins+) Goldberg singles match ever been good? The man has always put on great short sprint matches. Two of his best matches ever (vs Brock at WM 33 and vs Raven on 4/20/98 Nitro) were under 5 minutes. The one vs Raven was 4:57 and the one with Brock was 4:45.
                              "I'd like to call DDP/Goldberg Halloween Havoc '98 to the stand."

                              But yeah, that's the only one.
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                              • reyes the roof
                                Hall Of Fame
                                • Mar 2009
                                • 11526

                                #8685
                                Re: WWE Network Discussion Thread

                                Originally posted by Mercury112491
                                Everything about that match was great. That’s really a rivalry we should have gotten more of. Have DDP unable to beat Goldberg which forces a heel turn to get help. Would have been such a great story with a guy Goldberg actually had real chemistry with.


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                                That was an awesome match, although you need someone like DDP to get that out of Goldberg because he meticulously scripted his matches. You would think WWE, Would be able to pull something like that off today since they rely more on going over things ahead of time and less on just calling it in the ring.

                                Of course in true WCW fashion even when the get things right they mess things up and they went off air before the match ended since they ran out of time. I believe the next night was the last time Nitro ever beat Raw in the ratings

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